elliska
· 20 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
The poor kids. They are so sweet and concerned about the boy they found. Legolas' reasoning for why not to tell adults really isn't too far off even from an adult perspective--the king and his troop commander really can't get involved with mannish deserters. But Thranduil and Ithilden might be sympathetic given that he's just a child. Hard to say but I imagine we'll find out because as Legolas observed, that boy is going to be an even harder pet to hide than the mice were. I really like that part of the story line though--I think it shows a really true part of Legolas' character.
And poor Eilian with the men and the twins. I like seeing how much more familiar with mannish customs the twins are. They definitely would be. They spend more time with them and Eilian is very young in this story still. But Eilian does a good job. With the men. The twins just aren't going to obey him regardless. It is funny to see him getting a taste of what his keeper must endure. I'm sure Maltanaur would be enjoying it too if it weren't for how much he was worrying about they danger the twins represent.
I also think you did a good job of showing the men of Esgaroth are different from the Rangers the twins are accustomed to. That was a cool point to make and clever to remember it.
The tension is building. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how these two situations are going to resolve themselves. Gee, do you think everything will just go to plan? No? :)
Author's reply
This story is supposed to be about Thranduil's relations with Men (with Imladris too, but mostly with Men), and you're supposed to see the theme in a minor way with Legolas and the boy. Actually, maybe you see it more there. Legolas's reaction is straightforward, uncomplicated by the weight of history that Thranduil knows -- the good and the bad that Thranduil has seen over the years and continues to see in the behavior of the Men of Esgaroth.
I had to spend a fair amount of time thinking about the differences among this group of warriors and also who would know what about the others. I rewrote that stuff several times before I was reasonably satisfied. And it turned out that just as groups of Elves can differ, so can groups of Men. I was pleased when I thought of that too!
Brenda G.
· 20 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Hi Daw. I'm enjoying your "Good Neighbors" story, although I have been quite tardy to review until now. I'm curious. Have you ever included the Elrond sons in any of your other stories? Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. "Walk softly and carry a big stick to beat Orcs to death with." That seems to be the theme of the twins. Maltaunar may wind up "keeping" more than just Eilian on this trip! I'm kind of anxious to see the three E's in action together. Another question: How old would Eilian be compared to the twins (which you indicate are a couple of thousand years old)?
Rodda is a source of much compassion and worry for me. My heart goes out to the kid. I side with Legolas and his apparent unease for his newly acquired human acquaintance. What in the world could Rodda have done that was bad? I'm hoping Rodda only thinks he did something bad, and that others, knowing the full circumstances, will not have cause to agree with Rodda's estimation of his own behavior.
Legolas is such a good kid. He's so young and yet already making himself responsible for others. Thranduil may not approve of what his youngest son is up to on the sly, but he surely cannot fault the driving force of that fiercely noble heart. There is a tender side to Turgon that crops up occasionally. I reread Prodial Sons recently and mourned his loss. I remember that once when Legolas was being punished by Thranduil in another one of your stories (when both he and Turgon were very young elflings), that Turgon walked up and put his arms around Legolas and hugged him big and hard right in front of everyone. He is a loveable rascal, and I miss him. Of course, Annael has always been a sweetheart, and I have always maintained that if I couldn't marry Legolas, then Annael would make a good second choice. I'm anxious to see how well Triple Trouble carry this thing with the human boy off and what the secret is that is making it hard for Rodda to keep his food down.
Well, I am fully and completely immersed in this tale and am anxious for the next chapter. Great story so far. Thanks much.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Author's reply
The sons of Elrond make a brief appearance in "Question of Duty," where, unfortunately, I say they meet Legolas for the first time. That's why they catch only a glimpse of him here. The twins were born in 130 TA, and in my world, Eilian was born in 2420. The year here is 2510. So Eilian is 90 and the twins are 2380. (Legolas is 30 and Ithilden is 630.) I like to speculate on how Elves related to one another once they were adults. It's hard to pin down actually. Did age continue to make a difference? Were they adults with the simple passage of years or did they need responsiblities too?
Rodda is a kid and at the moment, he's in need of real help of a kind the elflings can't give. They're doing their best but this is beyond them.
When I killed of Turgon, I hadn't written about him much yet. If I had, I'd never have been able to do it. He tugs at my heartstrings and his parents are so clueless!
Bodkin
· 20 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Those orcs are behaving very oddly - could lead to unexpected complications. I wonder if they are in league with some of the bad men. It could turn out to be a very good thing for all and sundry that the blood lust of E2 compelled Ithilden to send out his SWAT team.
You can see E2's age and experience with men here - but it's interesting to see that they are not as familiar with them as perhaps they thought. Rangers and Esgaroth men are not altogether the same, just as Wood Elves and those of Imladris are not the same. Eilian's familiarity with the forest and its ways is showing E2 that Ithilden has other reasons in addition to manipulation to put Eilian in charge - he does know his way round this kind of venture.
