Edlyn
· 23 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
This was very, very funny, meldonya! Especially after spending a good portion of the morning laboring over participles and an adaptation of Vergilius' Eclogue 4.
The last line is perfect.
Edlyn
Author's reply
Thanks, Edlyn. I'm glad you enjoyed this, especially the last line. I suspect that the Dwarves of Aglarond and the Elves of Ithilien got used to seeing those two teasing each other in this manner. *grin*
Kaylee
· 23 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Ai, meldonya!
I'm striving to keep my laughter in my mind only, as 1) it's just past 1 AM and my mother would wake if I didn't, and 2) I just returned from the hospital last evening with sixteen staples in my abdomen, and I don't want to aggravate them any more than they are. This was an absolute gem to come home to, and I appreciate it very much!
"Gimli's Blankie." Hah! That was too good. And a naked Legolas...who wouldn't want that? *brilliantly wicked smile* Now I need to go read that Naked Yule fic again...but first, back to bed to see if I can sleep.
Tye-melin,
Kaylee!
Author's reply
Staples in your abdomen... ugh! I hope you are doing better now, Kaylee. They say laughter is the best medicine but sometimes it hurts more than it should. *grin* Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed this one. Thanks for letting me know.
Kitty
· 21 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Oh, that was just hilarious! These language games can be fun, and when you do play that with three different races, it is bound to be interesting. And you will always find the exception to the rule to irritate the other, as Aragorn is doing *grin*
Really, 'apron' is bad enough, but 'Gimli's blankie' is even worse *ROFL* So in the end, Legolas had the last word ;) It was great to see these three having so much fun!
Author's reply
Thanks, Kitty. I'm glad you had fun with this one. Thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it. And of course Legolas has the last word... he's an Elf after all. *lol*
Elflingimp
· 21 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Ha!Ha! Thanks for the good laugh,it seems The ELF always wins the word games! LOL! Hugs The Imp
Author's reply
You're welcome, Elflingimp. I'm glad you enjoyed this one. Thanks for letting me know. I really appreciate it. Hugs back.
Larner
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Nah, it's not quite as precise a language as Legolas would have Gimli believe. Heh!
Nice smirks generated.
Author's reply
Glad you enjoyed this one, Larner. Thanks for letting me know.
Independence1776
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
*snorts* I love this. Wordplay is always fun. :D
"I know those who were," was his only comment and both Aragorn and Gimli blanched at the implications of those words, giving each other uneasy looks. Eep. Though there is a chance Aragorn knows one or two, depending on the Exiles, etc. But to hear Legolas say that, when he's normally thought of as a lot younger…
Though I do have to say that I despair of ever learning enough Sindarin to understand more than words here and there. (I've been neglecting it.)
Author's reply
Hi, Indy. Yes, wordplay is always fun (and funny).
Legolas is, of course, young by Elvish standards, but yes, it's rather unnerving to think that he personally knows people (Círdan comes readily to mind, for instance) who were there at the very beginning of the Elves' existence. Gives him a truly other-worldly aura.
And don't despair about learning Sindarin. It's not an easy language to learn and I don't claim to be an expert in it myself. That's why I put translations at the end of stories and chapters where Elvish is spoken. *grin*
Sunny
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 50: MEMORIAL: Carved in Stone
Poor Legolas. Being an Elf, he wouldn’t be able to truly grok mortality. And yet, with the death of Gimli (and earlier, the deaths of Aragorn and other mortal friends), he has to deal with it, somehow.
Whether Olórin has been sent by one of the Valar – or pointed in Legolas' direction by Elrond – or he has come of his own accord; whoever originated this visit certainly knew that Legolas would need counseling. And Olórin would – with his peculiar background – be suited to the job: An Immortal who would have _had_ to deal with Mortals – and the loss of cherished friends.
And Olórin has the right of it: the most permanent memorial is in Legolas’ heart. Not the transitory (to Elven perceptions) medium of stone.
Author's reply
I have no idea who sent Olórin though I suspect it was a combination of the Valar and Elrond as well as Olórin's own compassion that brought him to Legolas. The fact that the Maia is the *third* person that day to ask what Legolas was doing points to the possibility that the first two visitors went to the Valar aksing for help. And, of course, they would have sent Olórin with his unique experiences dealing with the loss of Mortals. I'm sure Olórin was very helpful in aiding Leoglas through the grief process.
Sunny
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Language is _fun_!!! And watching someone having fun with language is almost as much fun.
