Ah, look at that. Legolas, Annael and Turgon. Truly a meeting for the ages. The boat thing sounds like lots of fun. Now, Siondel was one of Eilian's friends, right? That's how he would recognize Annael.
Seems like the universal response to going to a funeral is to bring food. That seems to be a universal thing. After the funeral, a feast, to remind us that we're still alive, after all. Uncle Bernie's funeral was on Erev Yom Kippur, and we had the big feast anyway.
Author's reply
The boats were fun because Turgon is so creative. He makes it so the other kids see all kinds of things happening. What fun, if they don't drown.
Eilian and Siondel are the same age, but not exactly friends. Not enemies. Just not on the same wave length.
French Pony
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Okay, it's appropriately dark outside, and I am free of homework for the rest of the week. Time to read!
I liked the sense of the Shadow as a palpable Thing, twisting around and creeping into Elves and trees as if it had a will of its own. Tolkien likes to pair up good and evil creatures such that each good creature has its own evil parody -- Elves and Orcs, Ents and Trolls, Hobbits and Gollum, I guess -- and the Shadow seems like that kind of evil parody of the tree chorus.
I also like the sense of Thranduil sort of semiconsciously being an imposing presence. Clearly, that's a mask that Eilian has trouble approaching, and Thranduil either cannot or will not turn it off when dealing with Eilian. No wonder they have problems with each other.
And it seems that Elves are forever vulnerable to holes opening up in the ground.
Author's reply
Free of homework is the best feeling in the world.
I think Eilian and Thranduil did better when Lorellin was alive because she kind of smoothed the way between them. Heck, she smoothed them a little! But for Eilian and Thranduil, it's always a bit of a struggle because they're very different. And as you say, Thranduil is imposing even when he's trying not to be.
meckinock
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
Poor Eilian. It must have been torture, listening to his father and Ithilden debating a course of action and forcing himself to keep silent. Yay for Maltanaur.
I don't blame Eilian for varnishing the facts. There was no point to inflicting a cruel truth that only had the power to hurt.
And here is Legolas with his new little friends. Turgon is already showing much potential for instigating trouble. Of course he wants to go out into the river. I'm surprised he didn't! And I love seeing how Legolas worships his big brother.
Author's reply
I'd have trouble keeping silent while debate went on. I'd get uppity and forget my place. But Eilian has Maltanaur to help keep him on the straight and narrow. It's a good think Eilian likes him.
Turgon is imaginative as hell. He'd be fun to have for a friend. Unless you were the mother and father.
Manderly
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
Ah, what kids could do with a bit of tree bark and imagination! Even at this age, the differing personalities of the three friends are already emerging. Good thing Eilian came along or it might have been elflings bumping along the river rather than just the boats. Turgon's nana is proving herself to be an accomplished space cadet already. The elflings could have sailed all the way to Numenor before she would even notice anything amissed. Guess Lorellin didn't know what risk she was taking when she left Legolas with Mirdaniel.
Quite contrasting images of warriors discussing orc problems and the elflings at play. I am glad the innocence of childhood has not been stolen from these elfings, yet.
Author's reply
Eilian did come along in the nick of time because Turgon's nana was busy. :-)
When I was writing this, I was thinking about my son and a friend playing outside the friend's house when they were small. The mother came outside to check on them and found them spraying oven cleaner at some toy soldiers. That was scary.
Lorellin doesn't know Mirdaniel. Yet.
Gwynhyffar
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
Legolas is adorable here, and it's the lovely beginning of a great friendship and lots of trouble. Lorellin needs to stay home and not go visit her relatives. Tell her to stay home!!!
Author's reply
I love Little Legolas. He's just trying to figure out how the world works. And he has friends now, just like Eilian does.
Stay home, Lorellin! Stay home!
elliska
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
Poor Eilian. You do have to feel for him at times like this. He (somewhat justifiably) feels he has important information and important skills that are being dismissed. And as Lorellin observes, no one in the House of Oropher is good at listening to too much talking. I feel for him here.