Do you think Celeborn can converse with trees? (And I can't imagine a tree that would dare refuse to communicate with Galadriel if she wanted a chat.) I don't think it would come naturally to Elrond and definitely not Glorfindel, so it might not be something E2 have tried to do. I think - for no real reason at all - that Elrohir might have a touch more ability that way than Elladan. Although whether the trees of Mirkwood would even consider communing with them, except in direst need, I doubt. Probably be as sniffy about the Noldor as the natives.
So it never crossed Lared's mind that Ithilden's request would be refused, eh? Why does that not surprise me?
I just love Maltanaur. What an elf! And I love watching Maltanaur watching Eilian struggle with the idea of trying to control E2. I'm just waiting for him to point out that his own trials with Eilian have been worse. Not that he would say it. But his brain is ticking.
Actually I hope (and I suspect I will not be disappointed) that this project will be less straightforward than it appears and that something happens that gets through E2's icy calm and control. They need a bit of emotional release - preferably not brought about simply by causing mass slaughter. Defending - rescuing - working for somebody's good rather than simply destroying.
And the elflings! They were pretty shocked at the idea that Rodda might be hanged for whatever had caused him to run. It's the first time they have been pushed up against cultural differences, except possibly in lessons. It makes it pretty impossible for them not to continue their aid. Legolas is never going to get him to allow them to rope in their adults - not even Eilian who sometimes disappoints his brother by acting like a grown up and frequently disappoints his father by acting like a kid.
Typical Turgon to deal with the problem of Amdir by shrugging off the risk and deciding that no-one would believe him anyway - and then letting him do what he wants. Turgon would make a good hippie. And Annael is gentle and nurturing. But they can't keep Rodda hidden for too long.
Great chapter. Looking forward to finding out what happens next!
Author's reply
Somewhere Tolkien says that the Orcs were cooperating with the Balchoth (although actually they were all cooperating with Sauron), so I'd say it's a good guess that that's what's up.
I'm having a good time trying to figure out all the differences within this group and who would know what about whom. The battle scene should be interesting. Eilian has never commanded this mixed a group. The whole routine I usually use -- trees first, go to the ground when you're out of arrows -- is not workable with this group. What to do?
I went back and forth about the twins and finally decided that Wood-elves had a connection to the trees that no-one else had and the twins are just not Silvan elves.
Maltanaur is probably getting a certain grim pleasure in watching Eilian be the one responsible for two wild ones. LOL. You know he's thinkings, "Serves you right!"
I love the elflings. They're acting out of the goodness of their hearts (and the sheet fun of what they're doing), but they just can't manage this.
Author Reply: Hey, Bodkin. I just got this from Dot:
"Oh, before I forget… In quiet moments at work this morning I decided to flick through some of your old reviews – something I hardly ever do but which is actually quite fun! – and at some point Bodkin asked the name of Siondel’s adar. Maybe she found out afterwards ‘cos I didn’t get very far in reading through them, but it’s Eärilas anyway. In “One Year in Mirkwood” he and Eilian go to Esgaroth and Eilian introduces him as “Siondel Eärilasion”."
So now we know!
esamen
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Hello -- another great chapter. Just the treat I needed at the end of the day. Some things that struck me as extraordinarily good:
He found Maltanaur too watching the twins. “Take care, Eilian,” Maltanaur murmured. “Those two strike me as a very bad mix of you and Ithilden at your worst.”
This so so wonderful. It paints an instant mind-picture of all four men! I think you are doing the twins extraordinarily well. They are deep, dangerous, gorgeous, compassionate, hurting, vulnerable. Awesome.
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Then he leaned his head back against the beech trunk and briefly closed his eyes. When he opened them again, his face had resumed the almost expressionless mask he usually wore. Across the fire, Eilian could see Elrohir watching them intently. “Very well.” Elladan rose and went off to sit near his brother.
Not only is the suspense about what's going to happen really building--I have to say that you are really distilling the essence of twin-hood here. I have four-year-old twin grandsons and that special twin-hood connection is amazing. It's fascinating and special to see. I admire the way you are writing the Elven twins' connection into the plot.
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Well, happy writing. You are such a lucky woman to have all these gorgeous hunks locked in your closet. Say hi for me next time you let them out to play.
Esamen
Author's reply
Wow, I really like that description of the twins: deep, dangerous, gorgeous, compassionate, hurting, vulnerable. All true. It's been interesting to write about them all from the outside like this. I decided I wouldn't get into their heads at all, just have others see them, and it's made them kind of mysterious.
I think the twins together are interesting here. They support one another but they also egg one another on. I think Elrohir might go home if Elladan weren't so set on staying, for instance. And in my head, Elladan is having a harder time voicing his feelings.
And can I also say that I want to be a grandma? I have pointed this out to my son and his girlfriend but they don't seem to get the point.
