Edlyn
· 19 October 2007
· Chapter 128: Disaster On Day Three
Oh, meldonya! What a chapter! I can see why this took you longer than usual to post. And to think I felt sorry for Calalindalë after the events of the trial! O.K. I still feel some pity for her but mostly I'm in a state of disbelief. If we ever needed to find an example of Arda Marred I would say this situation is it.
I have a feeling that she ended up deciding to marry Aldundil in order to effect revenge on him for supposedly not fulfilling his oath. And unfortunately, I can see that twisting her own son's fëa and turning him into a juvenile delinquent or worse would be a quite effective revenge, especially as Aldundil still probably (heck, forget the probably) feels guilty for not being able to make sure that his brother survived the war.
Oh, as soon as I saw that Námo had chosen a thronelike chair I knew that *somebody* was going to be facing some hard truths pretty soon but I have to admit I was surprised as to who it turned out to be. I honestly thought at first that Vorondil would be in for it again.
I am quite worried about our Vorondil. I don't know whether he'll try to kill himself again out of guilt for attacking Finrod or if he'll begin fading or go catatonic or what. I want to wrap him in my arms and reassure him that the world isn't ending. He's certainly one very damaged elfling (and not just physically--how long does it take an elf to heal from broken bones anyway? Humans take between four and twelve weeks from my experience)even after his Judgment. I just have this feeling he's going to end up in Mandos sooner or later (and probably sooner instead of later) no matter what Finrod and his family do. Still, the one thing that his reaction to his father being injured tells me is that he still loves Aldundil dearly even after his father's mad attack on him after taking Life Oath to Finrod at the trial.
And what in the world is going on with Finrod?! Was he remembering or having nightmares about something? He was most certainly distracted and apparently quite weary to start with. And I was completely floored by the fact he basically told the Valar to back off and butt out. Seeing Finrod raise his power to Sing Aldundil back to healing and life was wonderful. It just occurred to me that this is a perfect example of him fulfilling his side of the requirements of the Life Oath and he most certainly pays a price for it.
Was Amarië in the stands or is she staying away from the tournament? If she was in the stands I can only assume that her parents prevented her from trying to get to Finrod when he collapsed. And if so, I can just hear her letting them know exactly what she thinks about that!
I do hope the elflings (besides Vorondil, I mean) weren't in the stands or where they could see what happened or if they were that Alassiel and Sador got them out of there ASAP and comforted them. I know that both Alassiel and Sador want to be with Finrod but they both know that five unsupervised elflings (especially after such an event) would only be asking for trouble. I can see them setting them to peeling vegetables to make soup for Finrod to eat when he wakes up (and Sador even suggesting they cut the potatoes and carrots into silly shapes to make him laugh while Alassiel rolls her eyes).
Goodness, I must be doing better finally as I seem to be getting back to writing long reviews again. Anyway, meldonya, this was a quite exciting and tension filled chapter and it has me thinking and imagining all sorts of possibilities. We (Balian--who I have introduced to your picture--and I) miss you and hope things are going well with your classes. I'll try to catch you online sometime and talk to you about this chapter somemore when I have read it and see what else comes to mind while doing so.
Live blessed,
Edlyn
Author's reply
We will learn what happened to Finrod's elflings in the next chapter, along with Amarië. She was definitely in the stands and saw everyting, but the reason for her not going to Finrod will be made clear in due time. Her mother (though not her father, who doesn't care) is not very happy with either of them after the New Year's Ball fiasco (to her way of thinking).
I think Vorondil adores his father no matter what and I suspect it's because he's so fearful of the fact that he knows that if Aldundil hadn't married Calalindalé, he (Vorondil) would never have been born. I think his mother has intimated that Vorondil's existence is due solely because of Aldundil's generosity in agreeing to marry Calalindalë. Not a happy situation for the poor elfling, thinking he's only alive from sufferance and not because he's really wanted.
Finrod's behavior will be explained in the next chapter. And yes, his Singing Aldundil to healing is an example of his fulfilling his obligations to his side of the Life Oath. Unfortunately, he's not *supposed* to be able to do what he did, which has the Valar floored. That will open up a whole new can of worms for them to play with. *grin*
Glad you're feeling better enough to send a long reviews. I miss them. LOL
Kitty
· 19 October 2007
· Chapter 128: Disaster On Day Three
This chapter was a bit long in coming (you’ve spoiled me with the weekly updates!), but it was worth the wait!
Oh, I *knew* something was going to happen, but that was certainly not what I had expected. I feel a bit dizzy after this chapter – Finrod healing Aldundil with a Song of Power was awe-inspiring, to say the least, even if the Valar silently helped.
What can I say about the rest? Well, I know that Vorondil is taking it not very well to see his atar losing, and I do understand that he was shocked about his injury, but to attack Finrod with a knife? Oh Valar, that was certainly unexpected! But after reading the rest of the chapter, some things are becoming clearer for me. Aldundil not telling much about the War of Wrath seemed sometimes not enough to explain Vorondil’s initial behaviour, though back then I put it mostly down to Tinwetariel and Ingoldo.
And I can’t say I’m favourably impressed by Calalindalë - on the contrary. To say I decided I no longer wished to be bound to one stupid enough to die made me want to slap her – hard. If anyone is stupid, then it’s Calalindalë herself. Poor Aldundil, he did everything for his brother and this elleth, and *that*’s how she is repaying him? He doesn’t deserve that – and neither does his son. And I feel already sorry for the elder Vorondil – what will he think and feel when he’s reborn and returns to *that*?
