Hector the Hero
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
In response to Sitara's comments:
Fëanáro was tainted by Morgoth as were all of the inhabitants of Arda due to Morgoth's influence in the Music. The greater the potential, the greater the responsibility, and the greater the potential to fall for the great have greater heights from which to fall.
There is a fine line between genius and madness and Fëanáro clearly crosses it multiple times. He goes from using his gifts for the glory of his people, the glory of Eru, and the sheer pleasure of making to becoming so ego-centric that even his wife who has joined with him in fëa parts from him.
Fëanáro commits crimes which not only violate the PAX Valinora so to speak (laws for maintaining peace set forth by the Valar) but he also breaks the laws set forth by his own beloved atar made for the good of all the Noldor when he threatens his own flesh and blood with grievous bodily harm, namely his half brother Nolofinwë. Not only is it evil for brother to be set against brother, it is wrong and dishonorable to a king for the crown prince to break the laws which the king has set forth. Where is the love of father in that?
In returning to Tirion, Fëanáro sinned again, and again it was by his own choice though this time more deeply pre-conceived that living out what in all likelihood was long a fantasy to rid himself of his annoying little brother. The taint of Morgoth runs deep indeed in Fëanáro. It also runs in Finwë and in Miriel, too. Finwë forsook his responsibility to his people for the single-minded venture of giving in to the temper tantrum of his adult son (who himself has adult sons and a grandson), and Miriel refused re-embodiment which is against the Eru-made nature of elves who have forsaken their bodies in death.
As for Indis and the lawfulness of her marriage to Finwë: if it were not Eru’s will, it would not have been allowed to happen. You can’t argue with that. It simply must be accepted for Eru saw what would become of the union all the way through Finrod and Galadriel and Eärendil and the kings of Numenor and Aragorn and Arwen and beyond.
One of the overall problems Tolkien presents is that the Valar do not understand how deeply the taint runs in Arda and the elves do not perceive how deeply the taint runs. And this is a taint in the Valar themselves, their blindness to the depth of the influences of Morgoth and their blindness to their own limitations no matter how good their intentions. Fëanáro is a product of this taint as well as a victim just like every other elf in Arda is a product and a victim of the taint. Fëanáro went further in bringing evil fruit to this taint though by consciously and willfully using his great power and influences to bring as many others into his downward spiral as possible. However, Eru has a wonderful way of creating unexpectedly good things out of that which Morgoth taints. We see this time and again throughout the Silmarillion and the Lord of the Rings. Gollum and his role in destroying the ring is a prime example of this.
Sitara, it would be far more productive to Fiondil if you would use the review space in his stories to critique or compliment his work instead of ranting over things Tolkien decided long before any of us were even born.
Author's reply
Hello Hector. Thanks for your comments. They are very insightful and I'm sure others will find them interesting as well.
Sitara
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
Nobody has the right to accuse Fëanáro. To people who would feel like it, I strongly recommend them to put themselves in his shoes and try to walk around for a little while. After that I’ll be perfectly willing to heed their charges, be them of Elvish or Valarin sources. It’s fairly easy to hurl accusations but I would like to see anyone who dares to do that how much better would have done in his place. No Elf and no Vala could ever understand Fëanáro because they won’t be ever likely to experience the things Fëanáro had gone through. No Man either for no Man would be bound to Arda for its lifetime. Respect for the rules of the Blessed Realm or for the Valar? Do they deserve at this point any trace of respect from Fëanáro when they didn’t even blink when one of Eru’s most sacred rules, the bond of matrimony, was blatantly broken? Furthermore, they even provided the means for those three foolish Elves to shun that particular rule. You just stay in Mandos forever and you two could live happily forever after. There, problem solved. And they would ask themselves afterwards why Eru forfeited their rights as guardians of Arda: to have in their keeping the fates of Arda. Respect when they exiled him in the utmost illegal manner or when their incompetence or idiocy allowed Melkor to kill his only living parent and his only remaining thread of sanity when they brought them all to Aman specifically to be guarded against Melkor? I dare them or anyone to judge him or the state of his conscience after living his life for a little.