And I admit I couldn't help looking ahead to read the whole part with the children because I was so worried about Legolas being left with Turgon and the river and a neglectful nana supervising. That was a recipe for disaster and it nearly ended in one. Poor little Annael, though. I am glad Eilian saved his boat.
And I love how you wove in little bits like Turgon's father missing his audience as a minstrel (almost succeeded in making me sorry for him) and his mother being too scattered to find such important letters.
Author's reply
Eilian has a tough time. What he has to offer is valuable and good, but it's not always recognized.
The kids are amusing me. I have a couple of other play times planned for them. Writing about Little Turgon just cracks me up. Little Legolas admires him. He simultaneously fascinated and appalled. LOL.
obsidianj
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
So, Legolas found his later friends. Even this young their personalities are already there. Annael more thoughtful before doing anything and Turgon head first coming up with harebrained schemes. Legolas kind of in the middle. Is he the youngest of the three? I forgot their ages. And Eilian fuelling the childrens imagination by walking on hidden stones in the water. I'm waiting for Turgon to try this trick and falling into the river.
Author's reply
You have a good memory. Yes, Legolas is the youngest by a couple of months.
Eilian was in a tricky position. He probably knew he shouldn't do that in front of the kids. He used to be a harebrained kid himself. But he couldn't let Annael's boat escape. :-)
Thanks for the review, Obsidianj.
rikki
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
Annael and Turgon. What a wonderful beginning to a long and deep friendship between the three elflings. Though it sounds like Mirdaniel is a real spacey elf. She has letters for Lorellin and yet hasn't even thought about looking for them. And her supervision of her son and his friends at the river had me gritting my teeth. How one of them didn't end up swimming in the river is probably a minor miracle. Eilian came at a good time to find Legolas though he may have accidently provided a future adventure for Turgon. Because I just know that he is going to go find those rocks in the river. Annael may stay on the shore, but I have a feeling Legolas is going to be right behind Turgon.
How comforting and traditional in taking food to the grieving family. But how does one convey sympathy in Lorellin's situation while speaking to Helith about Fithral? Maybe she couldn't say something profound, but I think by being there she has transcinded being Queen making a visit and become a Mother who understands the love one has for a son. It is sad knowing that someday the roles are reversed and it is the love of a son for his Mother who has died.
Author's reply
I love writing about Little Turgon. He's so creative and daring. And man am I ever glad he's not my son's friend! It must be great for Legolas to have his friends admiring his brother.
You're so right about Lorellin. She listens and lets Helith talk, and she praises Fithral for his bravery and service.
Thanks for the review, Rikki.
Lianna
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
Considering how flaky his mom is and how badly she is supervising these little kids near water, it's surprising that Turgon survived as long as he did!
Author's reply
LOL. No kidding. The kid comes by his looniness honestly.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 3: Meetings
The scene in Fithral's house was heartbreaking. The depth of agony his parents and brother felt was so sad, but so true. I think it was harsh to criticise Eilan for the lie that Fithral died quickly - a lie he probably wants to believe himself - when Lorellin tells a similar lie when she claims to know how Fithral's parents feel. Eilian's lie is far better than telling the truth in this case.
Turgon's mother is a rather useless guardian for three adventurous elflings, isn't she?
Author's reply
I would have told the lie too, but I have a critter elsewhere who's very into medieval stuff, and she says that in those cultures, lies were very big deals because their promises, bargain, deals, etc were all oral. So you had to be able to trust someone's word. I thought that might be doubly the case with the son of a king.
But it did surprise me as I was writing along and found Lorellin being critical of Eilian. She's usually not. :-)
erunyauve
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
>>His mother took up her knitting, and Eilian eased back on the bench, sipping his wine. The fire was warm and the clicking of his mother's knitting needles was soothing. Perhaps he would not go out tonight after all. He felt as sleepy as Legolas, as if he might be able to sleep the night through without stumbling onto a dream path crowded with terror.