I hope the next chapter will not take too long – I’m bursting with curiosity and suspense how these events will play out!
Author's reply
Calalindalë is one of those quiet types that have a lot of poison on the inside but show the world nothing but sweetness and light on the outside. Very deceiving personality. Both Aldundul and their son are victims, and Vorondil senior doesn't even know he's a victim. Very nasty situation all around.
Next chapter shouldn't be so long in coming. It's almost written and hopefully will be posted within a matter of days. Glad you thought this chapter was worth the wait.
Beruthiels Cat
· 19 October 2007
· Chapter 128: Disaster On Day Three
Fiondil, you have done it to us again, lol...it appears the lady C has cut off her own nose in spite of her face...and I have to wonder what Vorondil is going to think when he is finally reborn.
Finrod's "evolution" is beyond intriguing-now the Valar have an entirely new can of worms to to deal with. (It also explains a lot about Glorfindel in his reappearance in Arda later on)
Sador's future you've dropped such delicious hints about is still percolating in the background. Can't wait to see what you have planned for him!
All in all, I think I feel the most sorry for Aldundil-damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't- at least the way I'm seeing it. Hope these people can find some happiness eventually?
BC
Author's reply
Yes, there are now several cans of worms opened and who know where they will lead? LOL Hopefully all will be resolved to everyone's satisfaction eventually, though I make no real promises. Thanks for dropping a note and letting me know you're still reading this epic.
eiluj
· 16 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
Little Elfling Ingwion!
“The third remove will come out later ... just as soon as my brother figures out what it will be." -- Last-minute meal planning....
Soon, the others were rewarded with the sight of two Valar and two princes of Eldamar happily washing and drying the dinner dishes. Rumor of this spread throughout the encampment and it wasn’t long before the compound was surrounded by curious elves who decided that no one who hadn’t seen it with their own eyes would ever believe it -- Some of them will still be trying to come up with an explanation well into the Third Age.
"Now, why don’t you tell everyone about the archery. I know Finrod and Haldir are especially interested in hearing about it." -- I am, of course, extremely suspicious about this Mystery Archer (particularly because of Námo’s machinations to get Mithlas to tell the story).
“Perhaps we can find out when we watch him compete tomorrow” -- All they’ll find out is his name; they won’t be able to figure out why Mithlas half-recognizes him. Mithlas won’t remember where he saw the guy until the last day of the tourney. Probably at the prize-giving. Unfortunately out loud.
But I think the Mystery Archer is a Red Herring -- though that doesn’t mean he won’t cause some mayhem of his own. Perhaps a better word for him would be Catalyst. What is it the physicists have? A unified field theory? Okay, I now have a unified field theory explaining the motivations of *all* the Bad Guys, and how they all interact. (And it will turn out to be *wrong*!) But in the meantime, it has everything: Spectacle, Drama, Mess, Mayhem ... Valar trying hard not to interfere ... maybe even Death and Destruction (well, definitely Destruction, and hopefully not Death unless a Bad Guy or two). And at least one elf -- either Glorfindel or Finrod, or better yet both of them -- playing a very Heroic role. How’s that for changing Public Opinion?
One of the soup recipes I copied was an Oriental apricot ginger soup -- but it was to showcase apricot-flavored mead from Colorado, so I doubt it’s authentically Chinese.
Author's reply
Your rather convoluted reasoning about the Mystery Archer almost makes sense when I don't think too much about it. LOL
In China, when you order Peking Duck, the final course is the soup, in which they throw in the bones, along with dried apricots and spiced with ginger. The broth is not a clear broth but white. Not sure how they make the broth, but it's very good.
Aglarendis
· 10 October 2007
· Chapter 27: Judgment Recalled
Hello again Fiondil.
I have to admit, I found this chapter disturbing, as I found the last judgement chapter. I'm still not sure that this is the way judgement takes place. Namo is the vala of judgement. The care of the dead and their judgement is his.
Second, I just can't see Findarato standing before the fvalar and being as arrogant as you have portrayed him here. I would like to believe that Finrod learned many things during his time in Endore. I would like to believe that he learned humility, how to take responsibility for his own actions, how to admit when he was wrong. The findarato shown here is as young as the one who left Aman. Then too, I would have liked to have heard his answer about why he would abandon Amarie. He seems to care nothing for her here.
I just don't see that he would have virtually slapped the valar in the faces after all he said to Andreth and the way he acted with Beren. I don't think I would want someone like this to be the king of anything.
I know I have a pretty heroic picture of Findarato in my head. I'm sorry if I'm trying to make your picture and mine fit together too much. I can't expect the two of us to see him in exactly the same way.
I do want to see what happens next, what Namo teaches him, and all the adventures they have in the chapters to come. Namarie for now!
Author's reply
"Judgment" is a word fraught with too many connotations (good and bad) from our own religious backgrounds. But the original meaning of the word (first recorded c. 1225) is: "the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation; discernment of relationships; forming an opinion objectively, authoritively, and wisely, especially in matters affecting action". The meaning of Judgment as a "trial of mortal beings before God" is not recorded for the first time until over a century later (c. 1340).
Finrod, however noble and humble he may have been, was also part of the Rebellion against the Authorities. As such, he knows (or thinks he knows) what his fate is whether he lives or dies. At this point he figures being dead he has nothing to lose. He does not apologize for joining the Exodus and will not beg for forgiveness. The Valar, however, are not interested in either apology or forgiveness, but in Finrod understanding his true motives in all things so that he can put all into perspective. He does not yet understand that Judgment in this instance is a "second chance" not the end.