The Valar or others would condemn and blame Fëanáro for all their woes but have they ever stopped to ask how much of his madness was the result of their own actions or lack of it? They speak of his lack of regard for others but who could really know how many of his creations were and would be bettering the lives of both Elves and Men? Starting with his tengwar , with his lamps, followed by the palantiri for which generations of Kings of Men should thank him and ending with the Silmarili. Created not to be shiny toys to be gawked at but because of a foreknowledge of darkness threatening them all, knowledge which wasn’t given even to Valar themselves.
And in this particular case, he undoubtedly might have thought to use the Noldor and the Teleri for his own purposes but in fact he was the one who ended up used by them. He became the ideal scapegoat for both tribes and when the things would turn sour, they won’t have to do else but to point a finger at him and say:” He made me do it!” What point to think about my own shortcomings and soul tainted by Melkor’s darkness when I’m just a poor innocent victim "besotted as with wine" by fell Fëanáro? Why should I think that I ended up hoarding ships for their own sake when I'm too busy to whine all my way through the First Age and possibly further, because of what that wretched Elf has done?
But, in the end, one thing would remain: that this psychopathic, self-absorbed individual shall be the one who would sacrifice his heart for Arda to be Remade. And that’s Eru’s Judgement of Curufinwë Fëanáro.
Okay, that’s not a review, obviously. That’s a pure rant and I would apologize if I were in the least bit sorry. Sorry for making you skimming through this, yes, but I’m not sorry for what I’ve said. Well, you do know what to do if it bothers you too much. On the bright side, they say (I think) that a successful writer is a writer who manages to make his readers act like all would be reality not fiction. “grin”
Author's reply
I think by now we're all aware of how you feel about Fëanáro, Sitara. *grin* Thank you for reading and reviewing.
Fantasia
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
I don't know what he will say, but I'm sure than Ingwë will regret his generosity later. Maybe he will proclaim his desire to go back to ME, and his insubordination towards the Valars. I think that after that, there is not point to take an oath; Ingwë won't tolerate that kind of behavior.
I was thinking that they still underestimate Feanor, "child"? He is anything but a child, even with all his twisted goals, he was one of the greatest Elves ever, I think that we have here some of the old generation incredulity to see the value of the new generation.
I don't know the age difference between the heirs, but it seems to me that Ingwion is much younger than Feanor, or at least, he acts as a younger elf. There you can see the difference between their characters.
Thank you and I'm waiting to see how the exodus will start.
Author's reply
Hi, Fantasia. Ingwion is older than Fëanáro, though probably not by much as Elves would measure such things, but he is speaking contemptuously of someone whom he just doesn't like so he disparages him by calling him a 'child'. Ingwion seems younger than Fëanáro because he is more innocent of things and that is mostly Ingwë's fault for not giving his sons greater responsibilities early on. Now the crisis at hand is forcing all the Elves to leave Paradise, so to speak, and grow up in ways they never imagined.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Shemyaza
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
And so begins the speech that always makes me see Feanor as a psychopath.A truly self-absorbed individual with no conscience or feeling for others and for whom social rules have little or no meaning. The only thing that he didn't lack, unlike a true psychopath was passion, but none of that was directed at others with the notable exceptions of his mother and father and his creations.
He still, for me, fulfils all of the elements of that condition. They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor and an attitude of entitlement and fearlessness, although true psychopaths also partner that with a tendency towards sadism which of course we have no idea whether Feanor was because it's unlikely that Tolkien saw one of his most colourful characters in that light when he wrote about him!
Feanor always reminded me of a high-peed vehicle with ineffective brakes.
