bladwedd
· 18 January 2011
· Chapter 40: The Prince Returns
"A careful reading of the Silmarillion shows that Ñolfinwë was not ambitious to be king, and had no intention originally to leave Aman, but was persuaded to do so because "greater love as given to Fingolfin and his sons, and his household and the most part of the dweller of Tirion refused to renounce him, if he would go with them". That 'if' is the deciding word here. Of course, in the end, he did become king but that was not why he originally left Aman. He became king because of circumstances unforeseen by any of them."
The name Fingolfin itself speaks to the ambition of Finwë's second son.
"Fingolfin had prefixed the name Finwë to Nolofinwë before the Exiles reached Middle-earth. This was in pursuance of his claim to be the chieftain of all the Noldor after the death of Finwë, and so enraged Fëanor that it was no doubt one of the reasons for his treachery in abandoning Fingolfin and the stealing away with all the ships. "The shibboleth of feanor"
Fingolfin was "acting king" of the Noldor in Tirion while Feanor was exiled, and Finwe joined Feanor in exile.Íå had prefixed the name Ingoldo Finwë.
"By this name he also became generally
known; though after the rule of the Noldor was committed to
him by Manwe (in the place of his elder brother and his father)
he took the name of Finwe, and was in fact usually called
Ingoldo-finwe.
The History of Middle-earth», Volume X, «The Later Quenta Silmarillion», p.230"
A careful reading of the "Quenta Silmarillion" and "Shibboleth..." and "In Darkness Bound" shows that Ñolofinwë was ambitious to be king.
No doubt Indis, vanyar of siblings and Valar would prefer to have Nolofinwë in the High King's seat.
"Now that Ñolofinwë is asking Atto for advice, though, I think his confidence is growing. I have no doubt that he will prove a better ruler than Fëanáro could ever be, perhaps even better than Finwë."
Thanks for reading.
Author's reply
Thanks for your input, Bladwedd. However, I am afraid I must object to you lumping my story with Tolkien's in terms of your interpretation of Ñolofinwë's motives. And quite frankly, what you quote is of the future. Finwë at this point in my story is still very much alive and Ñolofinwë has no reason to think of himself as king in his father's place or suspect that at the end of the exile period he won't step down as Regent. Yes, certainly afterwards in the power struggle between Fëanáro and Ñolofinwë as they make their way to Middle-earth, that may have been the case, but not here and not now. Stick with what is being presented here and do not concern yourself with what may or may not happen in the future. Ñolofinwë, indeed all the Noldor, are not the major characters in my story. My focus is on the Vanyar and their reactions to all that is happening because of the Noldor. Even Findaráto is not a major character though he is the most visible of the Noldor as he interacts most with Ingwion and the others, but still, he is not the focus of the story. None of the Noldor are. Just try to keep that in mind as you are reading this.
ellie
· 17 January 2011
· Chapter 40: The Prince Returns
The close realtionship between Ingwion and Finrod is so good to see and the growth and maturity of these two throughout the story is so wonderfully portrayed. We can see Finrod growing into the position he will one day have as king of Nargothrond. Speaking from the vantage point of someone who is way ahead of everyone else in the game, it makes the future all the more tragic to consider for all of these characters.
Fingolfin is struggling with the kingship now but he holds it in such confidence and strength of character when he goes to Middle-earth. I wonder if Fingolfin will suffer from boredom and lack of purpose once he is reborn just as the former king of Nargothrond did when he came back to Tirion. There's another story for you to write, as if you don't have enough stewing on the back burner. At this rate you are going to need a bigger kitchen to accomodate all of the plot bunnies roasting on open fires and in bunny stews and bunny souffles and whatnot. LOL!
