Agape4Gondor
· 15 April 2009
· Chapter 66: Pearls of Grief
Beautiful chapter. Theoden will indeed have to be the wisest he has ever been. But I do not doubt him. He has shown his quality throughout this hideous time.
I'm glad Widfara lives and will recover. As for the others, I can understand their not wanting to 'help' the enemy, but mercy must be given.
Love the title and the quote.
Author's reply
Thanks Agape. Thengel will have to call upon ever resource of wisdom he has to deal with the traitors. In spite of the adversity he has suffered, he has been able to remain true to himmself.
I don't think I could get away with killing off Wídfara; too many readers adore him, as do I. *lol*
Gilhael and Aragorn, while they have naturally sided with Thengel in this bit of anarchy, they are outsiders so they can deal with healing those who may or may not have been traitors more easily than the Rohirrim. And since Thengel has ordered that they be treated fairly, the Dúnedain have no problems making sure that they are.
I'm glad you like the title and the quote. It was just serpendipity that I happen to stumble across that particular passage just when I needed it. *grin*
6336
· 15 April 2009
· Chapter 66: Pearls of Grief
Oh, what a marvelous way to handle grief, helps to stop you going off the deep end!
Thengel is right those lords have a lot to be answered for!
More please,
Lynda
Author's reply
Thanks, Lynda. When I read that passage from the Elegies, I just knew I had to incorporate the image of the 'pearls of grief' into the story. And considering who first spoke these words to Gilhael, they are especially poignant, I think.
Rhyselle
· 15 April 2009
· Chapter 66: Pearls of Grief
I'm leaving for a meeting and don't have time for a thorough review, but I had to tell you that this chapter is, I think, one of the best of the last four or five you've posted. The characterization here was just perfect for each of our protagonists, and the "walk-ons" felt like real people. Great job tying up the threads of the plot too!
Author's reply
Hi Rhyselle. I'm glad you think this is one of the best of the latest chapters posted. I've tried hard to make even 'walk-ons' be as three-dimensional as possible and I'm happy to know that in your estimation I've succeeded. Thanks for letting me know. I know how terribly busy you are with your work at this moment, so I really appreciate you taking the time to leave this review. And since we're coming to the end of the story there will be further tying up plot thresds in future chapters.
Arwen75
· 15 April 2009
· Chapter 66: Pearls of Grief
Another wonderful chapter - and the bit with Aragorn speaking as Chieftain of the Dunedain & rightful King although unknown to the other two was lovely. I shivered when they went into the liwaeg - and am looking forward to seeing how this story continues, and how Thengel deals with teh rebels. With mercy I can see for those pretty much forced to fight, but as for the others...
Author's reply
Thanks Arwen. I'm glad you liked this chapter. Neither Thengel nor Denethor know of Aragorn's true identity here so they don't realize the import of his words to Thengel. The next two chapters will cover the trials of the traitors and we will see to what extent Thengel shows mercy to them.
Larner
· 11 April 2009
· Chapter 65: Triumph and Tragedy
How could any not recognize the Horn given to Merry? And it worked its magic on those who fought for Thengel? How wonderful!
I find myself contrasting the image of Thengel, hope restored, sitting with this horn in his lap (and so fitting the bearer of the Horn of Gondor should sound it) with that, many years later, of a worn Denethor sitting with the shards of that other horn in his own lap, so much of his own hope lost with the son who had borne it. Too bad he could not hear this one sound again, even as it heartened the folk of Rohan at his hand and as it would one day hearten those of the Shire as well!
Now--the questioning of the Umbari!
Author's reply
It is an interesting contrast between the two characters, isn't it, and not one that I consciously had in my mind when I wrote it, but certainly there are parallels. I'm glad you pointed it out, Larner. Very perceptive. We won't get to the trials immediately (there's a chapter in between) but we will learn something more about the Umbari soon enough.
Agape4Gondor
· 8 April 2009
· Chapter 65: Triumph and Tragedy
Great chapter - great battle scenes! I loved Denethor's 'aplomb' at taking care of 'business' - he knows how to galvanize a group of warriors and terrify those who are his enemies... or the enemies of Thengel's.
