Imhiriel
· 17 May 2009
· Chapter 36: Almaren Rising
You can't help thinking, "With Aulendil and Curumo working on the Lamps, no wonder something has to go wrong with it". Although that is to a certain extent unfair, as I don't think the two of them are at this time sabotaging the endeavour or anything of the sort...
"They will pierce the atmosphere," Tulkas said. "It seems almost silly to bother with the pillars at all. Why don’t we just put them in a circumpolar orbit instead?"
Hee. Indeed. That's why it's called learning by "trial and error". Although if what Oromë says it's true and they wanted to put out the Lamps anyways after they had awoken plants and such, his explanation makes a certain amount of sense. But Tulkas' objections are duly noted.
I continue to like a great deal the little indications of the Ayamunuz and the Mayar showing their inclinations towards their later "portfolios". (not to mention the fact that it helps keeping all those names straight in my mind, ;-)...)
Author's reply
Well, perhaps with Aulendil there might be some justification for your concerns, but Curumo remained faithful to the Valar for mamy ages. It was only in the latter part of the Third Age that he became corrupt.
As we come closer to 'real' time, the Valar are beginning to take on the characteristics by which we know them from the Silmarillion, as they begin to learn what their 'jobs' are in relation to the Children.
Imhiriel
· 17 May 2009
· Chapter 35: The Price of Victory
I had to re-read the last couple of chapters to refresh my memory and catch up with the thread of the story, so now I can finally start on chapters I hadn't read before.
I loved the scene of healing and recovery. Very wise of Námo to recognise that the sick Mayar needed a purpose and encouragement, not only commiseration (as needful as that is, too). Very discerning how he could pick out one of her specific strengths and apply it to his immediate plans for his temporary secondments. And I wager that in this way, Ancalequirindë and the three can help each other.
Author's reply
Wow! after all this time! I'm glad you've been able to come back to this story and finish it. I'll try to get through all your reviews as quickly as possible, but it'll still take me some time to catch up with you. *grn*
Anyway.... Namo is beginning to show his 'softer' side here, being the Comforter and Consoler rather than the Judge and Doomsman. It's a role he prefers over the others that are his to play.
Aiwen
· 21 February 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
I very much enjoyed your story and this is a very appropriate place to end it although I will miss reading it. It was definitely one of the most original stories based on the Silmarillion that I have ever read. Thank you very much for writing it.
It seems to me that the best decision regarding the firstborn might've been for the valar to go to them rather than asking the elves to come to valinor, but hindsight is always 20/20. And amidst all the arguing about what would've been best for the elves and mankind, what of the dwarves? We really don't know much about their fate and they seem for the most part to have been ignored - although part of that may simply have been that Tolkein did not work it out. That seems a loss when one is confronted by someone like Gimli who is as much a person as any elf or man.
Author's reply
Hello, Aiwen. Thank you so much for letting me know how much you enjoyed this story from beginning to end. I know that its uniqueness in terms of story turned off some people (no hobbits!)and fascinated others and I'm always glad to hear from someone who enjoyed it.
One of the interesting things about Tolkien's works is there is alwyas room for speculation as to 'what if'. And of course there are plenty of gaps in the stories that allow for fanfic writers to fill them from their own imaginings. This is how "Wars" came about.
As I've pointed out to others, while it would have been better (perhaps) if the Valar had left the Firstborn alone, there probably wouldn't have been any story otherwise if everything had gone according to Eru's original plan. So, I guess on one level it's a good thing that it didn't. *grin* I'm sure that if Tolkien had lived long enough he would've gotten around to the Dwarves and what their ultimate fate might have been. He left things (perhaps on purpose) somewhat up in the air about the ultimate fates of the other races as well. We'll never know. That's why the rest of us are busy writing these stories and so I suppose we should all be thankful that he didn't answer all the questions, or else I would need to find a different hobby. *lol*
Thanks again for your review. I very much appreciate it.
Kaylee
· 8 February 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
"So it is doomed." And this is truly "Metta", "The End", for the Valar dwelling alone. Now they will have the Children to amuse (and bemuse) them whichever way they turn.