There's something about the unexpectedness, and the way things weren't as they seemed, that makes Fithral's death more horrible. I'm also guessing that there wasn't much left for the warriors to recover.
For Legolas, though, he's still young enough not to understand much, or have a real concept of death, so it's natural for him be awed and quiet at the funeral and able to forget it quickly.
Author's reply
Fithral's death was about as horrible as I could stand to write. It would sure give me nightmares if I had witnessed it. I figure there were bones left and that's about it. Ick.
Thanks for the review, Erunyauve.
pipinheart
· 19 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
I like that you seen this through Eilian eyes. Thranduil is trying to help him, its one of thier more reasonable talks as well. Eilian is taking this hard, and it is possible that he too has shadow sickness, though he'd never admit it to anyone.
I loved the drescription of the trees that was covered in shadow, nice work...
Update soon, this is nice...
Author's reply
I had to decide whether to have Eilian just tell his father what happened or to show it in a sort of flashback, and I decided the flashback was more dramatic. It was also kind of grim to write. Ick.
Eilian does indeed have the beginning of shadow sickness, but he's pretty resilient, and he's home so he's getting better. And he's not about to admit even to himself that he could have it.
Thanks for the review, pipinheart.
Brenda G.
· 18 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Daw, I have been out of circulation for a very long time now (two back-to-back moves and lots happening on the home front), but I was so delighted to look up this site again after my lengthy absence away and see this story by you. As usual (and always), I am hooked from word one and ready for more stories from you as quickly as you can churn them out. Your writing just gets better and better. Oh, how I have missed this!
I noticed in reviews of the first chapter that you talked about working on a "second novel" which means (I conclude) that you have written a first? If so, how in the world can I get my hands on it? I've always maintained that you should collect your stories into a book. Is that what you have done or does this first novel stand alone? If you have written a novel, I cannot express my joy to see this personal dream of yours fulfilled. Equally, I cannot express the urgency of my need to have, hold, devour from cover to cover, and treasure forever a copy of this fabled work. When you have time, please email me all of the delicious details of your first outing.
You are a marvel to me and your work like little miracles that brighten and bless and drive the Shadow away. I'm looking forward to the next installment of The Seeds of Time. Your Lorellin is enchanting.
Hope you are well.
B.G.
Author's reply
So glad you liked it, Brenda. Two moves in a row would wipe me out. It's so much work! Every time we do it, I swear I'll never do it again.
Lorellin is interesting to me. I've never written from her POV before and I'm just getting to know her.
I've been trying to write original fic, which is the main reason I'm writing less fanfic. I've completed one novel and am trying to interest an agent, and I have a draft of a second. I'll email you some more about it.
daw
Idhreniel
· 18 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Wow... what a terrible death indeed. Thranduil was very accesible to Ellian this time. It must be hard for him to hear his son talking about such a scene. It was a sad chapter, but the way you write about those characters is amazing.
Author's reply
Eilian and Thranduil approached one another more easily while Lorellin was alive, mostly because she smoothed the way between them, I think. You're right that Thranduil probably did feel his son's pain. He's seen things Nana hasn't. This is one story that Nana isn't going to hear.
Thank you for your kind words. They make me feel good. :-)
White Wolf
· 18 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
When Legolas said, "Nana said this was for Fithral, but where was he? Which warrior was he?", I cringed right along with Eilian. It really brings home how children have their own view of things, doesn't it?
Eilian's story about the Shakow and Fithral's death was well done and made me shudder. I think being pulled down into a hole by horrid creatures would terrify me beyond words.
A sad but well done chapter.
Author's reply
Being pulled into a hole by orcs is nightmare stuff. I don't want to think about it and I wrote it. Ick. The best I could do was have an orc slash Fithral's throat so he'd at least be out his misery quickly. Ick again.