Nicely done -
Author's reply
Thanks, Agape. I'm glad you liked Denethor in this chapter. He is, after all, the son of the Steward and a warrior. He's used to galvanizing warriors and terrifying enemies; it's in his 'job description'. *grin*
6336
· 8 April 2009
· Chapter 65: Triumph and Tragedy
Yay! The King is back where he belongs, on his throne in Meduseld!
I thought that discription was familiar!
More please,
Lynda
Author's reply
Yes, he's finally where he belongs, though there is still much for him to do. I figured having the Horn of the Mark make an appearance at this critical juncture was apropos. *grin* Glad you enjoyed the chapter, Lynda. Thanks for letting me know.
Arwen75
· 8 April 2009
· Chapter 65: Triumph and Tragedy
Yeah anopther chapter - and what a chapter. Resolution of much, but now to see what happens. I am really enjoying this story and looking forward to seeing where you take it next.
Author's reply
Thanks, Arwen. I'm glad you liked this chapter. More to come.
Larner
· 2 April 2009
· Chapter 64: The Tide Turns
Two more choices for the right! Hooray! Now Thengel has more than a fighting chance, as more turn from slavery to proper fealty! Excellent. Too bad the Haradri is lost to the one who would have sacrificed him for Sauron's purposes!
Author's reply
With some of the men of Edoras who had been forced to do the traitors' bidding, turning against them, Thengel's chances of winning is much improved. Unfortunately, the people of Harad have been too long under Sauron's shadow and the guard was lost long ago.
Shoshana_Rose
· 1 April 2009
· Chapter 64: The Tide Turns
I'm still enjoying this story! For some reasons, my reviews haven't been going through, but here's another try.
This story has excellent control of tension, and you have a talent for wringing emotion from scenes primarily about battle or tactics, which is impressive, because descriptions of these topics can easily become overwhelmingly dry.
I'm still enjoying your characterizations, and the way that you have your characters "growing up" over the course of the story. Not just Thorongil, but also Widfara and even Thengel have undergone subtle changes over the course of the story-arc.
As a graduate student in ancient West Asian history and languages, I was tickled to see one of the characters named "Tammuz." :) (Tammuz/Dumuzi is a fun figure in Akkadian and Sumerian texts).
As always, your command of language is consistenly demonstrated, and your grammatical notes at the end (even giving your readers variant forms) is very much appreciated.
I am eager to see what will happen after all of this action is over, and the characters are given a chance to breath, reflect, and grow.
I'm thoroughly enjoying this story. Thanks so much for writing it!
Best,
Shoshi
Author's reply
Hi Shoshi. Well, I'm glad that this review went through okay. If you're still having problems you could contact Nilmandra about it or send me a PM with your thoughts on the chapters.
Anyway, I'm happy to hear that you are still enjoying this story and thank you for your kind words about my storytelling and my linguistic abilities. I appreciate them very much.
I find that many times when I read about battles or individual fights in fantasy stories I end up skimming over most of the description because the action is lost on me. All I want to know is who's left standing at the end and get on with the story. *lol* So, my own battle scenes are not very detailed (I leave that up to the readers to fill it in from all the fantasy movies they've seen) and concentrate on the the emotions certain characers feel at the time.
As an armchair Sumerologist myself, I wanted a name that was distinctly NOT based on the Sindarin culture of Gondor and I didn't want to follow Larner's ur-Egyptian culture that she created for Harad in her own stories, such as "Lesser Rings", so I went slightly more east for the character's name. I always liked Tammuz/Dumuzi myself, which is why I chose it for the hapless Haradi. *grin* The Umbari, of course, was a different matter. As the descendent of the Black Númenóreans, he would have spoken Adúnaic and so his name is based on that language.
There's not much more to tell of this story, but hopefully you will find the ending satisfactory. Thanks again for your encouragement and support. I look forward to hearing from you in the future.
Arwen75
· 1 April 2009
· Chapter 64: The Tide Turns
Well that has at least moved us on a bit - I just want to know what happens to Aragorn now.... And see Thengel back on his throne.
Author's reply
We'll see what happens to Aragorn and Thengel (and everyone else) in the next chapter. I'm glad that you are still enjoying the tale, Arwen. Thanks for letting me know.
Agape4Gondor
· 1 April 2009
· Chapter 64: The Tide Turns
Bravo! Excellent chapter - glad the tide seems to be turning.... Traitors turned from evil - that is very good....