Author's reply
Hi Ellie. I'm glad you like the relationship between Finrod and Ingwion, a relationship that we see somewhat in Elf, Interrupted. And yes, knowing what is to come does make the future more tragic, but (at least in my universe) we know it ends well enough for them both. *grin*
Please! I need another plot bunny like I need more snow! *LOL* At any rate, it would be an interesting topic to write about and how does Arafinwë relate to his older brother acting like a 20-year-old elfling? The mind boggles.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate you doing so, considering how busy I know you are.
bladwedd
· 17 January 2011
· Chapter 40: The Prince Returns
That was very good.I enjoyed reading it.
Nolofinwe is a ambitious of intriguant, really. Íe will be king.
Author's reply
Thanks Bladwedd. I'm glad you are enjoying this and I appreciate you letting me know. A careful reading of the Silmarillion shows that Ñolfinwë was not ambitious to be king, and had no intention originally to leave Aman, but was persuaded to do so because "greater love as given to Fingolfin and his sons, and his household and the most part of the dweller of Tirion refused to renounce him, if he would go with them". That 'if' is the deciding word here. Of course, in the end, he did become king but that was not why he originally left Aman. He became king because of circumstances unforeseen by any of them.
Thanks for reading and reviewing.
Larner
· 17 January 2011
· Chapter 40: The Prince Returns
I find the growing companionship between Ingil and Ingoldo disturbs me, also. What plan is Ingoldo hatching through the younger twin?
Author's reply
It is indeed disturbing, Larner, given what we know of Ingoldo. How their relationship works out and what Ingoldo has planned will eventually be revealed. Thanks for reading and reviewing.
6336
· 17 January 2011
· Chapter 40: The Prince Returns
I think I would be a little concerned with Ingil spending time with Ingoldo, not a good thing at all. Finderato having a little presecent(sp?) moment pehaps?
Hm, don't like the idea of Morcocano going to Formanos, Nolofinwe would have done better to exile him to one of the southern fiefs, he could have worked his temper off shoveling out stables.
So now Finderato has to figure out why he is back in Tirion, going over the inventories for the butteries would be a good start!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. I'm sure many readers are concerned about the amount of time Ingil is spending with Ingoldo, but not all of it is bad as we will see. Still, there is trouble brewing as we know and how Ingoldo fits into it remains to be seen. Ñolofinwë probably never considered the Southern Fiefdoms simply because there is no way to ensure that Morcocáno would even stay there. Sending him to Formenos was the only 'safe' place he could think to put the troublemaker.
As for Findaráto... what he ends up doing remains to be seen.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Sunny
· 17 January 2011
· Chapter 40: The Prince Returns
So Morcocáno has been given a new career opportunity - to tend sheep around Formenos. Somehow I can't see him being grateful for the opportunity...
Nolofinwë's firm stomping on this attack should send the appropriate message to any seeking to foment discontent. Hopefully things will settle down some. And Manwë's message to Nolofinwë should also bolster his self-confidence
I wonder what Ingoldo is up to? Nothing good, I am sure. Well - we actually know the general idea - he wants Ingwë's job, and is plotting to get it. But the _hows are bound to be interesting.
Author's reply
Hi Sunny. Somehow I don't see Morcocáno being grateful either and we all know what he was like in EI. *LOL* Hopefully, now that Ñolofinwë has decided to act more firmly, things will settle down in Tirion. As for Ingoldo... only time will tell. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate you doing so very much.
Larner
· 15 January 2011
· Chapter 39: At the Court of Tirion
Excellent to see the issue brought out and dealt with. And why am I not surprised to learn that Morocano is a troublemaker even at this time in the history of Aman?
Author's reply
Hi Larner. I'm glad you found the way the issue was addresed. Ñolofinwë has the makings of a good (if not great) king; he just needs a bit more confidence. And as for Morocáno... well, he's the sort that just naturally lets his emotions rule him so he ends up causing more trouble for himself and unfortunately he doesn't quite learn his lesson over all those yéni until we meet him again in EI. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate you doing so very much.
Tari
· 14 January 2011
· Chapter 36: Fateful Decisions
Sending Ingoldo off to tend sheep an idle fancy. not to me it isn’t. I rather like the idea and he can take his equally nasty wife with him. Picturing her as a shepardess warms my heart.