And I think he cared deeply for Amarië, and indeed tells Galadriel so (look it up), but at the time of the Rebellion he was too caught up emotionally with all that was happening to think straight (none of them were). I'm sure in some ways he regretted his decision to continue on instead of going back with his father.
I know Mari had problems with my portrayal of Finrod here, but a Finrod who doesn't have some flaw isn't interesting to write about. It's in how he deals with and accepts the flaws of his character that makes him, to me, the noble Elf that he is and one of my favorite characters in the entire Legendarium.
Agape4Gondor
· 8 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
Since I've been out of the country and trying desperately to catch up on so many things, Fiondil, with your permission, I'm going to review Chs. 122 - 127 here.
122 - I know I'm naive - but I cannot EVEN believe that Sulimondil would not show at the High King's summons! I just sat there with my mouth open!!! I'm saddened that you didn't let Glorfindel run him through, once it was shone he lived, with hiw sword!!! And - I very much like Vorondil... good kid!
123 - I should have known the little cur would try to slink away! Shame all he got was a split lip and teeny little bruise!!! And I loved Namo's appearance AND his funereal black - should speak volumes to those two miscreants!!! Now - I'm intrigued abut the Rebellion - can't wait to find out about that.
124 - You have a knack of bringing two males together and bonding them easily. I love the time with Ardamire - absolutely loved it. Glorfindel is incredibly wonderful. Shees! As for the page, that was fun. And Glorfindel chiding Ardamire for giving up before they began... nice touch! I loved Ingwe's handling of the 'rumours' - he has quite a presence! I loved little Veryandur and Narmolle - in both chapters where he kindly introduces his 'friend' to Valar and Noldor alike. I love Eonwe and Glorfindel's relationship - makes me laugh every time! And Namo's having to change the locks! ROTFL The whole paragraph about the blood-lust and how ALL worked together to save Haldir was spectacular. The tension was incredible - but to see the Reborn work together like that - running to aid another - was great. Este healing Aldarion's hand was perfect. So - the 'nightmare for the Reborn' is not over yet. *heavy sigh*
125 - I truly think that if I lived in that time, and saw what was happening to the Reborn - I would have been concerned to with their 'proclivity to violence.' Did I say before how much I like Vorondil - best thing that every happened to the Elfling - running into Finrod! He is learning to know himself, he is sharp and thinks well. And Ingwe again - with his allegiance to Findor - very nice inded along with Elindis! Great sovereigns to live under. And I loved the last message to Finrod and Haldir... all has been paid.
126 - Finrod definitely invites love and loyalty. You've written him well. The Valar who serve the Elves were fun as was little Veryandur.
127 - Poor Finrod really struggles with his friend (?) Namo - very interesting times whenever the two are together. Much as Finrod invites love and loyalty, he also invites a sound thrashing now and again from the Maia... done in love. I loved Ingwion wanting a 'tabard like his!' Delightful moments. And now, as always, you bring in another piece to a puzzle that I sit and wonder about - first the Rebellion and now, in this chapter, a forgotten memory? Of whom?
Great tale - you keep me glued to me seat as usual - though tonight I've been jumping up every few moments to *cross my fingers* watch the Indians!
Author's reply
Hey Agape, I'm just grateful you've taken the time to send this review. Thanks very much. I won't comment on everything you've mentioned but —
Súlimondil: Some people are born stupid, what can I say?
Thank you for telling me how well I portray various characters. I do my best.
Some reviewers indicated confusion about Finrod's reaction to the Valar in these last two chapters, but I think you see why he might be upset: he sees Námo and Irmo as interfering with what Finrod considers an internal matter of his household and resents the Valar "taking over", so to speak. And, like all the Elves, he still has lessons to learn about the true relationship between the Valar and the Children.
Someday I hope to write about the effects of the Noldor's Rebellion on those left behind. Someday....
As to the mysterious archer and Mitlas forgotten memory.... soon. *grin*
eiluj
· 8 October 2007
· Chapter 126: Interview With Elflings
Finrod escorted her about while they were waiting for dinner -- More entertainment for the bored elves in the encampment.
Mithlas and Aldarion, who normally would have joined them -- Aldarion or Aldundil? Or am I just not understanding why Aldarion joining them would be “normal”?
"Tell me, Lindorillë, who your atar’s friends are." -- Oooh. I was wondering about that. Because either the Bad Guys are Súlimondil and Valacar (who are currently in custody -- though I have some ideas about how they could still wreak havoc), or the elflings’ parents are involved (they being essentially the only elves we’ve met who seem available to be BGs), or someone we’ve met who seems to be a Good Guy is actually a BG (and we’ve already had one fighter turn out to be a BG, so it shouldn’t be another swordsman; and no one else we’ve met seems likely) -- or you’ll have to introduce some new elves to be BGs. Or some combination thereof.
Dried apricot and ginger soup -- Oh, yum! I dunno about that “white broth,” though.... I now have 5 recipes, two of them cream soups (plus one for apricot cheese tarts). What kind of person would *center* the instructions for a recipe? I still feel cross-eyed.
A wonderful ensemble performance. Finrod may not be thrilled, but the Fëanturi should definitely show up unexpectedly more often.
Author's reply
Aldario is a close friend of both Ingwion and Glorfindel, while Aldundil, technically one of Finrod's vassal, would only be there with his wife. They are actually staying elsewhere in the encampment with the other Noldor.