The Karenator
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
So Rodda's afraid of being greeted back in Esgaroth with a necktie party? He thinks he's running for his life. Even though he's a kid, he might have a point. Man has been known to do some pretty bizarre things and hanging kids might not be as farfetched as we would like to believe. I'd like to think that Rodda's overreacting a bit. The worst thing I can think of that he's done is being technically guilty of desertion. A kid running for his life is not exactly desertion in my book, but I, unfortunately, didn't write the Esgaroth Manuel of Military Conduct. Then again, desertion might not even be his problem.
“Those two strike me as a very bad mix of you and Ithilden at your worst.” Great line. Very descriptive. And it's one of those Maltanaur zingers that cuts right to the heart of the matter. The twins are a bad mix right now. They're barely hanging on by a thread. I get the feeling that they are merely humoring Eilian, and Eilian, of course, knows this too.
I groaned when I read this line:“You and Maltanaur move much more quickly through the trees,” Elladan said evenly. “And you would know how to manage the spiders too, should you and the Men come across them. We have no experience with them.” A little manipulative, are we? Elladan said evenly. Uh huh. Eilian didn't exactly fall for it, but recognizes that resistance is futile. The twins humoring Eilian seems at an end. Yep, the pot is ready to boil.
Well, I'm set and ready to go. I know the twins won't get themselves killed, but I see something stupid coming on.
Looking forward to the next chapter.
Karen
Author's reply
Poor Rodda. He's alone and frightened. He needs a good attorney!
Maltanaur always amuses me. He (like Beliond) is not afraid to speak his mind. I'd say the twins are not at all intimdated by their "captain," although they're trying to do what the Men need done. I can't forget that even though they're devastated, they have 2500 years of experience as warriors. There has to be an underlying layer of discipline that can't be completely shed.
I'm looking at writing a battle scene and groaning. You know how hard they are to do well. Too bad that the twins, Eilian, and probably the Men are all looking forward to kicking Orc butt.
Manderly
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Wow, that was tense! Ithilden is cunning in putting Eilian in charge - forces Eilian to reconsider his moves instead of leaping into danger. Funny how being responsible for others instantly changes your perspective of things. Eilian is getting a good look at how reckless he himself must appear to Maltanaur at times by watching the twins in action. I can't help but think that Maltanaur must be doing a bit of gloating even while he's probably getting an ulcer worrying how he will keep Eilian and the twins from leaping blindly into danger. All I can say is thank God Maltanaur is there with them.
It's interesting to see how really secluded the wood elves are from the rest of ME as evidenced by Eilian's unfamiliarity with the ways of Men, and his shock that the twins do not communicate with the trees.
And then there are the three elflings and the child fugitive. Poor Legolas. Even at such a tender age, he's already more perceptive to worries and responsibilities than the other two elflings. I suppose that comes with the territory of being the son of the king.
Author's reply
Maltanaur must be ready to beat his head against a tree and say, "Why me?" Although you're also right, that he's probably taking some secret satisfaction in watching Eilian squirm too. I do think that Eilian settles down a little when he's responsible for someone else. All of Thranduil's sons, even Eilian, have been raised to accept responsibility for others, as you see with Legolas.
I thought that Eilian would not have seen Men much. He's only 90 years old. I wrote in another story that he didn't leave the Woodland Realm until he was of age at 50, and soon after that he started serving in the Southern Patrol. So he just hasn't had the opportunity. The same would apply to Elves from other realms really.
Firnsarnien
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Ai! Amdir knows! *huge groan* Now they're in for it. It's almost a matter of time. Although, I find myself almost hoping they are found out. I don't like it when Leggy sneaks around and does things that will disappoint his father and brothers. It just seems, I don't know, off kilter. But, *sigh* he is young and I know he was not the little angel we all like to think he was when he was an Elfling. You've captured that wonderfully. That's one reason I like the way you write so much, there is such a sense of realism to your stories. You always make Legolas so, pardon the use of this word here, human. LOL I can just see Tolkien reading your stories while nodding approvingly the whole time. ;)
Ok, back to your regularly scheduled programming... I felt so badly for the men. I wonder how much of their friends they will actually get back. And poor that young wife. I don't think she'll want to see what's left of her husband. If she's lucky, maybe she'll get a belonging or two. *sniff*
OMG! The whole time I was reading what was going on with Eilian and the others, all I could think was...POOR Maltanaur. I can only imagine what's going through his mind. He's probably praying to Illuvitar that Eilian keep his head and not go off recklessly when the twins finally lose that tight thread of control they are barely managing to hold on to.
I also think it's funny that Eilian is trying so hard to be level headed instead of rushing off like he usually does. It's almost as if he's become Ithilden and the burden of responsibility to get the twins back in one piece is something he wants desparately to do. What a role reversal here! Now he's getting a small taste of what he put his family through when he was grieving.