Also, they shall be as gardeners, caring for the fear of the Children as best they can. And so it begins; the rest of the fate of Arda has begun to weave itself in a tapestry partially from the choice of the Valar.
~Kaylee!
Author's reply
Yes, this it truly 'metta'... no longer will the Valar and Maiar dwell alone in Arda. And yes, they will be gardeners, caring for the Children as best they can. Very good point and a nice cross-over from "Elf, Interrupted" *grin*.
And so it begins; the rest of the fate of Arda has begun to weave itself in a tapestry partially from the choice of the Valar.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you.
Jancy
· 4 February 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Hey! Long time no review, I know. Sorry about that.
But, wow--you've been busy when I was away. Lots of updates. :-D
this story is really unique and awesome. I think I better understand the Silmarillion and the Valar with this story.
thanks a bunch for writing this, Fiondil!!!!
Author's reply
Hi, Jancy. Well, at least you finished the story. *grin* Glad you enjoyed it and that it helped you understand the Silmarillion and the Valar better. That's always a plus. Thanks for taking the time to let me know your thoughts about this tale. I appreciate it.
Tari
· 3 February 2009
· Chapter 56: Appendix: Timeline
Melkor capturing and corrupting the Elves has always been heartbreaking to me. I do a bit of crying when I read the Silmarillion.
The amount of detail you put into your stories always amazes. I’m hoping something will rub off on me.
Author's reply
Melkor certainly had much to answer for. That part of the Silmarillion was always one of the hardest for me to read, too.
As for details... they make or break a story in my opinion and as a friend of mine always says, "Research, research, research", which to me is the key to everything when writing Tolkien. If you don't take the time to read and re-read his works and as much of the Histories as is relevant, you're bound to mess things up and then a story that might have been rather good turns out to be not so good.
Larner
· 2 February 2009
· Chapter 56: Appendix: Timeline
Have bookmarked this for future reference.
Thank you, Fiondil.
Author's reply
You're welcome, Larner. I hope you find this timeline useful.
Larner
· 2 February 2009
· Chapter 999999: Character List
And so we all add to the population of Arda, do we not? Thanks for this.
Author's reply
You're welcome, Larner. I will continue to add to this list whenever I create a new OC Maia character (as I did for a to-be-posted chapter of "Elf, Interrupted"). Even if they do not make an appearance in this story, they are there in the background and I wish to acknowledge their existence.
Larner
· 2 February 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
And the doom is chosen and spoken. Tulkas this time had the right of it. There was good and bad in the results, as there is ever with what Melkor has wrought.
As for Melkor being bound to a replica of his own throne--too appropriate, and unfortunately the irony is lost on him. And the only torture he will know will be left to his own imagination, which is torture enough. Alas for what he MIGHT have been!
And at last this one has come to its end.
Thank you, Fiondil.
Author's reply
You're most welcome, Larner. It has been quite a ride, hasn't it? *grin*
And, as you say, there was both good and bad in the decision made here. One can only imagine what Arda might have been like had Melkor not rebelled. Yet, the Marring will lead to the Remaking, and all that was evil will only give greater beauty to all that is good.
Thanks for all your insightful comments, Larner. I've appreciated them very much.
Kitty
· 1 February 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
It may not be nice, but still, I found it satisfying when Námo spit at Melkor. He's losing his fear, and that's good.
Well, the Valar wished only the best for the children, and aside from the rebellion of the Noldor and all that, it was right to invite the Elves to Valinor, I think. What would have become of them in later ages under the dominion of Men, after all, if they could not have sailed?
But really, Fiondil - if I'd not know how the story continues, I'd consider the end to this story another nasty cliffhanger equal to EI 1!
I will miss this story, Fiondil. It was very interesting, and I already complained to friends that the Silmarillion would be much easier to read if it had been written in the same way as 'The Wars of the Valar' - the Valar and Maiar have more of a personality, and I love the humour in it. Thank you, I enjoyed it very much!
Author's reply
I always knew that this particular tale would end as it did with Námo (and Atar) having the last word. *grin* And, of course, I am assuming my readers will know how the 'rest of the story' goes from this point forward.
I'm glad you enjoyed this tale, Kitty. Perhaps people reading this who have had problems with reading the Silmarillion before will now go back and read it with a new perspective of the Valar.