Legolas's view of the world is interesting to write. He amuses and amazes with the creative and off-beat interpretations children make of things they don't understand.
Idhreniel
· 18 March 2007
· Chapter 1: Homecoming
Oh, it's great to read from you again! This time you gave us the queen to read... nice. I like her and the way she snapped at Thranduil. Someone who he allows to face him hehe.
Author's reply
Working with Lorellin is interesting to me. I thought I knew her until I started writing from her POV and then my characters started being different around her, especially Thranduil. And she's turning out to be headstrong, charming, flawed, and so necessary to her family. I'm glad you liked it.
Dot
· 18 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Great chapter, daw.
The funeral scene was very well done. I thought it was interesting that even as Eilian thinks about how he’s glad he doesn’t have the weight of responsibility that his brother and father must bear, it’s still duty that he struggles with. But more than duty as king’s son or warrior to his people, there’s what he seems to feel is his duty as wood-elf to the forest. I loved the little details to show us how the others are feeling – Thranduil’s “public” face, Ithilden’s straight back, Legolas’ wide eyes and Lorellin’s scanning of the trees. It really is sad that Legolas knows the words of the song of mourning – and it very poignantly suggests that it’s a song with which most of the Woodland Realm are familiar. Poor Gelmir :-(
The heartbreakingly small wrapped bundle of Fithral's bones. Oh God. That’s heartbreaking. I was torn between wanting to know what happened to him and really, really not wanting to know.
He looked away into the smoke-smudged trees. That’s a gorgeous description.
"You may lean on me any time, Naneth, though to me, it still feels the other way around." That’s really sweet. And I think her way of offering support to a son who doesn’t want to need it is by asking for it for herself.
I actually had tears in my eyes at Legolas’ questions about Fithral. He’s very literal, as small children are. It must be so hard for his parents to have to explain death to a child when really the only way his people die is as the result of evil.
"Alas, at present my stories are out of favor, and your naneth's are the truly desirable ones." I loved that! It’s a great glimpse of a real family unit and family life. And the easy way in which Eilian notes Thranduil’s tiredness suggests people more comfortable in each other’s presence than we see later.
"I know." Thranduil's face was impassive, but Eilian believed his father did know. Body and spirit, he was so connected to the Woodland Realm he probably felt the twisting of each tree. In the face of his father's stolid endurance, Eilian felt like Legolas whining over a skinned knee. I thought that was really moving. I love the idea that Thranduil’s tie to the forest is that deep but it’s quite distressing to think how that which gives him his power must also cause great suffering as darkness spreads through it. Mmm, I love your Thranduil… Though Eilian shouldn’t be so hard on himself. He’s a wood-elf and he’s out there every day. It’s no wonder he’s affected and he needs to know it’s ok to be.
I was glad to see Eilian give in and talk to Thranduil. But what a horrific time he’s had :-/ He opened his mouth to give the order, then bit back the words. Todith had told them to take care. He should muster his small patience and follow the safer course of action. Ooh, that’s interesting! It seems Eilian once upon a time was learning to control himself and not act impulsively until his world turned upside down.
The descriptions of the Shadow and of the choking, rotting woods were just amazing. It felt so heavy and stifling to me. I’ve never seen the Shadow seem such a tangible presence either. It was incredibly well done. The difference when they emerge from the area touched by Shadow gave me such a sense of relief. I hadn’t realised I was holding my breath along with Eilian until I released it again when he came into the sweeter air and birdsong! But that whole section really was so tense. I was wondering what they could have missed and where the orcs were gone. I’d swear my heart stopped for a second when Eilian realised that they were in tunnels. I was torn then between thinking how clever yet horrifying that was!
A twisted maple slowly tilted, its branches stretched out to the other trees as if pleading to be held, its roots tearing away and rearing up like a gigantic, spiked shield. Everything seemed to be sliding toward a hole collapsing into the forest floor. Everything, including Fithral. *covers eyes* Oh God, that’s sickening. I can’t even think about it. Or about what they found when they went into the tunnels later. But you did a great job, daw. You really showed the reality what these warriors face.
