Nieriel Raina · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
Oh, this chapter was just simply beautiful, Fiondil! Well done!
Author's reply
Thanks, NiRi. I'm glad you liked this chapter.
The Wars of the Valar by Fiondil
Nieriel Raina · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
Oh, this chapter was just simply beautiful, Fiondil! Well done!
Author's reply
Thanks, NiRi. I'm glad you liked this chapter.
Edlyn · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
I just realised that part of a sentence in my review got cut off for some reason. Here's what I meant to have typed: Hmmm, I wonder if the reason that the fëa acts as if he was still in hröa is because eventually he will go back to having a hröa when he is Reborn. I think it would be even more difficult to adapt to a body again if one didn't have the "physical" memories of what it was like. Not to mention that right after an elf dies the shock alone would want him to hold onto something familiar amidst all the fear and strangeness. Also, I had the impression that this particular fëa was a child or at most an adolescent. Am I right? I know that Námo is taller and larger than any of the Erunini but from the description it seemed that this Child wasn't fully grown. The fact that he was calling for his mama just reinforces my impression. I think that is it, meldonya. I really hate it when I get interrupted while typing, I end up making mistakes or forgetting to finish what I start... Edlyn
Author's reply
That's all right. I figured it was something like that. *grin* I suspect that the fëa acted as if he was still in hröa was because it probably had not sunk in (and probably never would) that it was dead and no longer in hröa. Your supposition that the Child was indeed a child, most likely an adolescent, is correct. Unfortunately, I suspect that not a few elflings wandered off when they shouldn't have, which would make what Melkor did or attempted to do to them even more heinous.
Tari · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
What an absolutely beautiful ceremony.
Author's reply
Thanks, Tari. I'm glad you enjoyed the wedding. *grin*
Edlyn · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
Oh, meldonya, was this as hard to write as it was to read? My heart was breaking as I realised what had happened both for that lost Child and for Námo. I can understand why Atar did (with hindsight, of course I can do that), however, when one doesn't understand and doesn't have all the information that we readers do the not knowing is difficult to deal with whether one is an Ayanumuz, an Eruhin or whatever else. I had wondered when the little gardens were going to appear and who made them. It hadn't occurred to me that the Máyar had built them. So now I'm wondering which one of them had a hand in building the garden that Glorfindel recovered in. I suspect that Námo's upset and feelings of betrayal aren't entirely dealt with, despite Atar's words and love. I find myself wondering if a part of his mind is wondering whether Atar allowed him to be captured and hurt so badly, just so he'd have this understanding for what the fëar of the Firstborn have gone through. Hmmm, I wonder if the reason that the fëar acts as if it was still in *In My own Time, Námo,* Atar replied. *All things must come to fruition in their own time and Mine.* This is something I know I have to remember but it's so hard to be patient! I am glad that Námo has his faithful Máyar to aid him and very, very glad that he has Vairë. This is hard enough with their support and love. I would hate to think about having to deal with it on his own. Beautifully written, as always, meldonya. I so appreciate the work you put into each chapter and the depth of thought and feeling as well. Eru bless and keep thee. [Proofreader on duty--I think you may have a missing word or two in this sentence as it reads rather awkwardly: He was not sure what was happening, only that a great need to call out what he instinctively knew was a Word of Power in a language he did not know but realized that his actions were a summons. I'd rewrite it this way: He was not sure what was happening, only that he had a great need to call out what he instinctively knew was a Word of Power in a language he did not know. Even so, he realized that his actions were a summons.] Edlyn P.S. Now I am being pestered by a plot bunny about the first of the fëar waking up and exploring the Halls for the first time...
Author's reply
Hi, Edlyn. Thanks for the suggestion on improving the sentence. I did indeed inadvertantly left out a couple of words without realizing it. I'm sure Námo might have wondered if Atar allowed what happened to him for this very reason, but I think in the end he would realize that Atar didn't so much allow it in that sense but simply because he would not interfere with Námo's free will actions. Instead, he took advantage of the situation to further his own designs and to prepare Námo for his future role. And yes, it was indeed a very hard chapter to write.
Radbooks · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
*sob* That was incredibly sad. What a horrible way for Namo to discover the arrival of the Children. It makes perfect sense since we know Melkor found them first and he had to have killed some, but still... I love the image of Namo sensing that name within himself and calling the fea to him and then learning how to speak to the child. That was all very well done and wonderful to read even as I was teary eyed through it all. I just love Namo and Vaire's Mayar - their loyalty and love is wonderful to see.