You think if I scream at Eilian to NOT leave the twins alone, he'll hear me? That's not a good idea! Why didn't he leave Maltanaur with one of them and take the other? Even if Maltanaur would have objected. It would have been safer than leaving Elladan and Elrohir alone. I just know they're going to do something extremely stupid! Arg! Do hurry with an update! I'm on pins and needles here! And I'm crossing my fingers here...*looks around shyly to see if anyone is looking*...hoping for some good ol' fashioned Eilian or Legolas angst! ;)
Author's reply
Legolas is indeed doing something his father wouldn't like, but he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart. He's just in way over his head and beginning to know it.
I suspect there's not much of the Men left. I have to say that the fact that Orcs eat Men grosses me out. Ick.
You know, in one way, Maltanaur is probably have a terrible time, but in another way, he's probably enjoying watching Eilian suffer as the twins do some of the same things that Eilian himself does. But he is worried, and with good reasons too.
LOL. You're such an angst hound, Firnsarnien! Come on! Legolas and that boy are angsty. Eilian is just worried. I'll have to write the battle scene and see how they do.
sofia
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Go Maltanaur and Elrohir and Elladan and Eilian! As much as I love the twins, I think grief and revenge are overclouding their better judgement, but then again we do not know much about them. Just Like Eilian I keep wondering when the twins will reach the end of what they can control under Eilian's command and just outright attack the orc band. More soon!
-sofia
Author's reply
I'm having a hard time writing about the twins, Eilian, et al. They're all complicated characters. The twins are grief stricken but underneath it, they also have 2500 years of warrior training, so there has to be some underlying discipline there. And yet, they're not fully themselves either. It's hard to write about.
French Pony
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
I think I have just enough time to leave you a review before I have to skedaddle off to work (evening shift).
Would you be terribly surprised to know that not only do I completely understand the elfling don't-tell-the-grownups logic, but I still find myself thinking that way at times? Pathetic, considering that I'm twenty-eight. But one day, I will tell you about a spectacularly stupid decision that I and two of my friends made when I was eighteen that was based on precisely the logic that Legolas and his backup singers are using now.
Be interesting to find out what Rodda's done that's a hanging offense. I rather suspect that a) it isn't quite as bad as he thinks it is, and b) it's connected with the Orc attacks.
Speaking of which, Maltanaur must be getting his jollies on this mission. Specifically, the "I hope Eilian has a kid just like himself" jollies. It looks as though the sons of Elrond are going to be more of a hindrance than a help in any fight they get into. You think their tree-moving ability and maybe their night vision might be slightly impaired by their human heritage? It's a thought.
And Eilian learns that not everyone can hear the trees the way he can. But I'm a little confused. Doesn't he encounter this phenomenon again in the story about The Hobbit? Where they're assaulting the Necromancer, and Eilian meets Glorfindel and is wowed and then amazed that Glorfindel can't hear the trees? Or am I on crack again?
Author's reply
You're working too? That's hard. You need a vacation. And I look forward to hearing about the bad decision! It sounds to me as if you're figuring Rodda out. :-)
You made me laugh about Maltanaur. I have a place in my notes where I say that Eilian gets more sympathy for Maltanaur, but I didn't note Maltanaur's reaction. You're probably right that watching Eilian try to curb the twins' overenthusiasm must warm his heart in a cruel way.
I spent a fair amount of time trying to decide what the twins would be able to do or not. I'm just guessing really. And their human heritage complicates everything. They're so mixed even without it: lots of Noldor blood but grandpa Celeborn is Sindar. You're right about Glorfindel, and I probably should tone down the amazement there, given that he's seen the twins here. But that's Glorfindel! So maybe Eilian would be amazed anyway.
Alice
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
Eilian is so funny. I love how he's so, "C'est la vie" about Elladan refusing one of his orders. Unlike Ithilden or Thranduil who would have gone, " Excuse me?" in a really dangerous sort of voice and there would have been elvish glares flying faster than arrows.
I loved Maltaunar's observation about E2 being a mix between Ithilden and Eilian at their worsts.Maltaunar is smarter than I gave him credit for. Of course, it would require cunning, stubbornness, and the patience of the elvish equivalent of a saint. Wow. Maltaunar so deserves awesome pay and benefits. Also more time off with his wife.
I really liked how you magaged to show what Elrohir and Elladan would be going through by having Eilian's own blood lust come through and then pointing out that E2 would be even worse. Very smooth, very smooth.
I'm enjoying Eilian's interactions with the men. It's interesting to compare him to Ithilden and Legolas, who are both stellar diplomats. I loved how he talks to the men and the Sargent is like, yes captain and you can so tell that Eilian is a captain after the Sargeant's own heart. It's interesting to see Eilian make social blunders though. Bet that doesn't happen often.
The gang of three were so like themselves. That makes no sense, but they're just so in character. Legolas as their leader is trying to find out what's up and a way to deal with it, Turgon's keeping the adventure going as long as eh can, and Annael is being all motherly. Annael's a bit of a mother hen. He's the one who will bring you soup when you're sick. He is just a sweetheart. And I am probably so mortifying his adolescent self by saying these things. Poor baby.