I’m glad Manwe changed the subject. Namo’s pronouncement spooked me. I certainly hope nothing tragic happens to the twins.
Author's reply
And of course, about a millennium later, that's just what Ingwë does -- sends Ingoldo and Tinwetariel to Formenos to tend sheep. *grin*
Námo's pronoucements are always spooky. As to what may happen to the twins, only time will tell.
Thanks for reading and reviewing, Tari. I really appreciate it.
Aiwen
· 14 January 2011
· Chapter 39: At the Court of Tirion
I burst out laughing at the last sentence. Nicely ended.
Author's reply
Glad you liked it, Aiwen. Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it very much.
6336
· 14 January 2011
· Chapter 39: At the Court of Tirion
What is it with Finderato and food and when did he come back to Tirion, last I heard he was still in Valmar?!
I would be very concerned with elflings acting out on their parents predudices and attacking another elfling, "Cause Atto said they were bad!".
I see Morcocano is causing problems already, I hope Nolofinwe has the sense not to banish him to Formanos, he is the last person the Valar need there! He does not improve with age does he?!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. I guess Findaráto just likes to eat. *LOL* And yes, Morcocáno is causing trouble even this early in his career. What happens to him will be revealed in the next chapter. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I greatly appreciate it. Hugs back.
Sunny
· 14 January 2011
· Chapter 39: At the Court of Tirion
I hope that using Ingwion as go-between for advice from Ingwë will be of some use, at least. I suspect both Nolofinwë and Arafinwë are feeling rather out of their depth, and having a source of unbiased support and advice will hopefully steady them a bit.
I see that Morcocáno's personality is as pleasant and sunny now as it will be when we see him in EI. But at least Sador is able to get along with him then. ;-)
Findaráto certainly has the art of making an entrance down pat! And his little quip was just perfect! (And just what _is_ for dinner?) ;-)
Author's reply
Hi Sunny. I'm sure Ingwion as a go-between will prove very useful. And Morcocáno's personality is pretty much the same as when we first meet him in EI. Some people just never learn, I guess.
Glad you liked Findaráto's entrance and his little quip. Unfortunately, I have no idea what is for dinner, but I imagine it's something very delicious if Elves are making it. *grin*
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate you taking the time to do very much.
bladwedd
· 12 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
"Only when one reads this story in "Unfinished Tales" does the significance of Galadriel giving Gimli three strands of her hair (for the three times Fëanáro accosted her asking for her tresses) when he had asked for only a single strand becomes apparent."
Larner
"That she gave a Dwarf a gift she'd denied to her gifted cousin I always saw as significant, for she saw no guile in Gimli as she appears to have discerned in her uncle. Glad they recognize her gift in the sifting of hearts--a most useful talent indeed."
She has at last overcome the darkness in her own soul.... after 10 000 years *grin*
Feanor was dead. *grin*
Author's reply
Exactly.
bladwedd
· 12 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
Sitara
"Well, is not like I'm able to help myself, even when I'm doubling over with pain. "grimace" But because we've been introduced to a certain "Lady of the Light"...All is well and nice about her "gift" to see inside the hearts of others, except when it comes about her utter inability to see inside her own heart. I cannot remember the quote but I'm sure it'd be easily enough to find in the same paragraph from "Unfinished tales". So, how I'm going to trust her to see the speck in others' eye when she couldn't see the log in her own? Furthermore, it seems that she could see only Fëanáro's darkness and not any other's, since she was withdrawing her "kindness" only from him and showered everyone else with said "kindness"."
From her earliest years she had a marvellous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her goodwill from none save only Fëanor. In him she perceived a darkness that she hated and feared, though she did not perceive that the shadow of the same evil had fallen upon the minds of all the Noldor, and upon her own.
Author's reply
And this is what needs to be remembered. Projecting 7000 years into the future to who she becomes does a disservice to the character as she is at this particular moment. And not only the Noldor, but some of the Vanyar, as we will see as this story progresses.