Poor Ingwe; the guy knows fine well that the missile is heading straight for them. He could see it from miles away but can do bugger all about it. I feel so sorry for him because he knows that the aftermath will not be good. Of course it seems so obvious to us that the Valar should interfere, but their hands are tied because if they do, then they will be giving credence to both Feanor's and Melkor's accusations of wanting the Eldar to be their slaves and not their beloved children. It must have nearly destroyed them to watch as events unfolded and not be able to act. I wonder if they suspected that bloodshed and pandemonium would follow? I have a feeling they did.
As always, a riveting read from you. You bring Valinor and its inhabitants to life for me more so than any other writer.
Author's reply
Hi Shemyaza. I'm not sure I would go so far as to label Fëanáro a psychopath, but certainly he is self-absorbed and self-center and thinks of no one but himself and his own pain without recognizing the pain of others. And Ingwë has no clue how to handle this situation. In fact, as we will see in the next chapter, he only helps to contribute to the chaos with his efforts. And the Valar are in a quandry as well. They are like parents who see a grown child heading for self-destruction who cannot do anything to prevent it because the child is no longer under their control.
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad that my efforts to bring Valinor and its inhabitants to life have brought you great reading pleasure. Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it greatly.
6336
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
Short and relatively sweet, Feanaro is up to something, as if we didn't know. I am not too happy thinking about what his speech will be, knowing what is to come, I am very concerned also as to why he is insisting on not giving fealty to Ingwe until after the speech.
Tricksey, that ellon, very, very tricksy!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. This chapter is a bit short but you will see that had I tacked Fëanáro's speech to the end it would have been impossibly long and I want the full impact of what happens to be felt so I put it in its own chapter. We'll see why Fëanáro is insisting that he not give his oath of fealty until after his speech soon enough. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it.
Sunny
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
Seems I forgot to insert the word "speech". :-O
Author's reply
No problem, Sunny. Thanks for the clarification.
Sunny
· 18 March 2011
· Chapter 57: The Crowning of Fëanáro
Ingwe was royally scr*wed here - Fëanáro seems to be quite the slick politician. I expect Fëanáro's to be the call for the Noldor to follow him to Ennor - and then the Oath will follow.
All bets are off when that is done.
Author's reply
You're right about that, Sunny. Ingwë is not going to like what's about to come down at all and Fëanáro's speech and the Oath will indeed appear in the next chapter. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Tari
· 16 March 2011
· Chapter 54: Mahalmacundo
I, too, have reservations about Ingoldo attending the meeting. I don't think he will accept Elindis as the ruler in her husband's absence. I fear he will learn something that he will be able to turn to his benefit.
Author's reply
Hi Tari. We will see what happens with Ingoldo eventually. He'll be making his move soon enough much to the detriment of others. Thanks for taking the time to read and review. I really appreciate it.
Fantasia
· 14 March 2011
· Chapter 56: Fëanáro’s Return
Well, if nothing, the noldors are really inventors; I think that they were the most industrious of the clans and for that reason, maybe, the most ambitious. Knowledge expands your mind and makes you seek outside your boundaries. I think, that they really could not be happy in Valinor without a purpose, they remind me of men, always seeking, moving. The bad thing is when you applied that thirst of knowledge to pursuit the wrong ends.
So, Feanor is there and they have accepted him. Ingwë was concerned with Feanor, but at the end none of the Noldors heeded his advice, so better for him to part to his kingdom and let the noldors to manage their affairs. What it worries me is that if he goes to Olwen, he may be there when that madness unleash, and Ingwion as well. What a mess!
Author's reply
Hi Fantasia. A mess, indeed, but to what extent remains to be seen.
The Noldor's fatal flaw was knowledge for the sake of knowledge without taking into account its consequences or it source. That was Celebrimbor's downfall. He apparently learned nothing from family history.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it.
6336
· 14 March 2011
· Chapter 56: Fëanáro’s Return
Well he's back, now for the explosion!
Would have been interesting to see what Ingwe would have said but I think Nolofinwe averted a serious incident by doing what he did.
Franaro is too calm for my liking.