Your reasoning about the BGs is leaving *me* cross-eyed. LOL
The soup is based on one from China. It is the last dish served when you order Peking Duck. They throw the duck bones into the soup, which is a white broth, but not actually a cream soup, as it's quite thin. I adapted it here by simply leaving out the bones (they make the soup without the bones and add the bones at the last minute before serving). The mushrooms in oyster sauce I've actually had here in China when I was in Xi'an and quite good too.
Okay, I was expecting it, but it was still very lovely to see Namo and Irmo taking over kitchen duties. (Have I mentioned I LOVE Eonwe? His sense of humor reminds me of mine. *grin*)
I love Veryandur's childish "How'd you do that?" and the Valar's overlooking the question. LOL! Nothing like a reality check on who these two are, but to a child's mind, they are now cool guys who like his toy and then... whoa! *grin*
I think I forgot to mention in my review of last chapter, how much I really liked Glorfindel's understated roles in these chapters, and yet, he still shines. I LOVED him asking Namo and Irmo for invitations! LOL! and his amusement just continues to amuse ME!
And not that it is anything new, but Finrod's reaction to all this really puzzles me still. It just seemed out of place in this situation, but again, I don't have Valar dropping in constantly...
Ingwion's readiness to join his Master was lovely to see, and his comment about his Master losing a bet had me chuckling, almost as much as his request for a tabard like Namo's...and getting one! LOL!
-- Námo raised an eyebrow. "You’re in the middle of a tournament," he exclaimed in feigned asperity. "Pick something!" --
*snorts* I just LOVE him!
And now I'm REALLY curious about this archer Mithlas can't quite place. Father, son, relative of someone important? His reaction to Namo was well done. As was Amarie showing she has a sense of humor. I didn't like her much at first, but her change has been nice to see. I'm glad Vorondil will be able to keep working on his archery (I hit the target quite a few times at the Faire!!!). It is a skill lost over time.
The elves coming to watch Namo, Irmo, Ingwion and Finrod washing up was priceless! Another fabulous chapter, Fiondil!
NiRi
Author's reply
Thanks, NiRi. I'm glad you liked this chapter(and the previous one) so much. Eönwë pobably ran to the Valar laughing in manic glee as soon as he finished recording Haldir's oath with a "Guess what Haldir just said? Wouldh't it be funny if we actually took him up on it?" *LOL*
Glorfindel is somewhat in the background here, but he does have some of the best lines and manages to keep his finger in the pie, so to speak.
And I bet ALL the elves there would have liked to have known how the Valar did what they did along with Veryandur, only he was the one brave enough (or innocent enough) to ask them. *grn*
Ingwion has indeed come a goodly way from when he first went to Nienna's. I'm sure Irmo laughed himself silly at Ingwion's request. Of course, there was no bet lost (that I know of); this is merely Ingwion's assumption based on previous experience, but you can see how nonplused such a question would leave the other elves who aren't in on the joke.
I'm sure Finrod will make sure that Vorondil has all the archery practice he needs to keep his skills up and perhaps we'll see him compete in some future competition. As for the archer Mithlas tells them about... we'll learn more about him soon enough.
Nieriel Raina
· 7 October 2007
· Chapter 126: Interview With Elflings
I really enjoyed this chapter a lot, though I'm a bit confused at Finrod's ire. *shrugs* Maybe if I had Valar showing up all the time, I'd be a little irate myself. And cold food is such a very BAD thing! Unless it's ice cream. And I was SO happy to see it was THESE two Valas... *wink*
I can't tell you how much I chuckled and chortled while reading this chapter, (which considering I printed it up and read it at work, got me all kinds of funny looks and people peering over my shoudler to see what was so amusing and then asking Who is ... and then they try to pronounce the names!! LOL!)
Taking the cake was Veryandur's hurt "everyone else got a talking to" *GRIN* Your elflings are so believeably children and I adore that as it is hard to write children in a believable manner. And Námo's response... *giggles* I have adored that Vala since I started reading your fics, but THAT was priceless and warmed my heart all over again! I think I acutally snorted... *grin*
But this... this is what left such a lasting impression on me:
---- Irmo raised an eyebrow and gave Finrod a measured look. "You will have to tell me how you do that, my son," he said.
"And what is that, my lord?" Finrod asked with mild amusement.
"Get them to love you." ----
I have sensed it all along but to see it put so blatantly nearly made me weep. The Valar just want to be loved like everyone else. It was touching to see it actually voiced by one of them, and Irmo especially. I could almost hear a wistful tone there.....
Another wonderful chapter, Fiondil!
NiRi
Author's reply
I think Finrod is just getting tired of what he sees as interference with his household. The Valar were not responsible for having the elflings take oath to Finrod (not like their decision to make Vorondil Finrod's thrall for 30 years). That was totally Finrod's decision, so them taking an interest to the point of "ïnterrogating" them is sticking in Finrod's craw so to speak.
I try my best with making the children believably children and I have a friend with 5 kiddies who tell me that Veryandur reminds her of her 6-year-old in so many ways, so I guess I'm gettting them right.
>>And Námo's response... *giggles* I have adored that Vala since I started reading your fics, but THAT was priceless and warmed my heart all over again!<<
Well, Námo had to come up with *something* with which to reprimand Veryandur, since the ellon was feeling left out. *LOL*
I'm sure the Valar would love to know Finrod's secret, though I doubt even Finrod really knows and perhaps even the ones who show him their love probably couldn't articulate exactly *why* they love him. I also suspect that most elves are a bit uneasy around the Valar and Maiar to one degree or another, so Irmo's question is a valid one. I can almost see the wistful look on both Irmo and Námo's faces, as well as hear it in Irmo's voice.