Thanks for all your reviews and encouragement. I really appreciated them.
lyncarol333
· 31 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Thanks so much for such an entertaining tale. I have always loved your Valar, and this fic has made me love them even more.
Now i can't help but wonder what you will come up with next.
Thanks again for a wonderful read.
Lyn
Author's reply
Hi Lyn. You're most welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed this tale. As for what I come up with next.... on the Muse knows. *grin*
Sitara
· 31 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Well, if Melkor wanted a throne to stay upon, he's surely got one for all his heart's content. Albeit knowing what we know and I having some very personal and strong issues with our future Morgoth 'smile' , I'm still happy that Namo has had enough strength and heart to wish in his Song for Melkor to find redemption. And this taking into account what he and Vaire suffered in Melkor's hands and his gift of foresight. But thus is Eru's nature and this would be the best proof that the Valar are fullfiling His wishes, in my opinion.
As for the Valar's decision to summon the Firstborn to live with them in Valinor...we all know what happened after this. But we didn't know what might have happened if the Elves were left to dwell in the place of their awakening. Maybe the things would have been worse. And surely the things could have been worse, with Sauron, Gothmog, Ungoliant and possibly others around. Maybe their decision meant in fact the doom of they all, but I would like to point out that this doom could have been even worse and all that happened has been fitting Iluvatar's plans.
I think also that Valinor was deemed from the beginning to be the Firstborn's home and the sea longing felt by a Moriquendo as well is for me a very strong proof. Eventually, Middle-Earth would become a place only for the Secondborn and I believe Eru knew from the beginning that these Children could be quite possessive regarding their place of dwelling. "wry grin". Always the last lines from LOTR made me very, very sad. It was like, as the Firstborn, especially the Eldar , sailed one by one, the world left behind would remain without Music and Light.
Well, an excellent story, one of a kind in LOTR fandom, and, I bet, a very strength-draining one, judging on the amount of research that had to be done in order to obtain such a wonderful outcome, and...you know, those Valar have had to fight at least one War more. Yes, I'm shameless, forgive me. I know and I'll wait for it as much as it is necessary.
All my blessings to you, Sitara
Author's reply
Hi Sitara. We'll never know what might have happened if the Valar had left the Elves where they were rather than bringing them to Aman. Perhaps things would have been worse for them all, perhaps better. Perhaps if the Elves had remained in Middle-earth, when the Secondborn came around, they would have had better teachers and even if eventually they took possession of Middle-earth while the Elves departed for Valinor, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. Who knows? None of that happened and so we are left with what is, not what might have been.
I'm glad you enjoyed this story, Sitara. Yes, it is rather unique and it was very draining (but in a good way *grin*) and I'm looking forward to other writing projects. As to what they may be... only time and the Muse will tell.
Thanks for all your reviews and insightful comments. I appreciated them very much.
Independence1776
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Due to the ice storm that hit my area a couple days ago, this was the first time I was able to get online. I may lose power again, especially once things start melting.
"It was a Song of binding and restraining; of secrets revealed and justice upheld, yet woven into it was the possibility of repentance and release." Echoes of the _Lay of Leithian_.
*snickers* Yes, "homey" the throne may be, but it probably didn't help Melkor's rehabilitation, given it was a reminder of everything he had lost.
*blinks* Kudos to Námo for keeping his temper that long.
I agree with Ulmo and Yavanna! Leave the Quendi alone. That, of course, does not mean I don't understand why the Valar acted as they did. But a part of me wonders what would have happened if the Valar had left well enough alone. Furthermore, if they truly cared so much about the Eruhíni, why did they ignore the ones who didn't/couldn't come to Valinor? Ah, Tolkien, sometimes you give me headaches.
"I have begun to collect the tears of the fëar who have come to my brother’s Halls, for I deem that when Atháraphelun’s Time comes to a close, those tears will be needed." Interesting hint of your ideas for the Dagor Dagorath.
"We will deal with that when the situation warrants it." But, from what I can remember, you didn't.
"Manwë had a feeling deep inside him that perhaps they were in the wrong, but he was genuinely concerned for the safety and well-being of the Children and looked forward to having them here with them." Should have listened to your instincts...