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. We will see how things go between Fëanáro and Ingwë. The High King is done with the son of Finwë yet. *grin* Thanks for reading and reviewing.
Fantasia
· 11 March 2011
· Chapter 55: The Queen’s Council
I have a proposal, send domeone to spy Ingoldo's activities.
Author's reply
Perhaps Valandur has already thought of it, Fantasia. *grin* We'll have to wait and see.
6336
· 11 March 2011
· Chapter 55: The Queen’s Council
I'm with Ingalure, come home Ingwe or you may find yourself ousted by Ingoldo and his cronies, I'm sure he has some! Let Feanaro and Nolofinwe sort themselves out, I someehow can not see Feanaro bending his knee to Ingwe!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. Yes, it would be better if Ingwë were back in Vanyamar. Unfortunately, that's not the case and things must play out as they will, as Námo is so fond of saying. Thanks for reading and reviewing.
Erulisse (one L)
· 11 March 2011
· Chapter 55: The Queen’s Council
I am reading this chapter while hearing of the ever-increasing death toll from the Japanese earthquake this morning. It has resonance for me in both of the worlds - Tolkien's and real life. Ascertaining the damage of the people and possible emergency measures that may need to be taken is always the first priority in times of disaster, and the destruction of the Trees was certainly that. Ingoldo is completely untrustworthy and worries me, especially him leaving the council so quickly pulling his wife along with him. Ingwe needs to return and return quickly or he will have difficulty resuming his throne, no matter how much Ellendis and Ingalure have worked to keep it open for him.
- Erulisse (one L)
Author's reply
Hi Erulisse. Yes, it does make one think when a natural disaster happens and the death of the Trees certainly would be just that. As to what will happen with Ingoldo and all, that remains to be seen. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it.
Larner
· 10 March 2011
· Chapter 54: Mahalmacundo
A most difficult situation, I must say. One does wonder who is pulling Ingoldo's strings. Am rather proud of Ingil at the moment,
Author's reply
A very difficult situation, Larner, but we can all be proud of Ingalaurë at this moment. In spite of his insecurities, he rises to the occasion. And actually, I think Ingoldo is pulling his own strings. His jealousy of Ingwë is the driving force behind all that he does. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I greatly appreciate it.
Larner
· 10 March 2011
· Chapter 53: A Conspiracy Suspected
Ingoldo is sowing his own seeds well, isn't he? Yecch! Poor Ingwe and Ingwion, as they will be the ones who will have to deal with the aftermath.
Author's reply
Yes, Ingoldo is doing a bang-up job so far, Larner. And yes, Ingwë and Ingwion will have to deal with the mess afterwards, poor ellyn. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Tari
· 8 March 2011
· Chapter 53: A Conspiracy Suspected
So now Ingoldo is beginning his attack. Ingalaurë is right to have fear of him. Unfortunately, the seed of doubt has been planted. Only time will tell if Ingalaurë is wise enough to see thru his uncle's clever words.
Author's reply
You're right, Tari. Ingoldo is laying plans and Ingalaurë will figure prominently in those plans, though he doesn't know this. How it all plays out will be revealed eventually. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Sorry I'm so late with this, I ran out of time to read it until this morning. I love the reactions of the people after the most stunning catastrophe of their lives. The dazed expression, the outbursts of anger, all of these things are more than plausible in situations of great stress such as this. And, of course the Valar are not doing a great deal to help calm the populace - the populace that they wanted to reside with them so very much. Sometimes they just bother me!
I loved Ingil's oath at the end. He truly will guard the throne, even as his mother-name implies.