Kitty
· 7 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
Hm ... I truly wonder, along with Finrod, what all that was about. It doesn’t seem as if it was only to show the connection between Lindorillë’s parents and Súlimondil and Valacar, though I have no idea what the Valar are up to, at least not at the moment.
Glad to see Ingwion has made his peace with serving the Valar, and I loved his question about the bet. Now I’m curious, too *grin*
Even more curious I am about this archer Mithlas mentioned. Somehow I get the feeling he may be up to no good, but maybe I’m too suspicious. Well, no doubt they will find out together who it is.
Oh, I can imagine all the elves in the encampment showing up to have a look at Námo, Irmo, Finrod and Ingwion doing the dishes! A sight to remember, no doubt!
And now, after reading this, I am hungry! As I doubt Námo and Ingwion will show up at my door, serving a feast, I’ll have to go and find something to eat.
Author's reply
Hi Kitty. Truth to tell, even *I* don't have a clue as to what the Valar (and particularly *these* two Valar) are up to, and I'm writing the story (at least, I *think* I'm the one doing the writing). *grin* I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what develops from this.
Well, there really was no bet. As Finrod tells Haldir, Eönwë seems to have an odd sense of humor and the Valar are merely responding to Haldir's words spoken in the last chapter. I'm sure the Valar are highly amused to take those words literally for a change. *lol*
As for the archer.... time will tell.
Thanks for reviewing.
Kitty
· 7 October 2007
· Chapter 126: Interview With Elflings
Somehow I get the feeling Finrod will be busy fighting off all these elves from Tol Eressëa who want him to be their king. To be honest, I do understand very well *why* he doesn’t want this job, but still, I am certain he would be a great leader to them.
Lindorillë’s parents are friends with Súlimondil and Valacar? Interesting, indeed – and it explains a lot. Finrod may not appreciate the Valar’s meddling in his affairs, but I am glad they showed this detail to everyone. I think it is something Finrod needs to know.
Did I mention before that I love Veryandur? ;-) He’s definitely my favourite of these five elflings in Finrod’s service!
plus it's hard to keep track with all these names that look and/or sound alike.*grin* Oh, I’m glad to know I’m not the only one! Was sitting here more than once and thinking „I *know* this name, but who the heck was that?“ So when I was re-reading the whole fic some time ago, I made my own ‚Who’s who’ in the process and was surprised how fast it was growing to now two and a half page. But it helps immensely.
Author's reply
Finrod certainly is the logical choice for ruling the Tol Eressëans, since he's the only one of the kings of Beleriand who has been released from Mandos, but you're right that he has very good reasons for not wanting the job (for one thing, he already has one being Námo and Irmo's apprentice).
Yeah, Veryandur is very much my favorite elfling. I have a friend who says he reminds her of her own six-year-old.
A character list is being put together even as I write this (and for the other 2 WIPs). I will put it up as soon as possible. I probably should have done it earlier, but I never thought this story would turn out to be so long or complex. *grin*
shidghedancer
· 7 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
Good morning Fiondil,
Sorry I haven't reviewed in a while, but I been loving every chapter. You wrtie with humor as well as drama. The Vala serving diner and meeting stuffed toys is going to be a memory that will keep me amused for a while. I find your explanation for different gems very interesting as well. I can't wait for the next posting. Thank you again for sharing your wonderful writing with us. Nancy
Author's reply
Hi Nancy. Thanks for your review(s) and your kind words. I appreciate them very much. I'm glad the memory of Námo and Irmo serving dinner and the elflings showing them their toys will keep you amused for some time. *grin* I found it amusing myself. Just goes to show the Valar aren't as aloof and unapproachable as they seem.
Nariel
· 6 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
Yay! You have finally updated after that huge break. Thanks for including Amarie. She's actually one of my other favorites. Hope to see her more. The Feanturi are so kind. I enjoyed seeing them listening to the elflings telling about their stuffed toys. And how they acted jealous when Veryandur had introduced his toy first to only the Elder King and Star Queen. The feast is making me hungry. It sounds so delicious. The Valar cooking and washing dishes, that would be a sight to see! I would definitely be one of those curious elves in the encampment. I am starting to like the elflings more and more often. Who is that elf that Mithlas was talking about that was in the Opal team and was a good archer? Is it a female archer? Is it someone we already met up with because that is what I am thinking right now. Is the elf and exile even? OR did he come to the Hither Lands in the War of Wrath like the characters are suspecting. This made my day Fiondil! I cannot wait for more updates. One last thing though. I have always wondered how you would write Finrod and Amarie's wedding. *Hint, HINT!*
Author's reply
Hi Nariel. It wasn't that huge of a break, dearie, less than 2 weeks. Now if it'd been 2 months you would have reason to complain. *gr8n*
Yes, Námo and Irmo are certainly kind and know how to respond to elflings (big and small). I'm sure when the elves return home and tell those who hadn't come to the tournament about seeing the two Valar washing dishes, their stories will be met with disbelief. This is definitely one of those times where seeing is believing.
The identity of the mysterious archer will be revealed in time and I may indeed write about Finrod and Amarië's wedding... someday. *grin*
Taralome
· 6 October 2007
· Chapter 91: Running With the Wolves
I very much enjoy your story!! Well at least I am still reading beyond chapter 90 so I must be liking it ;)!