And the thought of the Kin-strife in the midst of all of this was great. Glad Denethor had some Gondorians with him..... More fun fighting with your own...
Again, Bravo!
Author's reply
Thanks, Agape. I'm very pleased that you enjoyed this chapter so much. More to come. *grin*
Arwen75
· 24 March 2009
· Chapter 63: Opening Gambit
My first review, but only because I hadn't realised I could for some reason.
Anyway I am loving this story, but have to say you have left this at a real cliffhanger and I will be anxiously awaiting the next update. I loved the different POVs in this chapter - it is good to know everything that is happening in the battle to retake Edora and just hope things turn out in the end. Can't wait to see how Aragorn faces the Umbari in the end....
Author's reply
Hi Arwen. I know what you mean. It took me a while to figure out how to *respond* to reviews. *lol* Anyway, I'm glad you figured it out and I am even more glad that you are enjoying this story. I'm also happy that you liked the different POVs. I felt it only fair to let the readers know what was happening elsewhere in Edoras as Thengel fights to regain his throne. Sorry to leave it at a cliffhanger, but between the network being upgraded and my having to go to London for most of next week, I figured it would be easier to just wait until I got back to update with a new chapter. Thanks for letting me know how much you've been enjoying this story. I really appreciate it and look forward to more reviews from you in the future.
Larner
· 23 March 2009
· Chapter 63: Opening Gambit
At least the wight is no longer there to support them with its terror! Heh!
Now, to take out the Umbari necromancer. And if anyone can do that, it would be Thorongil.
Author's reply
That's true, Larner. The enemy will have to rely on their own powers now. I think that will be Thorongil's first order of business: take out the Umbari. We'll see what happens in the next chapter.
Agape4Gondor
· 23 March 2009
· Chapter 63: Opening Gambit
Excuse me - you cannot leave us here - like this - with the enemy forces encompassing our friends.... YIKES!
Oh well - you do realize I will have no nails left by the time you return.
Great chapter - filled with mayhem and madness and tension and fear. Loved Denethor's not wanting to leave Aragorn - they will fight together in the future...
Glad Widfara is going to be ok.....
What a battle and on so many different fronts! Great job!!!!
Author's reply
Sorry, Agape. I didn't intentionally plan to leave this on a cliffhanger, but as it turns out, we got a notice saying the local network would be down for about a week while they upgrade it and it just happens to coincide with me going to London with Nina while she consults with her London doctors about upcoming treatments. Even in London, I'm not sure I'll have easy access to the internet so I figured I wouldn't worry about posting new chapters until I got back to Germany. By then our network should be up and running again.
Anyway, I'm glad you liked this chapter, even if it does end with you hanging by your nonexistent nails. *grin* When I first started writing this story I had decided that the POV would remain Aragorn's throughout so that the reader only knew what he knew. The only time I deviated from that was when Wídfara almost died. However, when I came to this chapter, I decided that it would be unfair to the readers to only know what Aragorn knows at this point and having to wait until someone told him what else was going on. So, the next few chapters while the battle for Edoras wages on, you will get various viewpoints.
Thanks for your review. I appreciate it.
Sunny
· 17 March 2009
· Chapter 62: Battle in the Licweg
So the necromancer is one of the Black Númanoreans. Makes sense. I suppose that sort of thing takes both a talent for “magic” (where his Númenorean blood would have an advantage), scholarship (the knowledge of _what_ to do and _how_ to do it) as well as the right cultural background (and we all know just _who_ had such a deep influence on Umbar – ever since the second age).
It wouldn’t surprise me if Saruman had discreetly engineered the Necromancer’s presence in Rohan – though the rest of the world won’t find out that he has turned for quite a few years yet.
It makes sense that Wídfara would wish to strike first at one of the rohirrim. That one of his own countrymen was party to _necromancy_ obviously had him in a fine fury!
So the Necromancer was trying to spellcast again during the fight, and Denethor stopped him. Good tactical sense, that! And ensuring that the Necromancer will explain himself to Námo as soon as possible makes even better tactical sense.
A worried Aragorn isn’t a good sign, but I hope Wídfara will come through this injury reasonably well. Though I am sure _he_ would have added to Denethor’s insistence that Aragorn go after the Necromancer, if he had not been unconscious.