Author's reply
Hi Radbooks. Yes, it was sad and rather a shock for Námo and his Máyar. I'm glad you liked how I handled the entire chapter. It was not easy to write but it was a necessary piece of the story.
6336 · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
Oh, that was beautiful, very sweet and loving. Poor Namo, poor fea! So now it begins, now he knows why he built the Halls so big. More please, Lynda
Author's reply
Thanks, Lynda. I'm glad you liked this chapter. And now he does indeed know why he built the Halls as he did.
Beruthiels Cat · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
This is the chapter I've been hoping for for a long time...I knew it would be powerful, and it certainly is. Poor Námo, to finally realize the great purpose for which he spent such time building his Halls. So bittersweet, and so very much a part of why he is, beyond doubt, my favorite Vala. I just love his reaction to the Elven fëa, and his conversation with Atar...so many times he has been placed in the position of having to take things on trust, more than all the other Valar put together. 'Well done' just doesn't seem to be enough to say for such a chapter, but well done it is...and then some.
Author's reply
Thanks, Cat, for your review. This was a very hard chapter to write, and in fact, I actually debated as to whether I should write it at all, but knew that there was no hope of not writing it. Yes, Námo has been forced to having to take things on trust, more so than the other Valar, although I think Manwë comes a close second on that score.
Kaylee · 19 December 2008 · Chapter 49: The Uninvited
Oh, meldonya!! *sobs* The poor little one...and to know that Melkor has found them...oh...*shudders* Namo will take good care of him, I know. Ai...and such a secret to hide from Manwe. But at least Vaire will know. And I suppose what Atar said to Namo is akin to what He told Ulmo before*...that not all things are in Manwe's purview to know and he will recognize that, and leave some things as a trust between Atar and his brothers? ~Kaylee! *P.S....Before, being of course, the little chat Atar had with Ulmo about being his secret voice. :) Though that was in Tapestry, not here.
Author's reply
I knew you were speaking about the Tapestry fic with Ulmo. *grin* I suspect that you are correct about Atar's words to Námo being similar with regards to Manwë.
Kaylee · 12 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
Oh, meldonya! They're finally wed! FINALLY! And as everyone else has noted, poor Namo...he'll be so distraught when the first fëa to enter his Halls is *not* a Mortal. In fact, I'd been wondering if said occupant of his Halls would be his Fallen Brother...not that Melkor was dead of course, just that...didn't Melkor get locked up in Mandos? He's always saying how Melkor's cell has been empty a while, and I do remember Melkor's imprisonment from somewhere in my Silm, I'm sure, I just can't remember exactly when it occurred. *is only half awake* So...Finwë or Melkor? *ponders* And I want to know but I'm not certain I want to know...what do you think happened to the fëar of the orcs? ~Kaylee
Author's reply
Melkor did indeed end up in Mandos and that will be addressed in a subsequent chapter as will you question concerning the orcs.
Radbooks · 11 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
Ah, at last the two of them have come together. YAY! I was chuckling as I read the description of the Halls and how much thought and effort Namo put into it when I considered your earlier story where Pippin and Merry arrive there and the Bree shopkeeper is stirring people up about how plain everything it. If he only had a clue about how much love and care went into that place for his benefit! But then, most of us never consider the effort and love and care done on our behalf! :) Nicely done...
Author's reply
Hah! I'd forgotten that about the Mortals' comments on the Halls myself! Thanks for reminding me, Radbooks. I know Námo put in a lot of thought and effort into making his Halls as beautiful and conducive to quiet contemplation as he could make them. And you're right about how little we appreciate the effort and love and care that is done on our behalf, either by our fellow creatures or by God and the Valar.
Edlyn · 11 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
Hurray! They're finally wed! This was a beautiful chapter, meldonya. I absolutely love their vows, the nermir, and oh, everything. It was perfect. I find myself wondering what Maranwë's statue looks like. :) But even with all the joy in this chapter I find myself worrying for Námo, because the first fëar to enter his Halls will be those of the Firstborn and he doesn't know it yet. Well, I also have to remember that I'm seeing it from the other side of the time line and none of them know yet that Feanor's revolt is going to happen. At the point in time that the Ayanumuz and Máyar are at in your story everything is still potentialities. Beautifully written meldonya. Thank you!