So long as that someone has the necessary skills, that is. ;-)
Hmmm. This makes me want to go and haul Eric Flint’s _Pyramid_ books off the shelves – just for the sake of the puns. Oh, yes, I definitely think I will – as soon as I have finished _Regenesis_ by Cherryh, which is one of the books I got from Amazon on Thursday. (Currently enjoying my bibliophilia – or is it bibliomania? – to the max)
Author's reply
Glad you had fun with this one, Sunny.
Bibliophilia... bibliomania... is there a difference? *lol* Enjoy your reading. I'm presently reading R.A. Salvatore's 'Dark Elf Trilogy' (Forgotten Realms) and Elizabeth Haydon's 'Rhapsody'.
Sitara
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
A little gem, this week's story. A very enjoyable piece of mischief and lightness that got even me smiling. "grin". I recalled that part from "Elf, Interrupted" when a Teler learns his first words in Sindarin and unfortunately for him, his teachers are Findarato and Laurendil. "laughing"
A very clever use of words, congratulations. Legolas' reactions are priceless, as well as Gimli's skill to names calling. Aragorn is taking advantage of his knowledge of Sindarin language but, as long as the result is a beautiful moment such as the one that ends your story, nobody should be angry. "smile". The sight of the Dwarf Lord of Aglarond, the Elven Lord of Ithilien and the King of Men playing like children is absolutely precious. Thank you, Fiondil. A story such as yours was very much needed for me these days.
And (I cannot help myself, you know) I'm still going to notice the moment when both Dwarf and Men felt once again that their friend belongs to another world. They are Mortal, he is Immortal. But , fortunately for them, they didn't let this to spoil the moment. Even as they all know that their time together will come to an end, as can be noticed from both Aragorn' and Gimli's reactions.
However, I'll try to ignore Legolas' comments about Elven loremasters and leave, even for one day, the past to rest. "grinning" No inquiry whatsoever this time. Just enjoy the fun.
Author's reply
Hi, Sitara. I'm glad you enjoyed this little piece of 'mischief and lightness', as you put it, and that it brightened your day. It's fun writing about these three friends, though I don't do it very often. Thanks for reviewing. I appreciate it.
Natalie
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Wonderful piece, I thought I was going to die from laughter when Aragorn said: "Éomer ’ar higil na Legolas lanc." *chuckles* Such linguistic differences in meaning are always funny... as long as you know them :)
The whole thing made me think about French. For example, "mon propre enfant" and "mon enfant propre" mean: "my own child" and "my clean child". And there are tons of adjectives with double meaning, depending on the order. I am so glad we don't have anything like this in Polish... Not that I can think of. *grin*
Anyway, this was awesome! A perfect beginning of the weekend. Thank you!
Author's reply
Hi, Natalie. I thought that particular line was pretty funny too and the image it creates.... *lol* Anyway, just about every language has similar types of amibuities that can get non-native speakers into trouble (and sometimes even native speakers who are not paying attention). I'm glad this story amused you. Thanks for letting me know.
Ces
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Great story to read during lunch! People did ask me what I was laughing at though!
Any banter between Legolas and Gimli is funny and this is no exception. Especially when Legolas reminds them that it was the elves that gave voice to words. Still, Gimli has to try and have the last word - a thing that is hard to do with elves I think.
I do hope you write more Legolas stories - I have enjoyed those that showcase him. Maybe you can prompt your Muse to write a Namo checking up on Legolas story?
Ces
Author's reply
Hi, Ces. I'm glad you enjoyed this story. There will actually be another Tapestry story featuring Legolas coming up in a couple of weeks, so you will get your wish sooner than you thought. *grin* Whatever other Legolas stories there may be out there is up to the Muae, but I'm sure there will be others. Thanks for your review. I appreciate it.
6336
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
Oh this was funny! No language is truely precise, a lot of words mean diffrant things to diffrant people, baste(in sewing) and baste(in cooking) comes to mind and I am sure if I think about it a bit I can come up with more!
Like the idea of a naked Legolas, but I would not be holding a knife to his throat, more like handing him a blankie, but not Gimili's!Sigh!
More please,
Lynda
Author's reply
Hi, Lynda. You're right... no language is truely precise and that's what makes any language interesting and fun (and funny). I'm sure many readers like the idea of a naked Legolas under any circumstances. Poor ellon! *lol* Thanks for reviewing. I'm glad you enjoyed this one.
Ellie
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
How delightful! ROTFL with Aragorn.
Author's reply
Glad you enjoyed this one, Ellie. Thanks for letting me know.
Thalanee
· 20 February 2009
· Chapter 52: APRON: Ambiguities of a Lexical Kind
This was absolutely hilarious!