"Already, in the back of his mind, he was anticipating the joy of teaching these bright inquisitive beings all that he knew of Eä and of Atar." Pride was the Valar's downfall, in this particular instance. They couldn't imagine anything else, even though there were options.
"Let us bring the Children home." To your home, not theirs.
"So it is doomed." And so it begins: the Sundering, the division of the Noldor, the Kinslayings, the Curse of the Noldor, and the battles that kept Morgoth in check and set the path for the destruction of Sauron millennia later. But I cannot deny that quote sent shivers up my spine. It is the perfect ending line for this story.
Author's reply
I'm sure, looking back, Manwë and the other Valar who wanted to have the Quendi with them instead of leaving them in Middle-earth where Atar put them had cause for regrets. I found it interesting that while the Valar consulted Atar about what to do with Melkor, they did not consult him about the Children. In that, I think, they fell into error and all else flowed from that. Still, I know that Atar was willing to 'play along' as it were, drawing straight with crooked lines, allowing all his Children the freedom to mess up (or not).
I'm glad you think the final line is the perfect ending line for the story. Shivers up the spine is just the effect I want from my readers. *grin*
Thanks ever so much for being such a faithful reader and reviewer, Indy. You don't know how much I've appreciated getting reviews from you. They always made my day.
Alquawende
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
I liked this chapter. It was nice to read about the Valar debating about inviting the elves to dwell in Valinor. And I thought it was sweet that Namo was so kind in not judging Vaire's decision.
[i]Before Oromë could respond, Námo slowly rose and all gazed upon him with wonder, for he appeared to them in a foreboding light, his amaranthine eyes dark with something none of them could put name to and in the words that he then spoke there was the echo of Another’s Voice:
"So it is doomed." [/i]
I love these lines the best. They stand out clearly.
Author's reply
Hi, Alquawendë. I'm glad you enjoyed the chapter, especially the last paragraph. And I'm assuming you've enjoyed the story as a whole. *grin* Now that it's completed, I'm looking forward to writing other stories that have been sitting on the back-burner for a while patiently (or not so patiently) waiting their turn. Thanks for your reviews. I much appreciated them.
Sunny
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Whaaat? Is the story finished already?
Hmmm … I suppose all stories must end sometime. At least it means that I can start at the beginning and read all the way to the end now, instead of just to the end of the latest chapter (which can sometimes be quite frustrating. No more waiting on tenterhooks to see what happens next for _this_ story.)
There was of course a bit of final fun. I certainly liked "Never let it be said that I would deprive anyone, even Melkor, of a few homey features to their cell." *grins*
And then, on a more foreboding tone, "So it is doomed." (We know about some of that, don’t we?)
So now you can start on something new. What will it be about? How Irmo and Námo got to be such inveterate gamblers? Why Glorfindel and Thranduil are _always_ quarreling with each other? (I loved Aragorn’s little quip in Tâd Edhel a Firion of whether Glorfindel knew that Thranduil _wasn’t_ an balrog…) How Glorfindel and Elrond got to be friends? Thranduil learning of Legolas' new best friend? Perhaps the stories behind some of Vairë’s more … interesting …tapestries? (if Vairë will let you have a peek in her private gallery, that is.) Glorfindel and Echtelion making pranks in Gondolin? Or what happened to that first fëa to arrive in Mandos? The story of the first reborn Elf? Or maybe you will tell about the journey of the Elves to Aman? Perhaps you will take on one of the more neglected characters like Círdan, Fingolfin or Fingon? (Yes, I know that Fingon is very popular among slash writers, and I have grumbled to you about that before. And the main reason I do not care for slash is that that _other_ sort of action often takes the place of the story actually moving forward, or attempts to distract from bad writing and bad plotting – at least in the stories I have read. (And those, btw, are not problems in _your_ stories.))
You certainly won’t lack things to write about. It shall be interesting to see what your muse comes up with next.
Author's reply
Finished already? I've been writing this story for the last year and a half! *lol* But as you say, all stories must end sometime and I always knew, even as I was writing the first chapters, that this tale would end here since the Valar will not go to war again until the very end of Arda at the Dagor Dagorath and that's a whole separate story right there. None of the Valar participated in the War of Wrath, even though the Maiar did, so that doesn't count.