Author's reply
Hi, Edlyn. I'm glad you enjoyed the wedding of the ages. *grin* As for Maranwë's statue... I'm not sure myself. Perhaps one day we'll find out. And you are correct about everything is still potentialities... the future is not set and anything can change it, which is why Námo sometimes 'sees' more than one possible outcome for a given event, but events pertaining to himself he is unable to see so he is unaware of the real reason Atar had him build the Halls when he did. We will see how that works out soon enough, I fear. Thanks for your review. I really appreciate it.
Thalanee · 11 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
Poor Namo... he'll be so distraught when the first fea to arrive will be that of an elf. That will come as a shock. *sigh* that was such an incredibly sweet ceremony (I nearly cried). I'm incredibly happy for both of them. The translation of that psalm was beautiful. Already looking forward to the next chapter, Thalanee
Author's reply
Yes, I'm afraid they are all in for a shock, but it cannot be helped. I'm glad you enjoyed the ceremony and my translation of the biblical verse. I know it's often used at weddings for obvious reasons. I figured that considering what these two went through to get where they are now this verse was quite apropos. Thanks for your review. I greatly appreciate it.
Independence1776 · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
"'I still find it rather odd that Atar would have me build this now when even the Firstborn have yet to arise.' He frowned a bit at the thought, thinking he was overlooking something important, something obvious." Poor, poor Námo. All the Valar are going to be heartbroken when the first one to arrive is an Elf. Finally! Oh, that's the best use for the Halls. Hallowed by love after they're built. (Not that they weren't during the construction, but a wedding is special.) Ooh... Is this what the Eldarin wedding ceremony is based off? And the translation carries the meaning quite well. Well done! (Though now I get the feeling more trouble is coming now.) ~ Indy
Author's reply
You're right, Indy. The Valar will indeed be heartbroken, and the wedding was indeed the best use for the Halls, hallowing them, as you say, by love and by Love, for weddings are very special. I have no idea if the Eldarin wedding ceremony is based on this or not. I suspect that the Elves developed their own ideas. Since Námo and Vairë are the last of the Valar to espouse and the wedding is unobserved by any of the Eldar, it is unlikely they modeled their own ceremony after this one. I'm glad you think the translation works... as simple as the phrase looks, it took me awhile to get it right in Quenya.
Fantasia · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
Fiondil, I haven't review your stories, don't know why, because I have been reading all of them loyally since you started to post in this site, let me tell you that I love your stories, your characters and your beautiful and moving writing style. I love the way that you describe the Universe, the creation of Arda, the Valars and God...the way that you show their love for each other and the world, the way that ADA is always with them and us, taking care, loving all his creations...I don't know how to express my feelings when I read your stories, specially this one, but they really touch my spirit and they are incredible fantastic, inspirational, and...I'm rambling, must be the season, it is close to Christmas...Anyway, I just want to say Thanks for your wonderful job and keep writing. Even if I don't review, know that I always read and enjoy all your stories. Love Namo, his compassion and I don't want his job when the elves souls start to shown before him. I remember in one of the Glorfindel stories that Sador said that Namo had built the Halls before the Children were awake, and if he has known the purpose of the Halls, he must has cry because of that...now I think that it is good that he doesn’t know, because for us, Mortals, by ADAR creation, Death is a journey to an incredible destiny, a blessing, so the Halls should not have to be a sad place, just a preparation for the journey but for the Firstborn, Death was not part of the plan... Now, just a thought, it has always hunting me, if the first elves souls were the one of those ones metamorphosed to Orcs? What happens to them, to those very first ones, the “Fathers” of the Orcs? Will they go to Namos' care after their dead as Orcs? Or they souls will abandon their body when they become Orcs? It is not a terrible and sad fate? I was wandering if you have thought to include that in this story… Thanks again… Fantasia
Author's reply
Hi Fantasia. Thank you for a lovely review. I'm glad that you were finally inspired to write and let me know how much you are enjoying this and all my other stories. I hope that in the future you will be inspired to leave other reviews. I would greatly appreciate it. As for your question concerning the Orcs, that may be answered soon enough. To say more now would give away a major plot point.