Author's reply
Hi, Sunny. Yes, the Umbari are up to their old tricks and in league with the Haradri as well. Whether Saruman had anything to do with it we will have to wait and see. Certainly, I think he might have engineered certain meetings between people even if he didn't have direct dealings with anyone. Since the last meeting of the White Council occured 3-4 years before, he can hide in Isengard and not have to deal with people like Elrond or Galadriel who might sense a wrongness about him that didn't exist before.
At any rate, the machinations of the traitors will be revealed in due course. As for Wídfara... never fear! he'll soon be in good hands. He's out of the fight but he'll recover eventually. I wouldn't dare kill him off, he is an elf-friend, after all. *grin*
Agape4Gondor
· 17 March 2009
· Chapter 62: Battle in the Licweg
Wow - great tense battle scene. Though short and sweet - it was very forceful. I loved Denethor's hitting (mimicking a Hobbit, unbeknownst to him) the necromancer with a rock. I'm glad someone saw the danger.
Can't wait to read more - but I truly hope you have no intention of killing off a certain sweet Rohirric lad!!!
Author's reply
Thanks, Agape. I'm glad you found this chapter tense and exciting, short though it was. Don't worry about Wídfara. He may be down but he's not out. Aragorn would never forgive me if I killed him off. *lol*
Larner
· 17 March 2009
· Chapter 62: Battle in the Licweg
So--she sold out to Umbari "help"--folk who then betrayed her in hopes of taking power behind Gondor. Fascinating!
Author's reply
It may be that others brought in the Umbari, Larner. Éolind might have objected to that help, which is why she was eliminated, but we won't know for sure until the end (and maybe not even then! *grin*). But yes, I'm sure the Umbari saw this as an opportunity to seize power so as to isolate Gondor completely. Of course, we know this did not happen, but the thought that it could have does still liw in the realm of possibility, given the geo-political realities of the late Third Age with Sauron again on the rise.
Elena Tiriel
· 13 March 2009
· Chapter 61: Riddles and Runes
A fascinating chapter!
The wraith-bane chant you created is very well-suited to the situation, and your knowledge of Sindarin is impressive.
I was especially pleased by Wídfara's presence of mind, and I loved the riddles! They were perfect....
And thank you for the link to the Exeter Book riddles; I had seen a few before, but this is a treasure trove. I have added the link to the author's notes for my WIP drabble series.
Nice work!
- Barbara
Author's reply
Thanks, Barbara. I'm delighted that you liked the wraith-bane chant and the riddles and Wídfara's role in the chapter. There are other sites beside the one I give here that have the Exeter Book riddles but this one was the first I found and therefore the one I used for both the translations and the solutions. I'm glad that it will be of use to you in your own writing.
Anonymous
· 12 March 2009
· Chapter 61: Riddles and Runes
This just isn't really working for me. I think I lost track of what thin plot is present several chapters back. The characters really are sort of flat, and in some cases could be carbon copies of one another. There really isn't any humor (although your own description says that 'humor abounds), and there just doesn't seem to be any joy in your writing.
It saddens me, because I think some of your stories have some potential. This, though, feels like you're plugging away at something that you long ago lost interest in out of a sense of duty rather than writing because you have a passion for your story. I hope you find your joy someday.
Author's reply
I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm even sorrier that you don't have the curtesy to leave a signed review, and I wonder what you're afraid of. Normally, it has been my practice to delete anonymous reviews without bothering to answer them since generally anonymous reviews are heavy on negative cricticism, and that's okay, but they offer no real constructive cricticism that I can use to make my writing better. I have decided to keep this one up as I wished to answer it and let others read it.
As for my writing... I cannot nor do I try to please everyone. I simply write as I feel the need to with as much care and love and passion for my craft as I can muster. Being human, I know that sometimes I miss the mark, but I hope that overall my writing is enjoyable to others. While I admit that "Stirrings" has never been my favorite story to write (I'm more interested in First Age elves than Third Age humans and this one was more or less written by request), I have always approached it with as much respect as I've approached my other stories. Had I decided I didn't want to finish writing it, for whatever reason, I would have removed it from the site with apologies to anyone who was reading it. I've always hated writers who start a story but never finish it and just leave it on the site.