Larner
· 11 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
That she gave a Dwarf a gift she'd denied to her gifted cousin I always saw as significant, for she saw no guile in Gimli as she appears to have discerned in her uncle. Glad they recognize her gift in the sifting of hearts--a most useful talent indeed.
Author's reply
I think you are correct, Larner. Thanks for point this out. And being able to sift hearts is a very useful talent indeed. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Sitara
· 11 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
Well, is not like I'm able to help myself, even when I'm doubling over with pain. "grimace" But because we've been introduced to a certain "Lady of the Light"...All is well and nice about her "gift" to see inside the hearts of others, except when it comes about her utter inability to see inside her own heart. I cannot remember the quote but I'm sure it'd be easily enough to find in the same paragraph from "Unfinished tales". So, how I'm going to trust her to see the speck in others' eye when she couldn't see the log in her own? Furthermore, it seems that she could see only Fëanáro's darkness and not any other's, since she was withdrawing her "kindness" only from him and showered everyone else with said "kindness".
As for I can see when Nerwen Artanis Galadriel is concerned...quite simple, actually. Envy. And hunger for power. "counting on her fingers" Melian's lore. Her cozy spot in Doriath. Lothlorien. Celebrimbor's Nenya. "chuckle" Sauron's Ring. It starts to become a pattern, by now. Not to mention the funniest thing of all: The lady of the Light, who neved coveted those accursed Silmarils, which encased the last remnant of the Light of the Trees, was dying to get her hands of an object of pure Darkness: the Ring of Sauron. And, before talking about her heroic deed of overcoming the temptation, I'd like her to answer me a simple question: Whatever would make her believe that she, an Elda could master and use a Ring that was infamous for recognizing only one master, namely Sauron? Meaning, that her power as an Elda would be greater than a Maia's one and she wouldn't have ended up as another Ringwraith? Well, her "sacrifice" (She sacrificed what she didn't possess in the first place) did contain a healthy dose of self-preservation.
And all this, because of what? Because of one thing, in my opinion. The mightiest of the Eruhini, does that ring any bells, sweet maiden? "grin"
As for her hair...if I recall correctly, she did tell Gimli in FotR that nobody ever asked such a favor of her. Even for the likes of her, Fëanáro would hardly count as "nobody". Mightiest of the Eruhini, remember? "grin" So I would take that paragraph from HoME with at least an ounce of salt.
And, really, it's one thing to leave Aman out of grief and an entirely different thing to do it out of greed, isn't it, Nerwen Artanis?
Author's reply
Hi, Sitara. I think you are missing the entire point. It really does not matter what Galadrield will or will not do some 7,000 years from now or even a few years from now (in relation to this story). What matters in this chapter is what she is doing at this particular point in time, and why she is doing it and why she feels the way she does, remembering that at this moment she is a young (by elven standards) Elf-maiden living in the bliss of Valinor under the Light of the Two Trees and her uncle's relationship with her disturbs her on some level. All the sorrow and pain that will come soon enough does not even enter into her imagination.
Perhaps you should try to simply take the story at face value and enjoy it for its own sake instead of projecting onto it your own prejudices. And if you feel so strongly about this, you might consider writing your own version of these events to share with others.
Thanks for reading and reviewing.
Tari
· 10 January 2011
· Chapter 35: Family Disputes
It's about time Intarion stood up to his father. Good for him. It's always hard to understand how a parent can treat their child this way, or worse yet, disown them.
Sibling rivalry is nothing new, but the twins seem more than able to work out thier diferrences. It will be interesting to see which one accepts their father's offer, and how the decision was made.
Author's reply
Hi Tari. Marrying Lirulin has given Intarion an incentive to stand up to his father. *grin*
We will see how the twins decide who will go to Tirion and who will stay in the next chapter. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it very much.
bladwedd
· 10 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
10000 years.
Author's reply
Which is nothing to one who will live for far longer than that until the end of Arda. *grin*
6336
· 10 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
Getting setteled in and touring Tirion, all the sorts of things an ambassador should do. I think they are wise to not allow anybody to wander about without an escort, Ingwion especially.