I look forward to the next chapter! I have this image of Elladan and Elrohir just staring at the orc cave. It's kind of funny at first, but then it's like, ooh, that's intense and kind of, I don't know, creepy. Update soon!
Author's reply
LOL. Your picture of Ithilden or Thranduil with the twins is hilarious. And accurate, I think.
Maltanaur has a hard job, but you know, I think he secretly enjoys the adventures he gets to go on with Eilian. He probably wishes he could do those things but is too responsbible to just do them on his own.
I'm struggling with showing the twins. I feel like I have only a superficial knowledge of them, like I'm looking at them from outside, just like Eilian is. And I thought that Eilian was probably not in contact with men much, given his regular patrol. Once he spends a little more time in the Home Guard, he'll be better.
I love Annael. He's just exactly the kind of guy you hope your daughter brings home. He probably spends a lot of time following Turgon and Legolas and wringing his hands.
meckinock
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
These are Maltanaur and Eilian, our captain.” He slid his eyes toward Eilian, smiling blandly.
That was an eye roll if I ever saw one. Talk about Ithilden always getting what he wants. The twins managed to maneuver themselves into striking distance of their quarry and dispense with their babysitters without breaking a sweat. It's interesting to see how the twins' considerable familiarity with the Rangers is both a help and a hindrance ("What's wrong with these guys? They can't track for squat!")
Didn't Legolas & co. watch E.T.? The little sibling always gives up the goods...
Author's reply
So you think that "our captain" is a little sarcastic? Could be!
I'm tearing my hair out trying to decide who would know what here. And I vacillated back and forth about whether the twins would be good in trees. I'm making it up as I go along here!
This situation does bear a striking resemblance to ET actually! Good one.
Nilmandra
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
I like seeing this group of warriors through Eilian's eyes. He is unsure of some of their customs and strengths and weaknesses, and I also like seeing the 'Numenorian' differences in the Rangers that the twins are used to hunting with. All of these groups have to learn how to work together and Eilian is in an interesting position to do so. Fortunately, he has Maltanaur with him too!
Author's reply
Thank you, Nilmandra. I know I'm trying your patience here. It occurred to me that the Men the twins were used to would be unusually good at tracking and things, so they too might have something to learn about the Men of Esgaroth.
Maltanaur says hi. His wife is keeping her eye on you.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
A very tense chapter here - Eilian and the twins tracking the orcs was very good. I like the subtle differences between them - that the twins are so much more familiar with the customs and limitations of men, but surprised that Eilian can hear the trees.
I hope that the twins can restrain themselves until reinforcements arrive - I liked Eilian's observation here: 'That the sons of Elrond were under his command had always been a fiction. ' I also liked Maltanaur's comment that they were the worst mix of Eilian and Ithilden :)
What are the orcs up to? And what has Rodda done?
Jay
Author's reply
I'm having to really think about all the differences here. And I haven't even tried to take into account what would happen because the sons of Elrond aren't full-blooded elves. I mean, it seems to me that they're elfy enough, but Tolkien doesn't call them elves, I don't think. (Does he?)
I'm not sure we're ever going to find out what the Orcs' exact mission is because I suspect that no one is planning on taking any prisoners. :-)
Karri
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 7: Seeking a Hiding Place
It sounds like the whole lot (Legolas, Eilian and all their buds) are heading straight into trouble. Very good chapter. :-)
Author's reply
Thank you, Karri. I think that trouble is upon them, yes. But at least Eilian knows what the outcome of his trouble is supposed to be. :-)
White Wolf
· 19 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
I'm curious about Rodda's background. I'm thinking he's had a hard life. I felt so sorry for him, when he threw up. I remember the time Legolas had to work in the infirmary. Good detail to add.
You said you were going to have the twins get a glimpse of Legolas. I liked the way you handled it. I know Eilian wanted to hug him, but at that age, Legolas definitely would have been embarrassed.
I could just see Maltanour's expression when he showed up and found out where he was going and then said, "I am this one's keeper". I just had to laugh.
Author's reply
The Terrible Trio is curious about Rodda's background too. I feel bad for him. Imagine how frightened and lonely he is, hiding out in an empty cottage among elves.
That glimpse was fun to include. Maybe the twins will remember it someday. And poor Maltanaur! E3 is a bit of a handful. He must wonder what Ithilden is thinking to allow this.
robnrun
· 18 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
So glad to see another section being added to one of the most realistic and well sustained back stories for one of Tolkien's most difficult elves. Especially with the twins!
