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Tangled Web  by daw the minstrel 28 Review(s)
KarriReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/5/2004
A very exciting chapter. I liked Sinnarn's perspective.

Author Reply: I had to really stop and think when I wrote about Sinnarn. He had had years to mature since I last wrote about him and I wanted him to be like Eilian but also have that complicated by the overlay of Ithilden's and Alfirin's influence. I'm glad you liked him.

lwarrenReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/2/2004
Yes!!! A new story - hallelujah! But, ewwww, more spiders! Yuck! You do such a good job of describing the hunt for the nasty things and their nests that I was checking the floor and the walls and under the desk while reading it! *shudder* This promises to be an interesting (and long, I hope *vbg*) story. I hope Ithilden lets the Council have it if they pull that, ahem, STUFF like they've done in the past with Thranduil. I know he (Ithilden) still believes in them...I'm afraid he's going to be bitterly let down - but I hope he lets them have it before he leaves! :)

I love Celuwen! I remember when Thranduil appointed her as an advisor and I thought what a smart choice he'd made since she was so knowledgeable about the seems she's learned quite alot in passing years! lol You go, girl! He certainly needs to hear what she has to say, and I love it she's not too intimidated to say it. She and Ithilden seem to have adjusted well to working together - and have mutual backup from each other, too!

Legolas has very much become a mature warrior (*sniff* I'll miss the elfling, tho') and is seeming more and more like the Legolas we know and love of the Fellowship. It's good to see Annael again (poor besieged father of a courted daughter that he is *g*) and Sinnarn! Well! He's grown up, hasn't he? I would dearly love for him and Legolas to know something besides Shadow, at least sometime in their lives, bless them! It must drag and gnaw at them constantly. And dear Elien - he hasn't changed a bit!;)

Read in some other reviews that this action precedes the Battle of the Five Armies and frankly, my dear daw, you cannot update too often! (Don't you just love your demanding readers? lol ...I think we're a little spoiled!) Thanks for a new story and a great beginning!


Author Reply: The spider stuff is kind of creepy. I keep rubbing my arms to make sure there aren't any there. Of course, if there were giant ones around, I'd probably notice.

Thranduil believes in the strength that comes from a family working together and that's what he's getting in Celuwen and Ithilden. Of course, he might not have exactly planned on the strength they get from working with one another!

Legolas is very close now to Legolas of the Fellowship. He just has a few more things to do and what goes on in this story is part of that.

Hope you continue to like it!

JebbReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/2/2004
Have been away and come back to the pleasure of not one but two stories and this one already fires the imagination I like Legolas' thoughts on Beliond it sums up theirrealtionship very well
Also Ithilden and Celuwyn working in tandem against Thranduil to get what they think is needed only for the king to be one step ahead as usual and agree to his heri going to the council I am getting a bad feeling about that journeyalready
lovely to see a new story to look forward to thank you for sharing your writing

Author Reply: You have to be pretty sharp to fool Thranduil. And rightly so. He's experienced and wise. But he may also be bound by memories that no longer apply. It's fun to think about what might have happened at the White Council meeting. I have plans both for the folks away from home and the ones who stay there.

Estel_Mi_OlorReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/1/2004
Another fic, yay! This plot sounds very intriguing... I am very curious to at least read a hint of the danger that is supposed to be growing while Legolas is on Patrol. Something is going to happen, how exciting. I am glad you (finally) wrote a fic with the White Council as your setting. You've already explored most everything before the beginning of LOTR, except the Council. Now that should be interesting...Good thing Ithilden is going though. I can imagine Mithrandir rolling his eyes in exasperation at Thranduil's obstinacy. I do believe he would tax even Galadriel's diplomacy. I wasn't aware that Sinnarn had a lady friend, how sweet! Poor Annael! But he'll accept it soon. I believe it was Eilian himself who put the black squirrel meat in Maltanuar's plate. Trust him to think of something to keep everybody amused. This fic has started out very nicely, and I can't wait to find out what happens next!

Author Reply: Glad you liked it, Estel. The White Council is an interesting body. I'm glad to be writing about them too. I don't think anyone would accuse Thranduil of being a diplomat! You are sure right about that.

tigerlily713Reviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/1/2004
Oh my. Is Sinnarn really old enough to be courting? Wow. I am very eager to read more of this story! Lily

Author Reply: It is hard to believe, isn't it? I think I need to go back and write about him as an elfling again. He was a lot of fun.

Glad you like the chapter, Lily.

DuchessReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/1/2004
LOL Sinnarn is sweet on Emmelin? Poor Annael! *giggling*

I'm glad to see Celuwen is fitting in so well, in the family and among the advisors of the King. *vbg* Very nice! :)

Author Reply: Poor Annael, indeed. On the other hand, when you think about it, there's something sort of nice about thinking that Annael's daughter will be married to Ithilden's heir, and that Ithilden is himself the heir to the throne. Of course that means less to Elves who don't expect to die, but in a time of war, you never know.

EsamenReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/1/2004
Ithilden had been skeptical when Thranduil first appointed Celuwen to serve as his adviser on matters having to do with the small Elven settlements scattered through the woods, but he had found that he enjoyed having her at these meetings because he knew they shared a mutual understanding of the king. And then he could talk to her afterwards about what had happened in a way he never would have done with someone not in the family.

