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In His Wisdom  by Gwynhyffar 19 Review(s)
BodkinReviewed Chapter: 2 on 8/8/2006
Thranduil's right in some ways. But then, so is Oropher - and he has a greater experience of the world beyond the wood. It's probably a good thing that the pair of them can debate the subject.

Oropher did a good job managing the council!

But seeing Thranduil looking back on it ... outcomes obviously influenced his thoughts on the LAoMaE. He was unlikely to make the same choice at the end of the Third Age even if matters had been different - but war came to him and the forest anyway.



Author Reply: Oropher knows his people and how to get what he wants and needs from them without seeming too overbearing.

Thranduil can argue with Oropher, but in the end Oropher has the final say no matter what Thranduil thinks and he has to try to support that decision. I think the events at the end of the 2nd Age would have left him better prepared for the events at the end of the 3rd Age.

NilmandraReviewed Chapter: 2 on 8/7/2006
Knowing Oropher's fate only heightens the tension of his arguments with Thranduil and his proclaimation about the Greenwood! How hard it must be for Thranduil to remember this conflict with his own father, much less tell it to his own son. In some ways he will be prophetic, I'm sure, and in others it is almost self-fulfilling, between his fears and knowing his father's impetuousness.

Legolas may learn more than he ever thought.

Author Reply: I think Thranduil would look back on it all with some anger mixed with... well, all those other emotions that spring up from having survived something so horrific when others that you really care for didn't. The conflict beforehand just makes it that much worse.

There are some things that you can try to tell someone, but even if you are eloquent enough to describe those things, I'm not sure anyone can ever really understand without having been there. I would imagine Legolas gets a taste of it later, though.

daw the minstrelReviewed Chapter: 2 on 8/6/2006
Nicely done argument, Gwyn. The wood-elves must have been unfamiliar with this type of warfare. They'd have a hard time imagining a land not filled with trees. And yet, the Alliance did need them. A true dilemma.

Author Reply: Thanks, Daw. I think the wood-elves don't really know what they're getting into. They have an idea that things will be different, but they really have no concept of the 'battle plain' that they are going to end up on. Oropher is one of the exceptions to that, but even though he has an idea of what they may be facing, he also knows that they don't have many options.

RedheredhReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/9/2006
Well,I am thrilled that you have started a tale of these times. It is going to be another interesting and alos touching story, I am sure. You make this characters a vey engaging family to follow and portray Oropher as an elf with depth as well as height and breath. Those depths just seem a little murky to those around him sometimes. ;)


Author Reply: Hi Redheredh,

I'm glad you are reading! I credit Nilmandra with helping me out with this one, especially in characterization. Oropher is a complex guy, and I'm glad you are able to see that in the story. :) Of course, not everyone agrees with him, as we will see soon!

NilmandraReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/4/2006
I like how the conversation with his parents came out, with his mother aware of what is happening and yet trying to retain some sense of normalcy. And the wood elves wondering if this time Oropher will agree. It says much about Oropher that his people would follow him to war as they did. Good beginning.

Author Reply: I think the conversation with his parents is 100 times better now. I didn't think she would be completely in the dark about what was going on. I've always thought of Oropher as being king (forgive the Monty Python) by a mandate from the masses. They were impressed by him and made him their king. He would be able to inspire them, I think.

Thanks for all your help and patience (and 2x4's) on this!

elliskaReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/4/2006
Oh this will be wonderful! I had to laugh at the way Oropher handled the messengers and I enjoyed what you showed us of 'everyday' life in Greenwood and Thranduil's family. Sad that Thranduil was opposed to participating--it will make the end we know this comes to all the more bitter. I am going to enjoy this story!

Author Reply: Hi, Elliska!

I'm glad you are enjoying it already. Oropher has dealt with the likes of these messengers before. Thranduil has his own ideas of what would be the best course of action, and it doesn't involve marching away to other lands. Things are about to get bad for our hero, sadly.

BodkinReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/4/2006
Interesting times. And I don't think I've ever read a story that looks at this time from this perspective, so I'm already rubbing my hands together in glee.

It took two failed trips to try to get Oropher's support for Gil-galad to learn what he was doing wrong? That's a bit slow of him! He must have known from the First Age that Oropher needed careful handling.

I'm not surprised that Thranduil doesn't want to get involved in this. He is too young yet, it seems to have that strong a perspective on the greater good - and how one political situation can bleed into another.

But he is eyeing up a certain elleth! His naneth will be pleased about that - although I suspect there might be a few interruptions to any courtship.

Looking forward to seeing how this develops.

Author Reply:
Thanks for reading, Bodkin.

Gil-galad was indeed a tad slow in realizing how to deal with Oropher, and Oropher is not the only one with a bit of pride when dealing with certain individuals.

Thranduil has his own ideas of what's best for Greenwood - as you will see. He is still a bit short-sighted when it comes to things happening beyond the forest.

This is not the time to be thinking about an elleth! :-)

French PonyReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/3/2006
It sounds like this is a story that Thranduil needs to tell, and it does seem to be the appropriate time to tell it.

Oropher sounds like a guy who is clearly well versed in bureaucracy. He knows all the tricks, and these messengers just can't fool or cajole him. They'll learn soon enough that the way to deal with Oropher is with respect and honesty. But you can also see the streak of pride that will eventually be Oropher's undoing.

Now, I guess that by "a singing" in the woods, you mean a group of elves getting together to drink and sing lovely Elf ballads, yes? I tend to associate that phrase with Sacred Harp, so I had my own private giggle at the thought of Elves sitting in a hollow square. Either way, I would have loved to hear it.

Author Reply: I think the singing tends more toward the former than the latter, though them sitting around in a hollow square is interesting! lol

Oropher has dealt with these people before, and he isn't about to let them push him around. Thanks for reading, Pony.

daw the minstrelReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/3/2006
"And we receive his regards in all the warmth with which they were sent."

LOL. Good one, Oropher!

It's interesting to see Oropher and Anirael together. She comes across as strong and in her husband's confidence. I was amused by her telling Thranduil he spent too much time in a cave. If only she knew the future!

There's a lively sense of elven life here, shown in the singing and the friendships and the normal life that's about to be torn apart.

I enjoyed this, Gwyn.

Author Reply: Thanks, Daw. I can't imagine Oropher's wife and Thranduil's mother being anything but strong. She would have to be to put up with those two!

Thranduil's life is definitely about to take a turn for the worse. I hope he enjoyed the singing.

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