The issue of duty/responsibility seems to be a potential thread here among E3. One thing that has always struck me about the twins, and their responsibility towards Imladris, is the different nature of their home. It is very much the creation of a single elf as a refuge; it is not a city, kingdom, fief, or realm, it has a small centralized population. As such it wouldn't have the raft of domestic issues (and consequent levels of bureaucracy) which Lothlorien or Mirkwood has to deal with; nor the complex external issues which confront Mirkwood. Consequently the twins, even though they must have been well trained as diplomats, warriors, and probably scholars, would not have been required to be around in the same way that Thranduil's heirs would have been needed. In this case that lack of responsibility may not be a good thing.
However, I hope that you explore further the value that the twins can bring to Mirkwood (so often they are shown as naive, decadent, Noldor (in the negative) pranksters when in Mirkwood). But especially in relation to men the twins, because of their background, can potentially be far more flexible, tolerant, and given to improvisation in diplomatic relations than seems to be the case for the Mirkwood elves. Maybe Elian can teach them about grief and they can teach him (and Thranduil) about creative diplomacy?
Good work!
Author's reply
What an interesting analysis of what Rivendell was like and the effect on the twins. I had thought that would much more comfortable with men than Thranduil's sons were, and I had also thought it was probably unfortunate that they had to leave home to fight Orcs, because they could have used the support of their family. But I hadn't thought about the kind of responsibility they may or may not have had at home. That's a good point.
I'm not sure they're ready to be terribly flexible right now, because they're very focused, but they're certainly going to understand men better. I'm working on that now!
Thank you for the review.
Brazgirl
· 18 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
I am getting more and more curious about this Rodda boy! What happened to him? Why did he vomit?
I love the way you write the adults thinking about Legolas' dislike of public hugging!!!
Author's reply
Thanks, Brazgirl. Legolas is working on finding out more about Rodda, but the boy hesitates to tell the elflings much. I thought Legolas was at an age when he wouldn't want his family hugging him in front of his friends especially. My son would have been horrified if I had done that!
French Pony
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
I'm sorry I'm late with this. I've been kind of cranky all week, and today was a not-very-good day. I wish I had something more intelligent to say than that I really liked this chapter, especially the fencing drills (which I will have to walk through sometime), and that I really want three little Elflings or a nice wizard to take care of me sometimes.
Author's reply
It's a terrible time of the semester, but there's a small vacation coming soon and then a bigger one. We get the whole week of Thanksgiving off! Yay!
I'll send Little Legolas and his buddies over. Turgon may have to bring Amdir with him though. He's supposed to be 'watching' him. :-)
emjo
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
Hi Daw,
Just thought I would let you know how much I love this story! Legolas and Thranduil's shoe is kind of well... sweet. Keep up the good work!
Author's reply
Thank you, emjo. I'll confess I liked giving Legolas that memory of stroking his father's shoe. It seemed to me to suggest something of how much he relied on Thranduil after his mother died.
meckinock
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
Maltanaur looks a little skeptical about his Captain's ability to handle the twins, while Eilian just seems tickled to have somebody else filing the role of lightning rod for a change. It must be delightful for him to be in the company of someone more reckless than he is. Only I don't think anyone is quite prepared for the full fury of E2 unleashed...
Maltanur's disapproving looks aren't going to be any more successful intimidating E2 than Ithilden's orders did, I suspect. These guys are a couple thousand years old, not accustomed to taking orders, and not quite in their right minds at the moment. Gandalf knows this and he seems awfully complacent -- wonder what his plan is. He has to have one...right?
It's so darned hard to be Legolas, isn't it? He tries so HARD to be good, but his judgment always veers ever so slightly off course...with a little help from his friends. It's comical how their treating Rodda like a baby bird that fell out of its nest. I hope it was just the apples that made him barf.
Author's reply
I think Eilian is looking forward to going after the Orcs but he may find that it's not as much fun as he thinks it will be. Or maybe it will that much fun. That would be kind of scary, actually. I think E2 are more or less humoring him right now.
I'm not sure how fully formed Gandalf's plans are. He found the twins and could talk them into going with him and he thought that the experience of Thranduil's sons might be enlightening for them. But maybe they're not ready to be enlightened just yet.
The elflings are treating Rodda exactly like a stray animal. Annael pets him and Turgon announces they have to feed him. I'm thinking that they won't be able to keep him though. :-)
Dot
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
What a thoroughly enjoyable chapter this was! We got a little bit about everyone.
I had completely forgotten about Maltanaur! That scene in the stable was just great. He’s so suspicious about this excursion. Like Eilian would *ever* do anything that Ithilden mightn’t like…;-) I kind of feel sorry for his wife, actually. He must never be at home unless either he or Eilian is injured. It seems he isn’t exactly impressed by the twins, or Elladan at any rate. I suppose he’s not used to having to stand on ceremony even around Mirkwood’s royal family and probably wouldn’t relish serving under these two, who aren’t exactly at their most approachable right now. Plus, if he’s seen them on the training field then he’s probably recognised heightened emotion in them and has a fair idea of what could happen when his own sometimes-reckless charge ventures off in search of Orcs with them. I can almost hear him wondering to himself whether it’d be better to have Eilian or this rather arrogant elf in charge. He’s so funny too, though and it’s so obvious how fond he is of Eilian.