I´m so glad that I am alone in this room, otherwise I´d have no idea how I would have explained why I literally fell of my chair laughing like mad (though my dog probably thinks me crazy)
I can just picture it: Legolas being chased by Gimli while Aragorn´s laughing himself silly
"Gimli´s Blankie" *snicker* that sets me laughing again!
Are we going to read more such stories about those three?
Already looking forward to the next chapter (whatever it may be about),
Thalanee
Author's reply
Hi, Thalanee. I'm glad you found this so funny. I had fun researching the Sindarin to find words with multiple meanings. I don't know if there will be more such stories about these three characters, although I would enjoy writing them if the right plot comes around. We'll have to see what the Muse says. Thanks for reviewing. I appreciate it.
Independence1776
· 15 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
Oh, this is a sweet story. Sometimes, it takes a child to bring some light into an otherwise dark time.
Author's reply
Thanks, Indy. I'm glad you liked this story. And you're right. Sometimes it does take a child to bring some light into an otherwise dark time. If nothing else, their innocence reminds us that there is still hope in the world.
Kitty
· 15 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
When I saw the summary, I expected something dark, but that was rather sweet. It's so good to know that at least one elf could find something beautiful in all this fear and despair, even if it was only an innocent elfling. Such a lovely image, Itarildë sitting on that rug, enjoying the stars and giving them names! Glad her father didn't put her back to bed but stayed with her to enjoy it, too.
Author's reply
I suspect others thought the same as you, Kitty, but I surprised you, didn't I? *grin* Even in the darkest hours one can usually find a ray of hope if one is willing to remain open to the possibility and not give into despair. A lesson that Turucáno learned from his young daughter, a lesson that perhaps he carried with him across the Helcaraxë after his beloved Elenwë fell through the ice, not knowing what lay ahead.
Larner
· 14 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
No, nothing is the same, but that does not mean that all is bad. And at least this child lived to find happiness in the Mortal lands before returning to Aman with her husband.
I love her delight with the stars--one who yet does not know true terror.
Author's reply
True, Larner, nothing is the same, but, as you say, that doesn't meant that all is bad, just different from what was known before. Of course, we don't know the ultimate fate of either Idril or Tuor, but wherever they ended up, they were together and I think she was content with that.
Arasinda
· 13 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
Dear Fiondil,
Thank you for another lovely vision of Aman and an extension of Tolkien's work from a point of view that seems to understand this world well. Having the gaps or questions regarding the lives of many important characters filled in logically and believably leaves me with joy and excitement. Sincerely, Arasinda
Author's reply
Hello, Arasinda. I really appreciate you leaving me such a wonderful comment on my stories. I enjoy filling in the gaps, as it were, especially ones that others rarely touch and for characters about whom little is written (whether by fanfic writers or Tolkien himself). I'm glad that my tales give you joy and excitement. Thanks for letting me know.
Elflingimp
· 13 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
Aw, that was so very sweet! Isn't it the children that can see the beauty in evrything ! Hugs Deb the Imp
Author's reply
Thanks, Elflingimp. I very happy that you enjoyed this. Hugs back.
edlyn
· 13 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
This was so very lovely, meldonya! Your writing is always so evocative and the images your words create in my mind are so beautiful. I loved seeing Itarildë and her toy sitting on the balcony naming the stars. Isn't it wonderful how children find the beauty and wonder in things?
Thanks for this!
Eru bless
Edlyn
Author's reply
Thanks, Edlyn. I'm glad you enjoyed this. When I thought about what I wanted to write for this prompt, Itarildë sitting on the rug naming the stars was the image that came to mind and so I 'backtracked' to the beginning to find out why she was doing that. It's interesting what the Muse sends, not always the whole picture but just a snippet and you have to find out the rest on your own. Rather like a treasure hunt. *grin*
Sitara
· 13 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
Huh...dangerously close to my nightmares. "breathing deeply"
Such an irony..but this time a good irony, a hopeful one. Back then, Arda was still so young and in its very beginning, all seems to have come to an end. But fortunately it hadn't been so. And right now I'm imagining for the theme Beginning some moments taking place when the End will come. "smiling widely". The cyrcle would be complete only then.
I truly don't know if I'm right or wrong (small wonder about that "grin"), but I always felt that Idril' story is very sad. Beginning with the darkening of Valinor and ending with hers and Tuor's disappearance (leaving behind only a flickering hope through a ministrel' song), her life was very tragic, in my opinion. In your story, she's such a sweet child that saw what most of the adults couldn't at that time: the stars's brilliance could be seen only in darkness. Whatever Melkor did, there is still hope. Apparently, only a child had been able to see it. And soon enough, this child will begin to lose, one by one, all she had known in her life. A home, a mother, an aunt......only to begin the list.