Your list of possible stories for me to write is rather amusing. I would *love* to get a peek at Vairë's private gallery, and hope some day she will deign to show me some of the more interesting tapestries. I like the idea of taking on some of the more neglected characters and you may see some of them in the future, though not necessarily in expected ways. We'll see what the Muse has to say about it.
Thanks for all your reviews, Sunny, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to let me know how much you enjoyed the chapters and the story as a whole.
Tari
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
I can't imagine how horrible it would be to be lock in a small room, chain to a chair for centuries. Yet, I wish they had left Melkor there forever. It is what he deserved.
I would happily join the Valar; too bad so few of the Firstborn felt the same way.
Your final sentence is scary. (Is this the end of your tale?)
Author's reply
It would have been nice if the Valar had left Melkor to rot in Mandos, but of course that's not what happened.
Actually, according to the Silmarillion, most of the FIrstborn did attempt the journey, though not all of them made it to Aman.
Your final sentence is scary.
As it was meant to be, and yes, this is the end of my tale. _Metta_ is Quenya for "End".
Fantasia
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
The last chapter...I will miss this story, I only reviewed once, but I loved evry single sentence. Thanks for this winderful story, be sure that I learn a little about astronomy...and you made Namo my favorite.
I hope that this si not the real ned, that you have a sequel, Melkor second rebellion, the Noldor exile, I'm with Ulmo, it was a mistake to move the elves to Aman, but I guess that even the great ones make mistake...and the secondborn, in my opinion, the most beautiful creation in Arda, I bet that they will be a puzzle to the Valar, because they are really so different for them and the elves, not only because the mortality, because our final trip is so unknown to them, mortal will have a great gift, to be with our Creator.
Anyway, thank again and I'm reading and following your other stories as well, even if I don't review...
Fantasia
Author's reply
Thanks, Fanatasia. I'm glad you enjoyed this story and all my others. I appreciate any and all reviews you leave whenever you are so inclined to do so. Now that "Wars" is done, I am indeed working on the Darkening of Valinor, which I have hinted at throughout my "Elf, Interrupted" series. It will be some time before I'm ready to post it though, but in the meantime I will continue with my other stories and perhaps write some shorter more light-hearted pieces along the way.
6336
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Oh Rats! I was hoping for more!
Well we have Melkor tucked away in his cell, Namo finally giving in to his wish for vengance, even as mild as it was, (I expect he would have enjoyed pumalling Melkor, not for himself but for Vaire!)and the decision made to bring to Children to Aman, should have listened to your gut feeling Manwe, I think Namo knows it is going to backfire on you sometime in the future.
Now to go back and reread it, expect more comments!
Next up The Coming of the Children?
Lynda
Author's reply
Well, the story had to end at some point. *grin* I don't know what is next on the agenda, perhaps something a little less epic in scope. I need the break. *lol* We'll have to see what the Muse has to say about it all. Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreaciate it.
ellie
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
"So it is doomed." What a powerful and foreboding ending! Wow!
Author's reply
And it's straight from the "Silmarillion"! *grin* Glad you liked this chapter and the story as a whole. Thanks for all your comments and encouragement. I appreciate you taking the time to let me know how much you were enjoying the story.
Radbooks
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Ah, very well done. I'm sorry to see this one end, I really enjoyed it. Thanks so much for a wonderfully creative tale!
Author's reply
Thanks, Radbooks. I'm very glad you enjoyed this story. I had fun writing it and am sorry to see it end myself. Thank you for all the reviews you took the time to write. I really appreciated each and every one of them.
Ces
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
Wow. I feel as if I've been on this journey right alongside all the Valar. That last chapter definitely left me breathless. The end of the beginning.
Shivers ran up my spine as Namo uttered those words, "So it is doomed." Great story, wonderful characterizations and descriptions, and all around superior writing! Congratulations on this tale.
Time for a light-hearted tale next?!
Ces
Author's reply
Hi Ces. Shivers up your spine is exactly the reaction I wanted from the readers when Námo utters those fateful words. *grin* I'm glad you enjoyed this tale and that you found the characterizations and descriptions wonderful. It was definitely a labor of love as I felt the Valar's story should be told.