“If you three are plotting something, you will have to learn to look cooler than that!” Those elflings are hilarious. They’re lucky ‘twas Eilian who came across them and not Ithilden or Thranduil. Poor Legolas, though. I completely understand why his family try to shelter him from the world but sometimes he probably is better off knowing what’s going on rather than trying to piece it all together himself. He’s not stupid, in fact he’s quite perceptive, and he knows that Eilian is more than likely going to be in a dangerous situation. The love between the two brothers is always just so heart-warming to see. And Legolas really is the anchor that Eilian needs. I think that more than just learning how important family is, particularly in times of trouble, Eilian has really learned to see his own worth in their eyes. I would say that’s something that Elladan and Elrohir also need to realise. And while we all probably feel a certain sense of victimisation when bad things happen and it’s natural to become somewhat self-absorbed or try to find something to conquer the sense of futility, it’s probably good to remember that we aren’t alone and to draw comfort from those who offer it. Plus, the twins can look at Thranduil’s family and see that it’s possible for life to go on. Of course, in a way it was easier for Eilian and his family because Legolas was a small child with needs and wants that had to be looked after. The twins don’t have that. Maybe they just need to get to the stage where they realise that even if they don’t think they need to be at home, their father needs them to be there. I don’t know. I just feel so bad for them. And I still think Eilian could help them.
It’s just fascinating to watch Legolas as this elfling who is totally enthralled by Mithrandir and the tales he has to tale and longing to meet the “legendary figures” in them when we know the journey they’ll eventually face together. I loved the little memory of Legolas with his hand on his father’s shoe. I remember something about how he wouldn’t leave his father’s side for a long time after his mother died and would play at his feet, sometimes patting his shoe. So sad. He seems to remember the moment, though, rather than the feelings that went with it.
For all that Legolas thinks his father almost reads his thoughts sometimes, he himself is quite good at reading his family’s behaviour. I thought it was rather interesting that he doesn’t think Thranduil and Ithilden quarrel. I suppose any disagreements they have are about work and both of them are well used to leaving it behind them at the end of the day. It’s funny that Ithilden is really the one person who’ll stand up to Thranduil, and he’s also the only one who never really gets on the wrong side of his father. I suppose it’s all a matter of respect, really. So it must have been some scene in Thranduil’s office if there’s still tension between them. Thranduil seems to be growing less and less infatuated of men by the day. He’s a wise and wily elf and a great king to his people but Thranduil does have the weight of history to affect him. It makes me wonder, if he didn’t have Ithilden would Mirkwood have been even more isolated. Thranduil probably does know the worth of men but it mustn’t help matters that one of his sons is now possibly in danger because he’s gone to help them. What struck me, though, was that he neither questions nor dismisses Elrond’s foresight. It’s quite amazing sometimes the things that they accept. But Thranduil does seem to accept men will take over as the time of the elves ends. It’s a real reminder of the agelessness of elves and their understanding of the overall nature of life. He knows things will change. He’s just going down fighting, I guess.
LOL at Legolas carrying a sack full of apples next to his brother and Ithilden not even noticing! I’m still laughing at that… But the poor thing really seems to be going slowly mad when it comes to Alfirin. It’s like she’s the one thing missing in his life. I do love the slight departures now and then from competent and capable Ithilden to dreamy and slightly clueless Ithilden. Of course, he has probably has other things on his mind as well.
Flippin’ Galelas and that irritating brother of his… Tinár obviously doesn’t have a protective bone in his body and now Legolas knows that Orcs were about and that the incident is probably not unrelated Eilian going off on a “special mission”. Oh well, that was bound to happen, I suppose. That sword lesson was interesting. It sounds like it would actually be very graceful to watch once they’ve become more skilled. I’m going to be so very knowledgeable by the end of this story about arrows, woodcraft and swords…;-)
Turgon seems to be thoroughly enjoying their little adventure with Rodda. It’s quite touching to see how they care for the boy and do their best to bring him food. That child is never going to get any rest, though. He must be constantly on edge. I get the impression that he’s someone who’s seen more than anyone should have, especially a child. I’m dying to know what his story is. And he’s sick now too – and possibly from more than gulping down apples. He seems to be utterly miserable. Turgon just doesn’t have the sense not to push matters that the boy obviously doesn’t want to discuss. Those elflings are in way over their heads, despite their good intentions. I thought it was good of Legolas to clean up, although I suppose he does know how to do it by now. You do know you have a recurring vomit, uh, motif in your stories, don’t you??! Darn Amdir! Doesn’t he have any friends of his own?! I was just hoping we’d find something out and all. Maybe next time…
I really did enjoy this chapter. It gave me a lot to think about too. This is such a great story. :-)
Author's reply
I almost forgot about Maltanaur too! Now that would have been hard to explain. As it is, he's not happy about E2, probably seeing them as a bad influence and possible source of dangerous suggestions. He's into protective mode immediately, and Eilian knows it and thinks it's funny. Bad Eilian!