Nenya...One of the Three Rings...very nice. I can imagine how that star was shining, like mithril.
As for the Trees..Well, after several days of rummaging like crazy through the bookshelves of each bookshop I could find, I finally got my hands on "The Shaping of Middle-earth" and I could read The Second Prophecy of Mandos. Since then,(after coming down from the clouds, of course), I keep wondering how would look the Trees rekindled. What could be that great light coming forth from them?
And then even Itarilde will be there, back to the place of her birth. And perhaps, watching in awe that divine light, she would remember the stars that one night, when her world had begin to shatter, spoke to her about this very day.
Thank you, Fiondil. You've just told us that the nightfall is always followed by the dawn. And the stars are there just to remaind us. Even if we would have to wait as long as Arda endures. The waiting is worthwhile.
Author's reply
I think there is much irony in this story and Idril's personal story is indeed very sad. But at this moment, she's an adorable elfling who is entranced by the sight of the stars and unconcerned about the worries of her parents and elders. In her innocence those around her can find hope again. No matter how dark things may appear, there is, as Sam discovered, light and high beauty still and forever beyond the reach of the Shadow. That is something we should always remember when whe think all is hopeless.
Glad you were able to find "The Shaping of Middle-earth". It's an interesting read, isn't it, as are all the volumes of the Histories.
Thanks for your review, Sitara. I appreciate it.
6336
· 13 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
Oh, what a gentle little ficlet to wake up to! What a profitic(sp?) little child she is, Nenya indeed!
I am looking forward to your 'What happened in Aman' story!
More please,
Lynda
Author's reply
Thanks, Lynda. I'm so glad you found this to your liking. The word you're looking for is 'prophetic' and perhaps Itarildë is, though _nenya_ is properly an adjective meaning 'watery'. Used as a noun, though, it would have the meaning 'watery one'.
Kaylee
· 13 February 2009
· Chapter 51: END: Nightfall in Aman
Oh, well done meldonya! *hugs Itarilde* She's so adorable, I especially love her naming the "diamondy" star "Finda". *smiles*
See, this is what I get for suffering another sleepless night...I drag myself out of bed at quarter to five and this is what I have...a new story! I'm glad it's here, it made me a lot happier, though the pain in my abdomen is stubbornly NOT fading. Where are Este and Elrond when I need them? *sighs*
~Kaylee!
Author's reply
Well, at least you had something to take your mind off your troubles *grin*. Sorry to hear you're not feeling well, Kaylee. I hope you feel better soon. I'm glad you enjoyed this little fic. Itarildë is very adorable and perhaps somewhat wiser in her innocence than her elders.
Sitara
· 11 February 2009
· Chapter 31: COURTEOUS: Lack of Manners
I suppose I should keep my mouth shut. I don't know anymore how many times I've said these words and the answer is always the same: I cannot. I cannot keep quiet any longer. I apologize, in advance, for my impudence and I leave to your judgement the truth or the folly of the things I'm going to say.
For once (and only this time!), I would leave rendering judgement concerning the deeds of the Firsborn to the Firstborn themselves. This time I will think over the deeds of the Secondborn, more to the point, the actions of the only Secondborn involved in this. To a certain point, not further. Beren. And, (as a Mortal pondering the deeds of another Mortal), let me tell you in brief words what I learned about this part of Silmarillion. Somehow, Beren, a Man from Beor's house, entered Doriath, penetrating Melian's Girdle, where he saw the love of his life dancing in a glade. Needless to say, he went head over toe with the most fair of Iluvatar's Children and she loved him too. But, as always, there is be a problem, as in all the fairytales. The girl's father is less than impressed with the rank and attributes of his want-to-be-son-in-law and he thinks to put to good use some knowledge brought to him by certain doomed relatives. He wants, as a price for the bride, a Silmaril, no more no less. I won't bother to say now something about Elwe Singollo. Others did, quite vocal, and I won't disagree with them. Instead, I will look to the other side of the coin.
What Beren did then? Well, after throwing a barb regarding the trading qualities of his future father-in-law (after all, what could have done a Man to prove his ...manliness "hope I got it right"), he set out wearing high his bann..er..ring to Nargothrond to collect a debt. Where he finally found out (if he didn't already know but I'd grant him the benefit of this doubt)what exactly was the thing he sought to acquire, from his friend's mouth who now learns from experience a thing or two as in respect to vows. As I did, finally understanding why the Lord warned ud about taking ANY vow. Well, what should our noble and brave Mortal do?