This is great. So insightful . . . Thranduil could have had others counsel him about the settlements, but only someone in his immediate family could give Ithilden this kind of support. What a great new vector for new kinds of insights, dialogues, and plots! I can't wait to see what Celuwen does in the king's council! She's becoming my favorite character . . . after Legolas . . . and Elian . . . and Thranduil . . . and Ithiden . . . thanks for the OC list; it was good to get everybody straightened out. Someday you should do a flow chart, and maybe a map . . . an Appendix, I guess. You'll have three volumes before you're done!

Author Reply: LOL. I'll leave the appendixes to Tolkien.

I'm sitting here looking at your very interesting speculations about what could be made of Celuwen's presence as one of Thranduil's advisers and I'm only hoping I can work it in. I'm working on the second chapter and this story is already starting to spin out of control. Ack! Ack! Ack!

The KarenatorReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/1/2004
Forgive me for being so slow on the reviews. Graduation of eldest son--I'm so proud.

Speaking of proud.... As I read, I was struck by how much Legolas has grown up. You have written him with the 'feel' or 'air' of a Legolas we could see going with the Fellowship. He remains Legolas, but he's a full adult now. I have to admit, I sort of mourn the loss of the teenager. I'm one of the few people in the world who actually likes these creatures of The Black Bog of Hormone Woods.

The prospect of Ithilden going to the White Council explains a lot. Why Thranduil was at the Battle of the Five Armies? I'm not sure that part was not an oversight on Tolkien's part when he didn't explain Thranduil's apparent absence, but then the good professor never had any idea that 50 years later people would be combing his work with a fine-toothed comb looking for where everyone was and what they were doing. Also the Elves of Mirkwood were more or less a footnote for him, I think. I don't think he spent much time on them after the Hobbit. They weren't necessary to advance his story...except to provide Legolas, of course. I really like your take that Ithilden went instead.

Love that Celuwen! Respectful, but fearless when approaching the king. Say what ya mean, girl. Every good ruler has trusted advisors who tell them the truth even when they don't want to hear it. I note that Thranduil's advisors pretty much leave that up to his son and daughter-in-law. Chickens!

Another point of the chapter I liked was the look into Sinnarn inner thoughts. His world view is different than the older generation of his relatives. He's never lived in a Mirkwood free of Shadow. Well, neither has Legolas. Still, they have different approaches to how they should react. Sinnarn has less hope for a solution and seems to only look to survival, while Legolas still nurtures a hope that it can be defeated.

Well, done, daw. A good set up for the show. I'm ready when you are. :>) Karen

Author Reply: Congratulations on your son's graduation, Karen! What a big moment. Is he going away in the fall? You might need to share some sympathetic moments with Thranduil.

It turns out to be very hard to reconcile parts of The Hobbit with LOTR. We'll see how I do!

Sinnarn surprised me when I went to write about him. I knew he had had years to grow up since I last wrote about him, and that he was like Eilian but of course not exactly like him. He had the influence of Ithilden, who is shrewd and also more open to new things than Thranduil is, and also of Alfirin, who is gentle and home loving. His father saw to it that he was able to be young for as long as he could but placing him in less demanding positions than he had to do with Eilian or even Legolas. So when I combined all that, it struck me that he might be seeing events "realistically," ie pessimistically. And if he's also falling in love, his need to protect those at home would be strong. Poor guy.

MollyReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/31/2004
I was thrilled to come back home from out of town to see a new story. I'm eager to see your take on the Battle of Five Armies. I was just rereading The Hobbit the other day and Tolkien said hardly anyone came out of the battle unscathed, so it will be interesting to see how the Elves cope. I had to laugh when I saw Sinnarn was courting Emmelin. In my head I've often imagined them married! It will be fun to see more of both of them, and I was glad to see Annael. I enjoy his friendship with Legolas a lot.

Author Reply: Isn't "The Hobbit" funny? I reread it last year and was surprised by how funny it was. I had forgotten that. And my favorite line is where Bilbo gets to Rivendell and says something like "Hm. Smells like elves." I wonder what elves smell like?

If you have imagined Sinnarn and Emmelin married, then you must have prophetic dreams like Thranduil does sometimes. :-)

Glad you liked the chapter.

nessieReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/31/2004
Yes! Finally, the story that includes the Battle of the Five Armies! Or at least I think it does... Ah, so Sinnarn is getting serious with the daughter of his uncle's best friend? How sweet! And now Tonduil's getting married! Everybody's getting married except Legolas! And possibly Gelmir, I don't know what he's been doing lately. But anyhoo! I'm glad you posted this so quickly! Well, I think it's quick because some authors usually post another story months and months after they've finished one. I wonder how Ithilden will do at the White Council? I'm mad at Saruman for just telling Thranduil about the meeting a week before it happens. He deserves to get stabbed in the eye, the traitor. But yay! Mithrandir is on the Wood-elves side! And I'm assuming Radagast is too, but he's not as important as Gandalf. Well anyhoo, loved this so far and update asap!


Author Reply: You made me laugh about Gelmir, Nessie. I'm not sure what he's been doing lately either, except tormenting Maltanaur.

Saruman is indeed a traitor, a lying, sneaky one too. But Mithrandir is, as always, the best. I'm afraid I see Radagast as a little flakey, but at least he's good hearted.

I'm glad you like the story. I'm working on the next chapter now.

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