As for what comes next... I'm afraid that's up to the Muse, but there may be a more light-hearted tale somewhere in there. Just keep your eyes open. *grin*
Thanks ever so much for taking the time to leave reviews and let me know how much you were enjoying the story. I really appreciated them.
Thalanee
· 30 January 2009
· Chapter 55: The Last Debate
A wonderful last chapter.
I read it with one laughing and one crying eye (as the saying here in Germany goes): a laughing eye, because we finally know how the story ends (though we actually already knew that) and a crying one, because it is the last chapter and somehow I would wish the story to go on forever. Last chapters always seem to have that effect...
I really love this story and I hope that your muse will whisper to you more tales of the Ayanumuz, the Quendi and the Edain (especially our favourite Ayanuz ;-) ).
Thank you for this wonderful story!
Greetings, Thalanee
Author's reply
You're welcome, Thalanee. I'm glad you enjoyed this story. I enjoyed writing it and was sorry to see it end, myself, but I always knew *how* it would end even down to the final sentence. *grin* I'm sure there are many more stories out there about the Ayanumuz, the Quendi and the Edain for me to write, so I don't think I'll be out of job, so to speak, any time soon. *grin* Thanks for reading and reviewing. I really appreciate it.
Kitty
· 25 January 2009
· Chapter 54: The Trial of the Fallen
Nice trick to get rid of the fire-demons. Only a pity Manwë didn’t discover that one a bit earlier ;)
It’s quite ironic that the Ayanumuz used Melkor’s own chain to bind him securely, you know. Oh well, serves him right, considering for what he used that thing before.
Entering Utumno must have been creepy, to say the least. And to find Melkor in this state, he who was meant to be as beautiful as the other Ayanumuz, must have been hard for the others, particularly Manwë. Tulkas, on the other hand, really, really enjoyed to *finally* get his hands on Melkor, I suspect.
I enjoyed it when Námo during the trial finally faced down Melkor. Well done, Námo! Don’t give him the satisfaction of still being afraid of him!
That chapter left me feeling more than once that Manwë should have listend to the others. Not only about the flooding of Utumno and Angamando, but about Melkor’s punishment as well. Melkor is well past correction, even if Manwë doesn’t want to believe that.
And poor Námo – I can imagine that he is not happy to have his beautiful halls turned into a prison and to have Melkor, of all people, there!
Author's reply
Well, I guess in Manwë's case the ability manifested itself when it was most needed and not before. *grin*
Aulë spent a lot of time investigating the properties of Melkor's chain that Oromë took with him when they rescued Vairë and Therindë, so he was able to improve on it, much to Melkor's regret.
I'm sure entering Utumno was indeed creepy and not even the Ayanumuz and Máyar wanted to stay there any longer than they needed, which is why their search of the place (and Angamando) was cursory at best.
Námo needed to "face down" Melkor at that moment. It was really his last chance to be forever free of Melkor's influence. That he did so in defense of Vairë rather than for his own sake doesn't matter, only that he did. I think that having done so, he was able to accept being Melkor's jailer and deal with it in a 'professional' manner.
Tolkien states that even the best of us have a blind spot simply because we are imperfect creatures, even the Valar. Melkor was Manwë's blind spot. Unfortunate, but there you are.
Tari
· 23 January 2009
· Chapter 54: The Trial of the Fallen
Ulmo is right. Flooding Utumno and Angamando with Melkor inside would be the best idea. Oromë also had a good idea; put him in a desolate galaxy and leave him in chains. Unfortunately that was not to be. We all know what happens later. I’m sure Atar knew Melkor would never repent which is sad because he could have had such a wonderful life if not for his greed.
Author's reply
That's true, Tari, but of course, Melkor was too entrenched in his own evil to ever think about that. And, of course, there would have been no guarantee that even chained on a desolate planet in some far away galaxy he wouldn't be found by his minions and released. So, it went as it did and history is as it was, much to the sorrow of many but hopefully it will be remade into something beautiful in the end. One can only hope.