Noted a minor flaw in this chapter though, noting serious but anyways... There is never more than one nursing female in a pack of wolves... only the alpha-female, or the highest ranking female in the pack, gets to birth pups once a year... the alpha-male is allways the father... The number of pups is most often 4-6 (but the actual range is from 1 to 10 pups appr.), 2 is a very small litter, although some of the pups could of course have died... There it was, just a note on the dynamics of a wolfpack!
Author's reply
Hi Taralome! Glad you are still reading and enjoying the story. Thanks for the information about lupine socical structure. I don't remember now what I wrote so I'll have to re-read it myself and see what changes need to be made (very minor, I suspect).
amber
· 6 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
Can I borrow the Vala to do my dishes? That was just great.
Author's reply
Sorry, Amber. The Valar are all booked for the foreseeable future. *grin* Glad you liked this.
Tira
· 6 October 2007
· Chapter 127: Table Talk
both of these chapters were...delicious! (I love that adjective.)
and really now, what bet did Námo lose this time?
Author's reply
Glad you liked these chapters, Tira. And there was no bet. The Valar are acting on Haldir's words "May the Valar help us!" when Finrod told them the elflings were serving dinner that night. *grin*
Nariel
· 5 October 2007
· Chapter 125: Slings and Arrows
Fiondil, I notice that you haven't updated in two weeks almost. Are you even still working on this? I hope you do.
Author's reply
Rest assured that I am indeed working on this story. Juggling three WIPs at the same time, however, takes it's toll and I'm not writing as often as I have in the past. Plus we are in the middle of the Mid-Autumn holiday period in China and so I'm on vacation (sort of). I expect to update sometime over the weekend. thanks for your concern.
eiluj
· 30 September 2007
· Chapter 125: Slings and Arrows
The rumors that had run through the city the day before died down only to be replaced by new rumors concerning the Reborn and their proclivity towards violence -- Yes. Obviously there needs to be some incident that creates a positive impression. Finrod and Haldir’s match was well-received, but it doesn’t begin to solve the PR problem. Luckily, with Glorfindel and Finrod around, it’s guaranteed something *will* happen. My bet is still on heroics from the Reborn once (more) Bad Guys show up. Or I suppose it could be the Bad Guys we already know.
[Oh dear: now I’m stuck with the mental picture of Námo hiring a PR firm to create a positive image for the Reborn.]
[Now I’m wondering what sort of PR firms there are in Valinor. And who runs them. Supercilious Vanyar? Go-getters from Endórë? Canny Maiar in their off-hours? (And if Maiar, *whose* Maiar?)]
All of them advanced to the next round along with eighteen other competitors -- If the total at the end of the first round is 27, and eight are listed here by name, wouldn’t that be *nineteen* others rather than eighteen? Or am I missing something?
“The fëar of the Reborn exist on a slightly different level of reality than the Once-born and I don’t think we know all the ramifications of that” -- Interesting in view of the description of Glorfindel in LotR.
In my review for the last chapter, I said “or even ellon” because I think this is the first story where I’ve seen that word used to refer to a child. I know you’re using it that way -- and I surely don’t know any reason why you *shouldn’t* -- but when I read it, my mind is still defining “ellon” as an adult male elf. Yes, my brain is weird, or maybe just stubborn.
Author's reply
If there is the equivalent of Madison Avenue in Valinor, I imagine it's headed by Eonwë and the rest of the heralds of the Realms. *grin*
Yes, there is a definite PR problem here but hopefully people like Finrod and Glorfindel will turn the Amanian elves' opinions around, thought it may take some time yet.
The Sindarin word _ellon_ merely means "male Elf" without regard to age. The feminine equivalent, _elleth_, is actually translated by Tolkien as "Elf-maid", but people tend to read that as meaning "female Elf" without regard to age or marital status. Tolkien did not give us Quenya equivlents for these words. We do have _nér_ "adult male [of any sentient species]" and the feminine equivalent, _nís_ in Quenya. Míriel uses the plural forms _neri_ and _nissi_ in the chapter where Ingwë visits her and Martandur to apologize after Glorfindel is attacked just outside their home. Their Sindarin equivalents are _anu_ and _inu_, respectively.
Author Reply: You're right that it should be nineteen, rather than eighteen. Thanks for pointing out the error. I was never good at maths, which is why I teach English rather than Physica. *grin*
eiluj
· 27 September 2007
· Chapter 124: Day Two
"I ordered Lord Súlimondil to attend me last night. He did not show and I ordered his arrest. He resisted arrest." The spectators began whispering to one another at that -- Yeah, I bet that hasn’t happened too often.... On the other hand, they have a word for it, so this must not be the first case.
In the scene of Veryandur meeting Ingwë, I notice you refer to Veryandur as “child,” “elfling,” or even “ellon,” but never “boy.” Now, I’ve occasionally come across the notion in fanfic that *hobbits* didn’t use the terms “boy” or “girl” for their children -- that those words refered only to children of Men. [JRRT uses “lad” and “lass” occasionally for (usually) young hobbits, and once “hobbit-maid,” but mostly it’s the non-gender-specific “young hobbit” or “hobbit-children” or simply “children.” “Boys” is used for Bergil and his friends.] So what I want to know is, are you intentionally avoiding “boy” and “girl” for elflings, and if so, is there a canon reason? [Though it finally occurred to me to try Find, so I see there are a couple of cases where one of the Ainur addresses Glorfindel or Ingwion as “boy.”] Also, can you shed any light on the usage re. hobbits? [Now *there’s* a question you weren’t anticipating receiving in this chapter!]
