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Celuwen's Begetting Day  by daw the minstrel 21 Review(s)
Estel_Mi_OlorReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
Congratulations, Daw, on another great fic. How do you manage to write them so quickly? And your OC's were very well done, and fit in completely with the original characters. I have become so involved in your writing that I am beginning to see Eilian and Ithilden as original Tolkien characters! I loved the setting of this fic, the unsettling years after childhood and before adulthood, adolescence. Good grief look at me, I sound like some politcally correct health teacher-they are big bad teenagers! I also liked Eilian's gift to Celuwen. Let me see if I got the symbolism straight: the new chemise represents a delicate maiden, which Celuwen will grow into be. The stone necklace represents the child Celuwen, who played with Eilian and Gelmir more often that with other ellyth. Since Celuwen put the necklace in the back of her drawer with other childish baubles, she has chosen to grow up and be a maiden. There, was that semi-correct? I love looking for hidden meaning, but sometimes, I rather overdo it. Let me know. Thanks again for this fic, and I eagerly await a new one from you. (Probably in record time, too).

Author Reply: I think your analysis is pretty good, Estel! The only thing I would say is that the necklace isn't exactly childish, even though she puts it away for now. It's sort of in between childhood and adulthood, just as Celuwen is. It's a decorative thing and sort of girly, but it's also masculine in its use of leather and stone. It's Eilian. It's what he can give her now and the promise of the future. But it's not what she needs now.

And maybe now I'm the one overdoing it!

Thank you for the review.

Rose SaredReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
Only you, only you could make a story with almost entirely OC's as readable as any engrossing fan-fic. i am very jealous!
Lovely tale with some nice back story,I do like your elves, they are so real.
Do it more, do it often.

Author Reply: Thank you, Rose. When I finished this today, I suddenly realized how OC it was. I might as well have written an original fic! I don't think I'm going to get any new readers with this one.

But Nilmandra liked it, so that's what mattered.

sofiaReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
Oh, how cute. At first, I thought Eilian and Gelmir didnt know about her begetting day, but then it made sense. I wonder if she still has the necklace.

Author Reply: Thank you, Sofia. I expect she does still have the necklace somewhere about! I think she was starting to love him even then, but just wasn't quite ready for it yet.

Elena TirielReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
Oh, and I forgot to mention: I just *love* that Eilian and Gelmir played truant to play with Celuwen on her begetting day!

Their loyalty and friendship to her are touching...

- Barbara

Author Reply: They are good friends. In trouble all the time, but good friends!

Elena TirielReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
Lovely story, Daw! I like it!

Ahhh, the pre-teen/teenage years, when everything gets so... awkward... and confusing...

(and knickknacks keep getting in the way of elbows... that's a memory I could have done without, thank you very much.)

- Barbara

former Tomboy wannabe and still a lover of comfortable clothes, even if the rest of the world doesn't think them seemly for a woman...

P.S. Spotted a typo:
*Gemir* and Eilian were her best friends, but they could be exhausting.

Author Reply: Many of us can identify with Celuwen on that one, I think. I still refuse to wear painful clothes. What is the point of that????

Thank you for pointing out the typo. I fixed it on SoA, where it's easy to do. is just going to have to stay that way.

lwarrenReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
An excellent little peek at two of your characters I have become quite fond of. Elian is so adept at getting himself into tight spots, but Celuwen seems more than able to keep up, even tho' she wishes he'd use some common sense. :) ! Adolescence is such a tough time - I almost moved up to teach a grade of adolescents, but regained my sanity in the nick of time! LOL My heart goes out to the parents of those three...they keep the elders on their toes, don't they? Great little story - three cheers for Celuwen beating Elian at his own game *bg*. Any more little jewels like this in hiding somewhere, hmmmm? ;) (Hope springs eternally...)

(Happy birthday to Nilmandra...)

Author Reply: You can kind of see why Celuwen's parents weren't enthusiastic about her hanging out with the boys (and why Gelmir's parents might shake their heads too). Celuwen is not about to make herself less so that Eilian can believe himself more.

This is the only thing I have right now although I should have another story going by next week, I think. :-)

nessieReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
Awww! Was Legolas born yet in this one? So, what's the human age for an Elf that's 35? Glad you posted another story, get writing on a new one fast! Loved this! I love Gelmir too! But sometimes I want him to best Eilian at something, but what do you think it would be? Well anyhoo, gotta go pack for Wisconsin!


Author Reply: Legolas is not born yet and won't be for another 25 years. A 35 year old elf is more or less the equivalent of a 14 year old. You figure about 2 1/2 years of elf age equals one year of human age. So you multiply 14 by 2.5 and you get 35.

You know, I considered having Gelmir win the knife contest, but I wanted Celuwen to beat Eilian and I didn't think he should lose all the matches!

Have a good time in Wisconsin.

tigerlily713Reviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
I hope this is not a one-shot, I am very much enjoying this innocent and fun side of our little soldiers. Great job, Lily

Author Reply: It is a one-shot, Lily. It's a birthday fic for Nilmandra. I'm glad you liked it. The kids are having a good time, and Celuwen is gradually realizing that she's a girl!

Tapetum LucidumReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
That was a fun, relaxing day. Good job building on Celuwen and Eilian's relationship. They clearly started out as buddies and their relationship grew from there. I think my favorite thing was that Gelmir's mother considered Eilian the troublemaker. He is Gelmir's Turgon. That had me cracking up! I hope she wears the chemise for Eilian before too long...

Author Reply: Eilian IS Gelmir's Turgon! Isn't that a terrible thought? But Eilian had more attentive parents than Turgon did, thank goodness.

I don't think Eilian is looking at Celuwen in her chemise for a good many years yet. He's still young enough to make fun of girls who are finicky.

ManderlyReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/28/2004
That was so wonderful! I can almost feel the raging hormones as I read the story. The awkwardness of adolescent is so bittersweet. Eilian and Celuwen are made for each other, both are blessed (or cursed if you are their parents) with the devil may care attitude. I can't quite remember, but was there a point in your stories at which they both realize that they are in love with each other? You'd think I should be able to answer that question myself as I have read and re-read all your stories so many times, but senility strikes.

Apparently Celuwen is quite skilled with knives. I think she would have made a good warrior. Do elleths train as warriors? I wonder.

Author Reply: I think that Eilian and Celuwen approached one another and drew apart repeatedly as adolescents. We see a little of that in the flashback parts of "Sacrifice under Shadow." But I think they really knew they loved one another in "When Shadow Touches Home." They meet again after a long time and Eilian, at least, would like to bond.

As for whether ellyth train as warriors, Tolkien says that elves made less difference between what males and females did than we do, so it's possible to say they did. I chose not to have female warriors in my stories simply because Tolkien never shows them except for Eowyn (although I suppose you could argue that Galadriel is a female warrior).

I thought that the elves of Mirkwood would be particularly careful about females because their population was so decimated at the Last Alliance.

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