I think you're right that Eilian has been really saved by the presence of Legolas. Legolas loves him unconditionally and openly needs him. I think Eilian is both flattered and made more sensible by that. And I think that's exactly the kind of thing the twins need. They can keep on being warriors. More power to them. But they need to find their better selves again and be able to see their father's and sister's needs too.
In my opinion, Ithilden has been very successful in achieving an adult relationship with his father, which Eilian has not done yet. Bodkin suggests that's because he had his mother around for a good long time and was fully adult when she died. Eilian was only 70 when that happened. I'm very interested in the weight of history that you mention. I have some stuff about it in my notes for this story. I think that the younger generation is not weighed down by it and that helps them move forward. Even Ithilden, who is rather rigid, is much more willing to deal with dwarves and take men as allies.
I've kind of gotten carried away with research for this story. First I did all the Tolkien history stuff and then all the woodcraft etc. I love it. It makes things seem so much more real to me.
The elflings treat the boy rather like a stray animal they want to keep as a pet, but I think it's dawning on Legolas at least that Rodda needs real help.
Alice
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
Ithilden's going to have to figure out other places where Alfirin hangs out. Their younger brothers' newly developed hostility towards being walked to the training fields is putting a crimp in their relationship. I kind of wonder if Alfirin didn't start walking Tonduil because of the possibility of a certain Troop commander's presence. At least their younger brothers are getting more attention out of the deal.
Amdir is so funny. I had fun picturing the looks of horror on Turgon and the gang's faces when they heard Amdir knock. Typical little brother behavior, thrusting yourself in where you're not wanted.
I'm enjoying Maltaunar's presence. I like how he referred to Eilian as Captain. Smart move, reinforcing who's in command. I feel bad for Maltaunar's wife though. She had plans for him darn it.
I look forward to the next chapter, and seeing how long Legolas and the gang can keep their little friend a secret. Not long I'll wager. Update soon!
Author's reply
I think your suspicions about Alfirin's motives are well founded! Ithilden might consider approaching her more directly, but he does that by the time we get to "My Brother's Keeper," so I have to move slowly here, more's the pity.
I thought Amdir was typical little sib too. He probably adores Turgon and his friends and wishes they would play with him.
You're making me laugh about Maltanaur's wife. I wonder just what her plans included?
sofia
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
When Thranduil finds out about the boy, and I'm sure in time he will, he will not be a happy elf. I think the boy ate too much too fast and that caused him to vomit. Its nice to read about a brothers caring for their other brothers. My brothers certainly don't act that way towards me.
-sofia
Author's reply
I do love the way Ithilden and Eilian especially treat Legolas. I think it might easier for them to be loving because they're far apart in age, so they don't see the little brother as threatening and bothersome in the same way humans only a few years apart might. My brother never treated me as nicely when we were kids either, and I'm sure I was mean to my little sister.
thechevin
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
Oh how I loved this chapter from Malantaur's opinions on certain 'Captains'he did it so well too so that the sons of Elrond might miss the real meaning of hiswords but Eilian most certinly would not I am glad that Ithilden insisted on his presence if anyone can keep them out of trouble it is Malantaur even the twins seem to recognise his authority perhaps he reminds them of Glorfindel!
And Legolas half remembering Mithrandir how sad this was!
As well as our human refugee I don't think the elflings can keep him quiet much longer. Did Legolas hand over one of his peacock fletched arrows? If he did that is surely going to land him in trouble there cannot be many other arrows with that particualr feather fletching the same applies to the other two elflings as well
How I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting of Thranduil and Ithilden no wonder Legolas discarded the idea that they had been arguing Eilian yes Ithilden no!
wonderful chapter
Judy
Author's reply
I'm thinking that Maltanaur is most concerned with making sure that Eilian comes back in one piece. He's probably like to return the twins unharmed too because he's a good guy and besides he doesn't want to have to write a letter to Elrond explaining how one or both of them became Orc bait. But his real concern is, as always, Eilian.
I was very pleased when Legolas's memory of Mithrandir surfaced for me as I thought about how he must smell and remembered the claim that smell is a very strong evoker of memory. I did like the image of him keeping in touch with his father (literally). As the sole parent, Thranduil is so central in his life.
The kids aren't using their own arrows yet, so they gave Rodda the standard training arrows. But he has only three (one from each elfling) and I don't think he has enough. :-)
It was fun to write about Legolas seeing but not believing that there was tension between his father and oldest brother. Glad you liked the chapter, Judy.
Bodkin
· 17 November 2004
· Chapter 6: Comings and Goings
'Actually, he's amazing because he's been able to separate from his strong father to become a person with ideas of his own who yet usually gets along with that father. He's willing to differ with Thranduil. I wonder how he got to be that way.'
Largely, I think, Naneth.