I’m looking forward to seeing what becomes of the smirking spectators.
I wonder if Manwë has ever been introduced to a toy before?
"We are concerned that this tournament is dredging up memories for the Reborn that it would be better if they did not surface just yet." -- And three days left to go....
Mithlas, still fighting Cirion in the next list over, could see what was happening as well and with a decisive movement forced Cirion’s shield from him and landed a "killing" blow -- Very impressive! Quick-witted, decisive, and powerful. Obviously not a warrior to underestimate. [Taking a look at where he fits on the chart (Kitty has a list, I have a chart). Yes, he could be a semi-finalist. -- Though considering I always put the tinco-losers in the wrong spots when they move to the parma-list (please don’t bother explaining), I could be totally wrong about Mithlas’s chances.]
Author's reply
I don't recall using the term "boy" to refer to either Glorfindel or Ingwion, even by the Valar, however, I prefer to use "ellon" and "elleth" rather than "boy/man" or "girl/woman" for Elves. Strictly speaking these words are Sindarin but I have them being used by Quenya speakers because there are no attested version of these words in Quenya although the Sindarin forms are not incompatible with Quenya, so I use them. As to whether they are canon, all I can say is that "ellon" and "elleth" are from Tolkien, meaning, "male elf" and "elf-maid, female elf", respectively.
With respect to hobbits, I think that Tolkien merely wanted to differentiate between the children of Men and the children of Hobbits, to show that they are not the same species, though closely related, and each has their own way of designating genders. Just my opinion. Others may think otherwise or even have specific information about such things that I do not have since I'm not interested in hobbits, per se.
I'm sure Manwë (and Varda) took Veryandur introducing them to Narmollë in their stride. Stranger things have probably happened to the Elder King and the Elentári. *grin*
Mithlas does indeed stand a good chance of moving into the semi-final rounds depending on how well he does in the next round of fighting. We'll just have to wait and see.
MJ
· 26 September 2007
· Chapter 125: Slings and Arrows
Catching up after last week's sojourn in the hospital (new chapters was something pleasant to come home to, by the bye :): I was happy to see Glorfindel's "commission" finally show up exactly where I expected it to be (now, who else would he have thought Vaire was going to give a brooch with a heart-shaped stone? Silly boy). But now you've got me wondering about the identity of the particular Vanya that appears to be the obvious choice to be released from Mandos. Maybe my brain's not up to speed just yet -- but I certainly don't object to the suspense, whatever the reason. Good job, once again.
Author's reply
Thanks, MJ. Hope you're feeling better now. Glorfindel might have had his suspicions that the brooch was just "made work" to keep him occupied while "incarcerated" and didn't really think it had any real significance until he actually saw it being worn. Oh well... we're all so good at deluding ourselves...
Anyway the identity of the Vanya won't be revealed in this story, but the question of his/her identity will be answered in another story that's cooking on the back burner even as we speak. It'll be a while though before I get to it, so you'll have to be patient.
Nieriel Raina
· 25 September 2007
· Chapter 125: Slings and Arrows
Ok, well, I'm reviewing sporadically since the painter's are here today, flooring people later in the week and everything isn't ready yet! ARGH! But I do so enjoy these breaks from Real Life that you send!
Well... My mind took an interesting turn with this chapter. I've been reading the story to my daughter every night (She LOVES Glorfindel and Finrod! *grin*) and we just passed the part where Glorfindel had an encounter with Irmo and Námo about Amarië... and in which the Valar mention Glorfindel did not give an oath to Arafinwe for a reason.... Back to this chapter, you really have me thinking! Don't know if that is the direction you are headed, but I can see Glorfindel giving his oath to Finrod, though how that would play out with him returning to ME, I'm not sure. I think the fact that you give my brain such a workout on top of being so entertained is the reason I love this story so much! *smile*
Eonwe keeps growing on me. I've always liked him, but he is multifaceted and I like seeing him in this role during the tournament. The outcome to the match between Finrod and Haldir wasn't surprising, but I'm glad Finrod had to work for it. Now, if only Glory would fight. *wink* Why do I get a feeling we won't see that until he faces off with Finrod? Hm?
Back to last chapter, I really liked how Ingwe handled the rumors, and am sorry to see the Onceborn have new amunition with Haldir's experiencing the blood lust. Poor elf. BTW...is this the Haldir we know from LOTR? I'm just wondering if Glory is the only one to return, since it says somewhere in HoME that when reborn they could return to ME if that was their wish, right?
I really enjoyed these last couple chapters and am waiting anxiously for the next installment of TWOTV. Thank you for sharing and making my days brighter!
NiRi
Author's reply
I'm glad you enjoyed thses last two chapters and that you are sharing the story with your daughter. I'm flattered.
I never intended to write Eönwë into this story, or rather, I never thought about him either way, but when Glorfindel went to the Exellohar to renew his oath to Turgon and Eönwë appeared, I knew it would not be a one-shot deal with this particular Maia. I'm happy to know that he's becoming one of your favorite characters.
This particular Haldir died in Gondolin along with Glorfindel, and, unlike the Haldir from LOTR, he is a Noldo Exile. His original name was Halatiro but he prefers to use the Sindarin equivalent of his Quenya name, just as Glorfindel and Gilvagor do. His father, Pelendur, is one of Arafinwë's advisors.