Kitty · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
So Námo still has no idea that the Firstborn will be the first to use his Halls? Poor guy. But it sounds really lovely what he did. It must be a place of great beauty. And now we *finally* get THE wedding! Yay! It was about time, really. And it was beautiful, all of it - the ceremony, the surroundings and the nermir. Lovely, Fiondil! *happy sigh*
Author's reply
Thanks, Kitty. Yes, the Halls are beautiful, constructed and decorated as they were with Love. And I'm glad you found the wedding itself lovely, as well.
ellie · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
that was lovely!
Author's reply
Thanks, Ellie. I'm glad you thought so.
Larner · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
A time of joyous cleaving and pain not forgotten but transcended fully at last! Lovely!
Author's reply
Very true, Larner. And in the end, that's what it's all about, isn't it?
6336 · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
Yea! Finally after all this time they get married, sniffles happily! And Atar sent them Nirmir, beautiful! So the Halls are finished, I wonder how Namo will feel when he finds his first charges are not Mortal but Elven faer, he will weep bitter tears, poor Namo, one thing he has not forseen! More please, Lynda (By the way what happened to my wedding invite, didn't even get a save the day card!)
Author's reply
Sorry about the wedding invite. There was no time to send one. *grin* Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed it nonetheless. We will see soon just what happens when the first Elven fëa arrives in Mandos and how the Valar, or at least this particular Vala, reacts to it. I don't think Námo is allowed to foresee anything personal to him, otherwise he might never have taken the steps he did that led him to where he is now.
Rhyselle · 10 December 2008 · Chapter 48: Many Waters
At last! At last! That was soooooo lovely! I'm at work and don't have time to tell you everything that occurred to me while I read this chapter, but I had to tell you how much I love it, from the Valar being inspired to build and complete things, to the symbolism of the gifts that the Valar and Maiar gave to Namo and Vaire, to the ceremony itself. The vows just lifted my heart! Well worth the wait!
Author's reply
Glad you thought so, Rhyselle. Thanks for letting me know.
Kitty · 6 December 2008 · Chapter 47: Brothers’ Keepers
When the first ones to inhabit Námo's halls truly were the Secondborn, then it would be rather early to built them now, but I fear the first ones will be Firstborn. But maybe it's better Námo doesn't know that just now. The poor guy is already feeling bad enough. Anyway, I like the statue of Námo with the nermi and the swan boat. And Námo may not know it yet, but I think his job is one of the most important among the Valar. To take care of the fear, particularly of the elves who are going to be reborn is quite a responsibility and certainly not always easy (and I don't talk about the 'menace to civilization' here, but about all these who were burdened with nightmarish experiences, guilt and the like). What Eönwë said when he returned to Manwë is absolutely lovely, and I am very glad Manwë told Námo about it. Anyway, Námo is really touching here in all his insecurity and wish to create something beautiful for others. I'd *never* thought I could come to really love him, but you proved me wrong. You turned me into a huge Námo fan.
Author's reply
Thanks, Kitty. I'm glad you enjoyed this chapter. It is probably a good thing that Námo doesn't know for whom the Halls are meant initially. The shock, I fear, will be great when he discovers the truth. And I agree with you that he probably has the most important job among the Valar. You are not the only person to tell me that from reading my stories you have become a Námo fan! *grin* He was always my favorite simply because he intrigued me more than the other Valar. That's why I enjoy writing about him so much.
