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Prince Valium?  by Marnie 16 Review(s)
IthilielReviewed Chapter: 1 on 5/13/2016
Thank goodness that I came here! I'm so glad I found someone who thinks as I do. I don't like very much how the movies showed Celeborn, though I watched them first and then read the book. It was precisely because of what he said about Gimli and Gandalf that I kinda fell in love with him. As you've already pointed out, he's not to be compared to Elrond or Galadriel, because how can you compare an apple and a bear? They are both fruits, but, well, that's that. There are elves and elves. I love both of your essays so much! And I totally agree with everything you say in here. What I read about him in fanfiction could bring me to tears sometimes...so all hail that tall fellow!

AthrabethReviewed Chapter: 1 on 1/19/2015
Thank you for writing this! It's been so long since I've read LotR I've honestly forgotten all but the gist of it...and Celeborn was one of the many characters I'd just never given much thought.

I especially like your point about him being the only elf who seems really "alive." Also, the idea that he only seems weak in light of modern sexism (which thinks that no "real man" would be okay marrying a stronger, more famous woman) is also accurate, I think.

I definitely have a new appreciation for Celeborn now..!

AiwenReviewed Chapter: 1 on 3/25/2010
I have to agree with your assessment of Celeborn. Very definitely not Valium-afflicted.

Author Reply: Thanks Aiwen! I wouldn't have quibbled with "rude", but I don't know where everyone gets the idea that he's calm from :)

green.laochReviewed Chapter: 1 on 9/24/2009
Again, not come off as creepy with more compliments, well done analysis of Celeborn. I read your other one too "The Tall Fellow next to Galadriel." I'm just starting to get into fan fiction and the relationship between them has always intrigued me because there isn't much lore said about him. I certainly was turned off of his depiction of the character in the movies, but I still held him in my thoughts as someone who possessed the same capacity of intelligence and wisdom, if not more, than Galadriel- certainly this powerful woman needs a stabilizer in her own way, I didn't see her as a person who looked for a trophy husband, seems to shallow and her character is anything but. Your story and essays helped me realize him in a new light, as I never considered his background before and indeed the conflicts it would bring with hers.

Thanks a bunch! Keep it up!
Dom

Author Reply: *G* Thank you! And I never think compliments about my writing are creepy :) I'm particularly happy that my essays and story are helping you to get a grip on the character of Celeborn! When I started in the fandom, he was rather despised, so I think he needs his supporters to counteract that.

I suppose I see Celeborn and Galadriel as being a mixed marriage. A bit as though a high ranking Englishwoman had gone to India and married an Indian prince there - and now they have to negotiate the ructions that marriage causes, with her people looking down on him, and his people thinking he's a traitor to them. The mystical powers don't quite fit the analogy, but you can't have everything!

Thank you!

Marnie :)

whitewaveReviewed Chapter: 1 on 12/17/2008
This is a very enjoyable read, I like your incisive analysis of the scenes in the LOTR to show us the real Celeborn. I agree with all your points--a simple, absent-minded elf cannot possibly court, or be in a lasting marriage with a strong Noldo like Galadriel. It was a shame that we saw so little of him in the books and the movie.

Author Reply: Thanks Whitewave! I'm afraid it's pretty obvious that Celeborn is my favourite elf, so it was a bit of a downer for me to start in a fandom which thought of him as a non-entity. That's what got me into the whole Sindar v. Noldor question and examining the very Western colonialist attitude of the Valinorean elves. I don't think he's as disparaged in the fandom as he used to be, any more, thank goodness :)

alyaReviewed Chapter: 1 on 4/15/2006
I wonder if the old saying "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt" might apply. ;-)

Author Reply: I prefer to think of it this way; you don't have to be polite in order to be right. And in the spirit of that conclusion, if you comment only in order to mock, I would prefer that you didn't bother at all.

alyaReviewed Chapter: 1 on 4/15/2006

SphinxReviewed Chapter: 1 on 7/3/2004
It's ALWAYS fun to read this. 'That Tall Fellow' catapulted me into a full-scale Cel-fangirl, and this simply reinforces it. Gret work, once again.

And written perfectly in the tone Celeborn would have liked. :D

Author Reply: Thanks for the review, Sphinx! Nice to have you back :) I'm glad you liked this one - I suspect the tone was more influenced by my muse than I suspected; somewhat more confrontational than my usual style.

Sigil GalenReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/17/2004
Spot-on analysis of such a misunderstood character. I see now why I always adore your Celeborn--you really GET him completely. :) You know, I've always adored him myself, in part because of something you mentioned. Can you imagine what kind of self-possession he must have to be husband to Galadriel (and successfully it would seem) for thousands of years? That does not indicate a lack of character, to my way of thinking. Nicely done!

Author Reply: Thanks, Sigil Galen! Wow, I am chuffed that you think I 'get' Celeborn. I think I'd probably say that he got me :) He arrived in my head, bringing 'Those Who Remain' almost fully formed with him, and settled down as my muse as though he owned the place.

But yes, I'm not surprised, after 7 millenia with Galadriel, that someone like Boromir can't ruffle his feathers ;)

Oh, and welcome to HA, btw. I lurk there mainly. It's a good place, but for feedback, Stories of Arda is better.

NilmandraReviewed Chapter: 1 on 6/16/2004
Wonderful job again, Marnie! I need no convincing that Celeborn was indeed Wise and Powerful. My Celeborn doesn't quite stack up as well as yours (he is incredible) but I am in full agreement that he is not dull nor Galadriel's sidekck. I happen to like Galadriel - she is an unusual female, probably in both Middle-earth and in Valinor - and I do think she chose well her husband. Celeborn is secure in his masculinity in choosing a wife who is powerful and bossy. She doesn't intimidate him.

Again, great job. You are indeed the number one bard to Celeborn the Wise.

Author Reply: Thanks for the review, Nilmandra! In this current dearth of Celeborn stories it's History Lessons 2 (and Bodkin's Valinor series) which is keeping me sane. I do like your Celeborn, and your Galadriel is probably closer to canon than mine, as I had to tone her down before I could bear her ;) (It's not the power, so much as the way she has of making sure everybody knows about it :) )

But you're right - every male in Middle-earth seems to be either terrified of Galadriel (the Rohirrim) or her ardent worshipper. Celeborn must have something special about him not to fall into either camp.

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