A new chapter of Wars fo the Valar will be posted before the end of the week. Thanks for taking the time out of your busy schedule to review. I really appreciate it.
Nariel
· 24 September 2007
· Chapter 125: Slings and Arrows
I really enjoyed this one. It may now be at the top of a list of favorite chapters in your story! *you see what happens when you write too good of a story* I like archery so I was quite glad that there was an archery part of the tournament, but I have to agree that the combat fighting is more exciting.
I am not kidding here but I was about to scream if you didn't include the conclusion to Finrod and Haldir's match! Fortunately you did and that means I still have my voice intact.
I don't know enough still on how Ingwe rules so I cannot say who might be better at being High King: Finrod vs. Ingwe! Now that's hard in a way to decide. Thanks for the thought. I never thought how the elves of Aman thought about how the Exiles ruled and their experiences.
What does Olwe mean by getting Namo to release the *right* Vanya? I just don't know.
Sooo...Fiondil, what's happening next?
Namarie!
Author's reply
Now, I would never leave my readers hanging as to the outcome of any of the more important matches. No worries there! *grin*
I am not an archer, though I took (and enjoyed) it in college, but what's a tournament without archery? And while it may not be as exciting as the fighting, there may be a surprise or two in the archery, you never know.
I may explore the nature of rule among the Elves in another story. We'll have to see what the Muse has in mind. *grin*
Glad this is one of your favorite chapters. I have several myself.
As for what Olwë's words mean... that, as they say, is another story (literally).
and youll just have to wait to see what happens next. *LOL*
Nariel
· 24 September 2007
· Chapter 124: Day Two
Cool! (I know that's lame, but...) I am *so* glad you updated two chapters at once. This was quite a shock. I never expected this to happen.
I am so glad that Glorfindel and Sador are declared innocent so that all of Valinor knows it.
I am correct then that Haldir is now in the parma-list and shall fight Findarato in their match, right?
It sure was cute to see Veryandur introduce Narmolle to the High King and Queen.
Is the issue that the reborn are getting because of the tournament going to effect Finrod or Mithlas? I was just wondering because they are reborn, but they already sort of had their time to adjust.
Namarie!
Author's reply
Mithlas, of course, is not a Reborn elf, having come to Tol Eressëa under his own steam, so to speak. We first meet him experiencing the blood=trance so it's unlikely he would experience it again so soon. As for Firndo... that remains to be seen.
You are correct about Haldit. Had he not suffered the blood-trance he would have won the match (even Aladarion admits this), but as it is he will fight Finrod in the parma-list while Aldarion will advance to the next round of the tinco-list.
Beruthiels Cat
· 24 September 2007
· Chapter 108: Artaquetta Findaráto as Manwë
Fiondil, I have a question! What (or where) Finrod is seeing sounds suspiciously like Durin's Crown...? I noticed that little anomaly before, but forgot to ask...Loving this story to the point of "dropping back in time" for the purpose of keeping all the plot lines straight!
BC
Author's reply
Hi Cat. No this isn't Durin's Crown. That's in Middle-earth and Finrod is standing on Taniquetil looking across the Pelóri mountains. He's merely seeing a mountain tarn that seems to reflect the stars even though it's broad daylight. Probably somthing Varda thought up. *grin*
Kitty
· 24 September 2007
· Chapter 125: Slings and Arrows
Posting another chapter was the perfect solution to the technical problem :-) Thank you so very much! Even more so as I am leaving for a week without internet access on Sunday morning and was resigned to the fact that I wouldn’t get to know the outcome of the fight between Haldir and Finrod until after my holiday. So I’ll maybe *not* dying from curiosity during my absence ;-)
The rumors that had run through the city the day before died down only to be replaced by new rumors concerning the Reborn and their proclivity towards violence Hmmm ... that was only to be expected. But still – the ones who attacked Glorfindel were *no* Reborn and no Tol Eressëans, if memory serves. Some people seem to have to be reminded of this – the Amaneldi are no angels, either!
I am glad Finrod convinced Haldir to fight the afternoon round in spite of what happened. And I was even more glad he was such a challenge to Finrod – the Prince certainly got his exercise! Somehow it made me happy for Haldir, even if he lost in the end.
Though I think you made a mistake near the end – you wrote that Aldarion, Aldundil and Ingwion won, but it is obvious that Aldarion can’t have been fighting. I think it should be Ardamirë, who was at the beginning of this part mentioned fighting Hallas. (Quite confusing, such a tournament, isn’t it? Had to draw a plan for myself to keep track of the fighters, or I'd be completely lost!)
Nice to see a bit of Elindis in this chapter; she’s a worthy High Queen. And of course I completely agree with her opinion about Finrod :-)
Author's reply
Hi Kitty. Thanks for pointing out the error. I have a chart of the tournament myself, but I must've been looking at the wrong section, plus it's hard to keep track with all these names that look and/or sound alike.*gri8n*
Anyway, as Finrod pointed out, Haldir *had* to fight that afternoon, whether it was against Finrod or someone else. It would be the only way for him to get past what had happened earlier and recover his self-esteem. Winning or losing was not the point, as far as Finrod was concerned. He was concerned about Haldir's state of mind and knew that going back into the list was the only thing for it. That is why the messages from Manwë and Námo.
Elindis likes to stay in the background, but every once in a while, she comes forward and says things or does things to remind you that she *is* High Queen of all the Elves of Aman. Even Ingwë has to be reminded of that once or twice a yéni. *grin*