- Erulisse (one L)
Author's reply
No problem, Erulisse. Glad you enjoyed the reactions of the people coping (or not coping) with the loss of the Trees. Don't be too hard on the Valar, though. They're struggling to keep Aman viable and more is going on behind the scenes than is obvious from the Elves' points of view. *grin*
We will see in subsequent chapters how Ingil keeps his oath and what the consequences of the oath are.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Sitara
· 7 March 2011
· Chapter 54: Mahalmacundo
Well, look at this. So Elindis did remember that she is in fact the ruling queen. To tell you the truth, I was fully expecting her to follow the (future) example of Melian, who, as we all know, did a stellar job as the Queen of Doriath. I guess I cannot bring myself anymore to really feel for the Vanyar. Anyway, it's good for her to arise from her mourning and actually do something useful.
And yeah, Fantasia is right. What is it with Findis? Has she already forgotten that she used to have a father and he's been brutally murdered? Canon Findis would retire with her mother, somewhere in Lorien, I believe, if I recall correctly.
Ingalaurë should have restrained himself, if you ask me. Personally, I don't think that the High King's throne was worth such an oath. Or such a fuss. Oh well.
And I loved that food-fight. "grin"
Author's reply
Hi Sitara. With regards to Findis, see my repl to Fantasia. And while Findis may accompany Indis to Lórien for a time (it's not in the Silmarillion which is the text that I use), she obviously will not remain there since she is marrid and she does appear in "Elf, Interrupted" a millennium later. There is a backstory to Findis and how she married Valandur and what her relationsip with her father was and maybe someday I'll be able to write it.
And Ingalaurë is only doing what comes naturally in a culture where oaths are sacred and oaths of fealty to one's sovereign normal. Unfortunately, it's an oath that will play itself out to its tragic end, though no one is yet aware of this.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it.
Fantasia
· 7 March 2011
· Chapter 54: Mahalmacundo
I'm so weary of oaths lately, and because we know that Ingil was kill at some point, this oath make me uneasy.
Is not Findis Finwe's daughter? she does not seem to affected for his death, as Feanor and his sons. I could expect her to go to Tirion and be with her family, but I'm not sure if she was her daughter or not, I have to re-read the story.
Great chapter, as usual.
Author's reply
And the oaths just keep coming, Fantasia. *grin* We will see how Ingil's oath plays itself out as the story progresses.
Findis is indeed Finwë's daughter, and it's not that she's not grieving, but she hides it well and she has Valandur to comfort her. With such a large cast of characters it's impossible to touch on all of them so things have to be assumed or not as the reader chooses.
Anyway, I'm glad you found this to be a great chapter. Thanks for letting me know. I really appreciate it.
6336
· 7 March 2011
· Chapter 54: Mahalmacundo
Ah, good. I am pleased to see Elindis come out of her funk and that Valandur has his sources still feeding him information.
What a shock for everyone, one minute you have light and an orderly existance and the next you are are plunged into darkness and confusion. At least Elindis has her priorities right, light and food will go a long way to normalizing things.
Next up how to prevent panic and keep watch on Ingoldo, I don't trust that ellon one tiny bit!
Huggs,
Lynda
Bye the way, just what were the Cook and Under Cook getting in a hair tangle about?:<)
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. Yes, Elindis just needed a little push in the right direction and Ingalaurë gave her it. And I have no idea what the hair tangle was about, but I bet it was over something completely inconsequential. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I quite appreciate it.
Sunny
· 7 March 2011
· Chapter 54: Mahalmacundo
Hearing about Ingoldo's suggestion that perhaps she wasn't really up to looking after things certainly put the steel into Elindis' spine! And his kind offer to look after things should ensure that it stays there, I think.
It would be interesting to find out where Ingoldo gets his information.
Ingalaurë's oath is probably a warm-up exercise for Eönwë, and I hope it is a nicer one than the ones that are going to follow. It will also be interesting to see what effects it will have.
Author's reply
Hi Sunny. I think Elindis is stronger than she looks. She just needed an incentive to take control and Ingalaurë gave her one. As for Ingalaurë's oath, we will see how it plays out as the story progresses. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it very much.