"And you conclude I have let the Shadow damage me? I thought that really showed how Eilian seems to think it would be a personal weakness to let the Shadow affect him. He is so sympathetic towards Gelmir but he doesn’t want to think that he could possibly allow himself to be so weak. The only thing is that he’s naturally quite upbeat and energetic so if he gets to spend some time away from the Shadow and with his family – always assuming he can overcome his guilt at not being there to fight for his home every minute of the day – he might recover quickly. I was glad anyway to see him draw some comfort from Thranduil. But everyone in his family has something to offer him if he just gives in and accepts it.
I’m loving this. More please :-)
Author's reply
One of the things that's interesting to do with multiple POVs is show how each character sees the others, and I'm having fun with that in this story. My POVs are going to be Nana, Eilian, and Legolas (sorry, no Ithiden POV). I think those three would see their family from pretty different angles. So that's more or less why you got Eilian's view of everyone at the funeral.
And you're right about Lorellin offering support to Eilian, even as she asks for it from him. She made a difference to him, helping him be calmer, I think. He slipped out of his own control and everyone else's after she died.
I racked my brain to think of those tunnels. I wanted the orcs hiding somewhere new for a change, because it just seemed to me to be pretty convenient for there to be caves everywhere in the woods.
You're right on the money about Eilian thinking of shadow sickness as a weakness in him, though not in others. Because as you say, he's tied up in duty to his father and people, and most of all to the woods. Sitting around while others deal with it seems self indulgent to him, and no son of Thranduil is going to do that without guilt.
Glad you liked it, Dot.
Gwynhyffar
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Poor Eilian. He is so concerned with infecting others than he can't really look out for himself. Thranduil, Elbereth love him, just can't keep from rubbing Eilian the wrong way. Even when he's worried about Eilian, he can't really step away from the authoritarian in himself. That seems to haunt him when it comes to Eilian and even Legolas a bit.
The thought of orc tunnels makes me sick. When I was reading the bit about going into the tunnels, I was thinking of Shelob's lair and that... well, at the risk of being too gross... smell of rot. It's an overwhelming sick smell that you never forget once you've experienced it. You even taste it for a few days when you try to eat. Oops, I wasn't going to be too gross! At any rate, I feel for Eilian having to go in there.
I also feel bad that Legolas is finding himself in the position of having realm responsibilities placed upon him so young. Even if he didn't fully comprehend what was going on, I'm sure it will affect him.
Good job as always, Daw.
Author's reply
Eilian truly believes that it would be self-indulgent to say he has Shadow sickness. He learned responsibility early too, even if he is still a little adrenalin addicted.
The taste of rot is a pretty gross thought. Would this have anything to do with the moose in the well? :-)
obsidianj
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
That was a sad story Eilian had to tell. I like the way you describe the shadow. Makes me shudder.
Author's reply
Thanks, Obsidianj. I'm not naturally good with descriptions. They're something I have to work at. So I'm glad these worked for you.
perelleth
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
This troubled relationship between Eilian and Thranduil is so interesting. THrnaduil will never ever let pass a minor slip of tongue and Eilian always reacts badly fearing that his Adar is judging him. Even with Lorellin alive it is sad to see how difficult it is for these two to have a peaceful relationship. NOw poor Eilian and poor Gelimir, no wonder they are both affected, that was surely a very distressing experience. Being home will make him good.
Author's reply
Thranduil and Eilian are temperamentally quite different (as are Lorellin and Ithilden), and that makes it hard for them, although I do think they do better with Lorellin there to smooth the way.
Home will indeed help make things better. Especially baby brother. :-)
Elena Tiriel
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Hi Daw,
Just a note to let you know how much I am enjoying this, even more now that Eilian is featured....
Thank you for sharing it with us.