Only two things. One, to go forward with his quest, with or without Felagund (better with him, though), to pursue further the jewel and, through many sacrifices and brave deeds, to finally claim a Silmaril from Morgoth's crown, showing thusly that a Mortal and a young gi..er..female did what some stupid and conceited hotheaded fools couldn't. And, of course, to win the hand of his lady, as her heart was already taken. The price would be , of course, blood and bitter loss but, in the end, the heroic deed will be done and Samwise Gamgee will hear after more than two ages stories that would fill him with awe. Brave. Heroic.
The other thing...well, for the other thing, it would have been need of something more than bravery and courage. It would have been need of Love. "Agape". To not raise up to the challenge, to appear like a coward, to break your own heart in order to save the other's, to keep all the suffering for yourself and your love..."If You are the Son of God, jump off!". This was echoing through my mind while reading the part I could read from Beren's and Luthien' story. To tell the tempter: "I could do it, but I choose to not do so. I won't be the one to release upon this already dreaded land something akin to plague! If I believed for one second that our love is worth all that, then that means only that this love isn't anymore love, but pure selfishness. I choose to break mine and Luthien's heart rather than to bring ruin upon these lands! Leave the Jewels to Morgoth and we , the Free People, we would have eachother against the enemy!" And I dare Elwe Thingol to sneer at this kind of words!
What would have been "all that"? Let's see "counting on fingers": the peace and ultimately very existence of two kingdoms, the life of a friend and his followers , the life af another friend, even forelegged, the life of a father-in-law and the happiness of an Ainur, the lives of a son and two grandsons, possibly a Battle of Unnumbered Tears with its deads, a High King among them, their own lives, a ship destined to wander the skies until the End with its sailor and the last, the remaining sanity and life of seven fellows that were somehow trustworthy until they heard the "S" word. I know I'm somehow exaggerating but only if the tenth part of his would be true....
What I'm trying to say is only that the things are never so simple as they may appear. And all of them have sinned and all of them are bearing a part of that guilt that engulfs Arda. Melkor's darkness touched them all, not only that one or this one. And, until each of us would turn the accusing finger to his own chest, until then Arda won't be healed.
I'm sorry if I upset you with my words but I couldn't help myself. I wrote this several days after reading your piece, that caught nicely a side of the coin. I only thought that Elu Thingol would never miss flamers and judges. "grin". What about the others? I know Eru allows our mistakes and through they His plans are carried further, but a mistake remains still a mistake. And no one is held blameless.
I apologize again and I bid you a very good night, Sitara
Author's reply
Well, Sitara, I'm not entirely sure what the point of your diatribe is or what it has to do with the story, which is about Círdan and Elu and not about Beren at all. *grin*
If Beren had not done what he did, he and Lúthien would never have married, so his son and their grandchildren would never have been born, so he wouldn't have 'saved' them from death anyway. Nor would the others be saved. Morgoth would have destroyed them in the end regardless of what other decisions were made. And, of course, there would be no story and no one would care. Thinking that if Beren had refused Elu's challenge, all would have been well is, to my mind, naive, for it wasn't just one thing or one person making these decisions. One could say that if Elu had not issued the challenge or if Finrod had not given his ring to Barahir or if this, that or the other had not happened, things might have turned out better, but we don't know that; it could very well have turned out even worse than it did. So, blaming Beren for what followed is pointless.
As for vows... Jesus' admonishment against them had to do with taking vows in a court of law, i.e. be careful not to perjure yourself for the sake of gain against another. Other vows, for instance, taking vows to dedicate your life to the service of the poor, are acceptable.
Perhaps in the future you might want to limit your reviews to what you thought of the story itself and anything else you want to say about it you can always tell me in a PM. *grin*
Kaylee
· 8 February 2009
· Chapter 50: MEMORIAL: Carved in Stone
*ponders* So when (if) Legolas finishes the inscription, what will all the words look like, I wonder? I have a feeling I know what they would say...
"Here lies Gimli son of Gloin,
Elvellon, Lord of the Glittering Caves,
First of Mahal's Children to come to Aman."
Or something like that. What do you think, meldonya?
~Kaylee!
P.S. By the way, I agree with Olorin that a memorial engraved in their hearts and honoring Gimli's final request (the other final request, not the harp playing) is the best way to honor Gimli.
Author's reply
Well it probably will end up saying something like what you've suggested. *grin* I'm sure Legolas will finish the memorial, if not for Gimli then for himself. And I think he realizes that Olórin is also correct about the best kind of memorial being one engraved in one's heart and honoring his friend's final (real) request is the best way to honor Gimli, but it's going to take time. Grief knows no season except winter and spring sometimes does not come as soon as one would hope, but eventually it does and that is something Legolas will learn when he is ready.