Sunny
· 4 March 2011
· Chapter 53: A Conspiracy Suspected
A good story really needs a good villain. Though perhaps "good" may not be quite the right word here - the sort of villain that we all can love to hate. ;-)
I know - there is always Mogoth, but in this case he is perhaps a bit too elemental, IYKWIM. Good thing I am so fond of SF and Fantasy - if necessary i can dwell on a favorite Bad Ending from a book and picture Ingoldo in the middle of that.
Author's reply
Hi Sunny. I agree. Villians have to as interesting as the heroes or what's the point? I'm glad you think Ingoldo fits the bill. I try to make my villians as three-dimensional as my heroes, with both good and bad points. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it.
Fantasia
· 4 March 2011
· Chapter 53: A Conspiracy Suspected
What a mess! The queen needs to snap and take control. IMO, Ingoldo is wort than Feanor, at least, Feanor i snothing but sincere, he is not working in the shadowa and everybody knows what to expect while Ingoldo is a perfect intriguant.
Author's reply
Hi Fantasia. I agree that it is a mess and Elindis needs to get a grip. We'll see in the next chapter what Ingalaurë does to convince his mother to take charge before Ingoldo does. And Ingoldo is sneaky, whereas Fëanáro is right out front. It's easier to confront the latter than the former, which is why in many ways Ingoldo is more dangerous than Fëanáro.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. I appreciate it very much.
6336
· 4 March 2011
· Chapter 53: A Conspiracy Suspected
Excuse me while I go brush my brain, Ingoldo has left a nasty taste in my mind!
Just what was Atar thinking of when he created Ingoldo, must have been an off day.
Poor Ingalure, everything he has been dreaming about and thinking of coming to the fore, Ingoldo has been taking lessons from Morgoth on how to intimidate people and coerce them into doing what he wants.
What would happen if he does convince Ingalure to take the throne, just how long would Ingalure last before Ingoldo took over, methinks the first Kinslaying would not have been in Alqualonde and it would not have been Feanor's followers who did it!
Time to come home Ingwe, let Feanor and Nolofinwe fight their own battles, though I think Nolofinwe will be only too happy to hand the throne over to his brother!
Huggs,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi Lynda. LOL! I always had to have a good brain scrub after dealing with Melkor. Ingoldo isn't even in his class, or Sauron's, but he is a sneaky so-and-so, isn't he? We will see what happens with Ingalaurë and how he deals (or doesn't) with his uncle in subsequent chapters. And we will see soon enough what is happening in Tirion and what Ingwë's role in all this is. Thanks for reading and reviewing. It's greatly appreciated.
Kaylee Arafinwiel
· 4 March 2011
· Chapter 53: A Conspiracy Suspected
Oh, Atto!
It looks like Ingoldo is up to his tricks again...Valandur should really keep a closer eye on him and Ingalaure. Valandur's right...Ingwe, or at least Ingwion, needs to come home. Ingoldo is in no way right of course.
Hm...I saw Sitara's remark. If Feanaro was barred from the throne, would that mean Nelyo, too, was at this time? He did willingly give the crown to Nolofinwe later, though, didn't he?
Poor, poor Ingil...oh, and the little bit between Olorin and Valandur was very interesting! Things just keep getting better and better.
Tye-melin!
Kaylee
Author's reply
Hi Kaylee. Yes, Ingoldo is up to something and we'll see what that is soon enough. I think Ingalaurë made an assumption that because Fëanáro's sons went into exile with him and Nelyo did not remain behind to act as regent as the next in line to the throne, but that Ñolofinwë was acting as regent, that the crown properly belongs to Ñolofinwë rather than to Nelyo. Of course, that is what happens in Beleriand, but here in Aman, that expectation is false on Ingalaurë's part. It's more wishful thinking than anything. Still, I suspect that in the minds of many of the Elves, especially the Vanyar, that's how they see it: that Ñolofinwë should have the crown.
I'm glad you found the bit between Olórin and Valandur interesting. I think we see another side of our favorite Maia that isn't always evident.
Thanks for reading and reviewing. Tye-melin!