- Barbara
Author's reply
Thanks, Barbara. Eilian is always a good thing. :-)
perelleth
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 1: Homecoming
Two chapters on a row for me!
WE know this family so well that LOrellin comes as a welcome stranger. They are all truly familiar except for herself, yet it is so good to see her in her place among them, and to glimpse how life was when she was there. I loved how she calmed Ithilden and how she knew what was wrong with Eilian...while you keep an eye on Legolas´point of view... I loved his interest in what Annael and the other boy were doing, and how very small LEgolas still is that he is afraid of the river being angry! That was a lovely touch!
NOw I am going for the second one!
Author's reply
I'm still trying to figure out what Lorellin was like. I've shown her in glimpses before but not in this intimate way through her own POV. She was really good for all of them, I think.
Manderly
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
The encounter with the orcs gave me shivers. What a horrific death for Fithral, something which will no doubt bring on night after night of nightmares for his comrades who witnessed his death.
Amazing description of the Shadow. I could almost feel it creeping onto me. Must be so heartbreaking for the elves to see it encroaching onto their beloved trees and befouling the air that they breathe.
So sad that as young as Legolas is, he is already experiencing death and mourning. I wonder how that would affect his notion of the immortality of elves.
Author's reply
Writing about Fithral's death gave me shivers. Thank goodness there's healing for him in the Halls of Waiting and then in Valinor.
You know, I'm interested in your point about how many elves in Tolkien's world think about immortality. In theory, they have it. At least until the world ends. But in practice, they see an awful lot of death. Think about Thranduil returning with only one-third of the force his father led away. And the time of elves is ending. Do they know that? Does it affect their sense of things going on and on? Of course, I'm not sure we know how to think about that anyway because it's so foreign to us.
Good question, Manderly.
And thanks for the review.
sofia
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
Good chapter. Sheesh... that was NOT a good way to die at all. Poor Fithral! No wonder Eilian is getting nightmares.
Little Legolas and big brother Eilian are too cute, I bet Legolas will tire him to the bone with the plans he has.
I was reading through your other reviews when I came across Jess's and her question about your story See the Stars. And when I read that you had considered deleting that story I have to say "DON'T! Please don't!"
Author's reply
Yeah, I thought that chapter was kind of grim. So much so that I afterwards thought I shouldn't have posted it in the evening because it really wasn't good bedtime reading.
Legolas adores Eilian and that's good for Eilian I think. He needs a dose of innocence.
I haven't deleted stories yet. I probably won't. It was just that I kind of cringed at how crudely the early ones were written.
Thanks for the review, Sofia.
The Karenator
· 17 March 2007
· Chapter 2: Funeral
I'm so far behind with reviewing.... Doesn't life know I have better things to do, like read and review stories? How incredibly rude.
I missed reviewing Chapter One, so I'll just summarize with a hearty 'squee'.
Chapter Two: intense. My favorite part was the creativity of the orc tunnels. I really liked that. And the sinkhole. Oh, man. How awful for everyone. I can see why Eilian would be slightly off balance. There's nothing worse than feeling helpless and that situation was terrible. I don't even want to think about why the bundle at the funeral was so small. Oh dear...
I also loved the description of the forest in the south. The leaves being tinged with slime and curling into themselves was very vivid. The whole scene was haunting. I could hear the stillness and feel the heaviness of evil. Well done, your minstrelship.
I'm slow with reviews, but I'm trying to catch up on reading and reviewing. Don't give up on me. I always love your stories and this one is no exception.
Did I mention my fangurl squee? :>)
Author's reply
You shouldn't feel obligated, Karen. I know how busy you are with other people's needs right now, needs that are a lot more pressing than mine!
The tunnels creeped me out. I considered following the elves into them but decided against it. Ick.
As you know, I'm not big on description, but the union of landscape and evil and the harm done to Eilian's spirit is really hard to resist.
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Go write about Daeron.