So, both Feanaro and Gimli had a thing for Galadrials hair, Gimli because he thought she was the most beautiful woman he had ever seen, Feanaro I am not so sure of, he just wanted her hair, maybe for another Silmarill, or was his interest in her other than cousinly?
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. Apparently Fëanáro's desire for Galadriel's tresses was induced by the fact that her hair is described as being both silver and gold, as if the light of the Two Trees had been caught in them. He wanted to capture that light and tried to get Galadriel to give him her tresses. She refuses, saying she would not give him even one strand of her hair. Only when one reads this story in "Unfinished Tales" does the significance of Galadriel giving Gimli three strands of her hair (for the three times Fëanáro accosted her asking for her tresses) when he had asked for only a single strand becomes apparent.
Anyway, thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it.
bladwedd
· 10 January 2011
· Chapter 38: First Impressions
"I never liked mine uncle. There is something about him that makes me wary. I have the gift of reading other people’s hearts and his... his is less than pure."
Artanis... Darkness in her own soul.
Reader...
” ...She has at last overcome the darkness in her own soul." From Unfinished Tales, pp 230-231
Author's reply
Thanks for the reference from Unfinished Tales, Bladwedd. Whether her darkness came from within herself or from without, we know that she overcame it in the end and that is all that matters.
Larner
· 7 January 2011
· Chapter 37: The Ingaran’s Ambassador
Well, the embassy is now established. May good come of it.
Author's reply
As for that, Larner, only time will tell. Thanks for reading and reviewing.
Larner
· 7 January 2011
· Chapter 36: Fateful Decisions
That he feels Ingil or even Ingoldo would be better to go is disturbing, somehow. Of course we know that not all survive....
Author's reply
And the reason Námo thinks so will become clearer in time, Larner. And yes, we know that not all survive. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate you taking the time to do so very much.
Larner
· 7 January 2011
· Chapter 35: Family Disputes
Poor Ingalaure has some confidence to gain! At least this separation of duties may not be seen as a competition.
Author's reply
Absolutely, Larner. Hopefully this time of separate will prove beneficial for both twins. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I greatly appreciate it.
6336
· 7 January 2011
· Chapter 37: The Ingaran’s Ambassador
Oh dear, a somewhat less than enthusiastic welcome from Nolofinwe, understadable I suppose, but still a little disapointing. I think Finwe should have left Indis in charge, she would have sorted out Feanaro's supporters very quickly! Behave or get thee hence, Formanos is in that direction and don't let the city gates hit you in the back as you leave!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. I sure Finwë tried to get Indis to be regent but she refused, believing her eldest son deserved to shine. I'm sure, though, had she been left in charge things would have gone exactly as you describe. *grin*
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Tari
· 5 January 2011
· Chapter 34: Darkness Rising
As to who caused the unrest, my vote goes to Ingoldo. Time will tell.
Atar will work everthing out according to his plan as we all know. He only wants the best for everyone.
Author's reply
Hi Tari. Maybe it's Ingoldo, or maybe others. We may never truly know. But you are right about Atar. He works everything out according to His plan and always for the best and that is a very comforting thought in troubling times. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it. Happy New Year!
6336
· 3 January 2011
· Chapter 36: Fateful Decisions
I suppose it should have been expected, that Ingoldo would have wanted to keep his finger in the pie when he has pulled out of the meal. Ingoldo in Tirion, not a good idea.
I hope Ingwion and Ingalure are happy with their descions, I still think they should trade off, 1 year on the Privy Council and 1 year in Tirion.
Happy Birthday Proffessor!
Happy New Year!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. We will see how the twins deal with their new responsibilties. Trading off though is just what they don't want to do, especially Ingwion, who does not enjoy sitting on the Privy Council. But whether this arrangement will be any better for them both remains to be seen.
Happy Birthday, indeed, to the Professor and Happy New Year to you. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.