Edlyn · 3 December 2008 · Chapter 47: Brothers’ Keepers
You know, meldonya, I cried in sympathy at Námo's upset in the last chapter (having had my own times of feeling worthless and insignificant and not good enough, as have we all) but I cried even more at this chapter--this time in compassion. We have no memory of Melkor before his fall so it's hard to remember that he was once Atar's brightest and beautiful and Manwë's beloved big brother who he adored. You keep reminding me of that throughout this story and while, like Námo, I cannot love him or even dredge up barely more than a smattering of pity for his lost potential for good, Manwë still and always will love and miss, and mourn his lost big brother. So now we know where Námo's insecurity and self-esteem issues came from. When he told Manwë that Melkor calling him "Little One" made him feel worthless and insignificant I stopped reading for a minute and my mind went back over the previous chapters and I could see the shadow of that over Námo's reactions even before Melkor captured and tortured him. I love the statue in the Hall for the Secondborn. I can see it in my mind's eye and the glimmering of the jewels on the nermi's wings is gorgeous. Everything about this chapter was wonderful, the conversations between Námo and Manwë, Námo's memory of Melkor getting Manwë in trouble with Varda (like all big brothers do to their younger siblings to one degree or another), the swan boat on the river/conduit out of Eä, Manwë's realization that he does have 6 brothers even if Melkor has left him, and Námo's conversation with Atar. Thanks so much for this. Itwas a perfect read for today. Eru bless, Edlyn
Author's reply
Thanks, Edlyn. Your review makes it all worth while for me. Yes, Námo's insecurities and self-esteem issues can be traced back to Melkor calling him "Little One" even in the Timeless Halls, even before the Ainulindalë. It is a testament to his greatness that Námo was able to overcome these insecurities and become the Vala we all know and love. You may recognize the statue in Námo's Hall from my Tapestry fic "DISORDER: Chaos Theory". If you haven't read it yet, I highly recommend it. It'll make your day, I promise. *grin*
Anonymous · 3 December 2008 · Chapter 47: Brothers’ Keepers
Morgoth as rapist and as pedophile (which you seem to suggest here) - I can see why one would think of those as evil things, but it's certainly not what I expect to see on a site that touts itself as being 'family-friendly.' It's overall an intriguing concept for a story, though, to try and tell the 'how' of creation from the point of view of the creators.
Author's reply
Actually I haven't suggested anything of the sort. But if you're so puerile as to think so, don't let me stop you. And how 'family-friendly' is this site when you have stories dealing with torture and such? If you haven't the courage to sign your reviews, don't expect me to answer them. In fact, after this, I will simply delete them without comment. I leave this up for others to read. I'm sure they will have their own opinions about your cowardice and lack of courtesy.
Independence1776 · 2 December 2008 · Chapter 47: Brothers’ Keepers
This chapter nearly made me cry, both from Námo's continued thinking of himself as worthless as well as from the fact that at the end, he's finally starting to heal. Well, I think Manwë figured out that the Firstborn may have first use of it. And if he did, I am very thankful he didn't tell Námo. He didn't need to hear that right then. “'Plain is good,' Tulkas replied, 'and there is nothing wrong with ordinary. Much of life is both.'” I like plain- though I prefer the term simple. And Tulkas is right, though I dislike to admit it. (It's also fascinating to think about from an in-universe perspective. For example, that the Elves think it's ordinary to walk on snow, while to us it's astounding.) "Manwë took him back in his embrace and rocked him gently." This is my favorite part of the chapter. Yes, everything Námo has gone through will make him better able (perhaps moreso than the rest of the Valar) to deal with the Children. ~ Indy
Author's reply
Hi Indy. I have a suspicion that Manwë knows more than he lets on and decided that Námo did not need any more shocks right then, so kept his thoughts to himself. Plain and simple... they are the foundations of our lives... we live ordinary lives, but our task, I think, is to find the extraordinary embedded in the ordinary, those unique numinous moments that bring the Infinite closer. And of course, one races ordinary is another's extraordinary. *grin*
Sunny · 2 December 2008 · Chapter 47: Brothers’ Keepers
I suppose part of Námo's problem is that the time for him to do his main job has not yet come. The Children have not yet arrived - so none have died, as yet. It will be interesting to see what Námo's reaction will be when his first "guest" arrives. Which will be one of the _firstborn_, who aren't _supposed_ to die. The conversation between Námo ans Manwe was wonderful. *sniffles* And what Manwë told about Eönwë's summary about his time of service with Námo was, too!!
Author's reply
Each of the Anaynumuz is beginning to claim their unique roles in the history of Arda; Námo is no exception, although his true role won't be evident yet. Atar has been preparing him as gently as possible for what will come because of Melkor, but it will still be a shock to him when the first fëa arrives.
6336 · 2 December 2008 · Chapter 47: Brothers’ Keepers
Rome wasn't built in a day neither were Namos Halls. We all have our doubts and insecurities, even Manwe, overcoming themn makes us better people. I wonder how Namo felt when his first 'charge' arrived, which had to have been an Elf! More please, Lynda p.s. Did not receive a notification for this or Elf Inturrupted, yrch in the system?
Author's reply
As to how Námo felt when his first 'charge' arrived, we'll actually be seeing that in an upcoming chapter. You might wish to contact Nilmandra and let her know about not receiving notifications. She might be able to do something about it at her end.