Sitara
· 22 January 2009
· Chapter 54: The Trial of the Fallen
Although I’d rather prefer to cut off my tongue than to admit it, I have to be fair and say that Manwë did the right thing. Except for not resolving to flood Utumno and Angamando, Manwë acted correctly, from my point of view, as in regard to both sentencing Melkor to prison rather than to death or banishment to a deserted galaxy and deciding the length of his imprisonement. For this was a war meant not only to stop a fallen Vala , but also to give him another chance. Whatever the risks would be hence this decision (“banging head against the wall and crying out”), I have to say that if Eru considered those risks worth to be taken, I will relent and accept He knows better than I do.
Due to your stories, Manwë is beginning to fascinate me, forcing me to dig deeply and deeply into Tolkien’s world (I had hoped to avoid it, but you , dear writer , along with our esteemed Mr. Professor , have both managed to struck my most sensitive chord. “attempting a smile”). Not only that he’s giving now the full measure of his power and status, but he now displays the most touching facet of Atar’s Love: to not give up, not even at Melkor, to always feel pity rather than anger towards a fallen being. I’m even ready to bet that Manwë’s feelings are very much the same during the Dagor Dagorath as well. “smiling sweetly at the author”. But everything comes to an end.
I personally don’t think Manwë would be unaware of his brother’s malice. There could be two reasons for his decisions. One, he keeps offering him a chance after another, hoping he would eventually repent of his crimes. On the other hand, you may know something, as a pure and perfect being, but you simply cannot believe it, because is inconceivable to you. Hence Melkor’s trajectory: first, the prison from Mandos’ Halls , second , the Void and, third and final, the complete annihilation. This would be one from the many reasons for me believing that Dagor Dagorath and the second prophecy of Mandos are both vital. I didn’t know for a long time about them and not knowing this seemingly unimportant detail, erased at editing, made me unable to read more than LOTR from Tolkien’s works. Therefore, I will join the already existing and growing club and I will beg you to consider writing about Dagor Dagorath and its aftermath. If and when you have time, it will be worth the waiting, how long may it be. ‘smiling widely”
As in regard to how Námo would handle his charge , I think I saw something about it in my poorly translated Silmarilion: it was said that during those three ages Melkor had remained utterly alone in his cell. But I do not trust translations anymore. “grin”.
If anything , I would have believed Melkor prouder. He pulled out a disgusting show, only to perform it once more after three ages. Coward and poltroon, on top of all. He’ s truly pathetic in my opinion. Yet the Light of the Two Trees seems to draw him (like a moth to a flame “sticking out tongue”) , but it managed only to make him reach new levels of malice. Námo’s anger for what the Children had suffered in Melkor’s hands enabled him to confront his enemy and this should have remained forever into the Valar’s minds. Only if they knew that this will happen again, even more grievously....
"Should not whatever punishment we devise be for his correction and rehabilitation, so that he might repent of his crimes against us and Atar?"
"Oh, Brother, what hast thou wrought in thyself?"
"Wilt thou not turn away from thy folly and remember thy first Joy, which rests in Atar's love for thee?"
Thusly should speak the King of Arda and I would have him in no other way. You captured perfectly Tolkien's vision.
"The doom of the one may well dictate the doom of the other." True enough. As true as it is that the forgiveness granted to one may dictate the doom of the other. Or at least to hasten it.
Thank you, dear Fiondil, for another wonderful read and hoping for much more "grin", Sitara
Author's reply
Manwë's role is probably the most difficult and few could have the fortitude to do as he did in light of what they knew or thought they knew. I'm glad that my stories are forcing you to look at Manwë more deeply as well as Tolkien's writings. As for the Dagor Dagorath... it is my hope to someday be able to write about it, but that day is far off. Now that "Wars" is done or nearly so (one more chapter to go) I am working more diligently on the Darkening story that I've hinted about throughout "Elf, Interrupted", though it will be some time before I'm ready to post the first chapter.
Your translation of the Silmarillion is correct. The English version says, "For it came to pass that Melkor, as the Valar had decreed, completed the term of his bondage,dwelling for three ages in the duress of Mandos, alone." I think you are correct that this only made him prouder and less repentant. It might have been better if they had just dropped Melkor into a black hole and be done with him, but of course that is not what happened.
Thanks for your review, Sitara. I appreciate your insights and comments.