And with regards to writing out of a sense of duty... in a way that is what every writer does. They write out of a sense of duty to their craft and to their readers. There are times when that sense of duty is the only thing that keeps a writer (or anyone in any type of work for that matter) going, for you can't have a fun time all the time and sometimes you just have to plug away at whatever work you are doing. You should know this even from your own experiences of everyday life. Joy may be diminished but it's always there or else you would simply stop doing whatever you were doing, especially something that's a hobby as this is for me.
If people find my writing boring or uninteresting or whatever, they really have two choices, as I see it: they can either stop reading and go elsewhere (and not bother to leave an anonymous review such as yours, the purpose of which apparently is only to make me feel bad about myself) or they can offer me constructive criticism and encouragement, letting me know that while I may have missed the mark in this instance, they still value me as a writer and want to see me become better at my craft.
I hope what I have said here will help you in the future when you feel the need to leave a comment on someone's story. Negative criticism is fine so long as it is followed by concrete constructive criticism, otherwise, it's useless to the writer.
Sunny
· 12 March 2009
· Chapter 61: Riddles and Runes
You can find the Edda poems in several places on the Net, if you are interested. Here are a few links:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/index.htm
http://www.septentrionalia.net/etexts/index.php#on
http://www.cybersamurai.net/Mythology/nordic_gods/LegendsSagas/Edda/PoeticEdda/Index.htm#en
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14726
You can be fairly certain, when a piece of literature has seen its first millennium and is still enjoyed, that it can't be _bad_.
My greatest favorite is Þrymskviða - extremely funny!
Author's reply
Thanks for the links, Sunny. I've always been interested in the Northern mythos but they were never as readily available in translation as the Greek and Roman myths. And you are correct about enjoyment. Some stories never go out of style.
Ainu Laire
· 12 March 2009
· Chapter 61: Riddles and Runes
This chapter was *awesome*. It is definitely one of my favorites in this story.
I loved the riddle game! It seems that it is not only Hobbits who use such a mechanism to stall time ;) What I loved more, however, was the chanting that the three men of Numenorean lineage did. Your expertise at Tolkien's languages- and indeed the English language as well- make this story so rich. As I have told others, it is almost as if I were reading Tolkien himself.
Reading about Denethor and Thorongil, however, really makes me want to cry. Already there is a budding friendship in between them- a companionship that would have been a legend, I think, if it stuck. I can only wonder what broke it- I imagine Ecthelion's honor for the captain, Denethor's pride, and Denethor's discovery of the other man's true heritage all added up to what came to be known as a rivalry between two men who should have remained friends.
You do realize, however, that now after this adventure in Rohan is done I'm wanting to see Thorongil in Gondor (and maybe hear what happens to Gilhael, since he was not recorded about but is also a great man), and watch Denethor turn from awesome to not-awesome.
Bah, I look too forward in the future. I can't wait to see what this battle in Edoras is like, Thengel's reaction to his mother's body being used to summon a wraith, and, of course, meet the villains who summoned the wraith. Good action up ahead, I suspect!
Author's reply
Hi, Ainu Laire. I'm so glad you think this chapter awesome. Riddles are an ancient tradition and the Anglo-Saxons were well know for them, having recorded hundreds of them. Since the Rohirrim are loosely based on their culture it just seemed logical that riddles would play an important role in the lives of the people of Rohan as well and certainly Wídfara put them to good use. *grin*
Aragorn and Denethor's budding friendship here is very poignant, of course, because we know how it ends so badly. It indeed would have been a legendary friendship if jealousy had not gotten in the way.
At any rate, I really have no plans to continue this story to Gondor. I know there are others who would like to write about Aragorn's time there, but I have no real interest in it. I suspect that Gilhael will accompany Aragorn to Gondor to watch his back.
We will actually meet the person responsible for summoning the wraith in the next chapter. Thanks for your review. I really appreciate you taking the time to let me know how much you are enjoying the story.
Agape4Gondor
· 11 March 2009
· Chapter 61: Riddles and Runes
Absolutely excellent chapter...
I loved the riddle game and the boy's courage - wow!
Riddles have always been a riddle to me *giggles* - I like Dora the Explorer's - they're easy. What color is the sun and such! LOL
Again - great chapter!
Author's reply
Thanks, Agape. I'm glad you liked this chapter and the riddles. I can never figure them out myself but I enjoy their complexities and metaphorical language.
Linda Hoyland
· 11 March 2009
· Chapter 55: Explanations and Revisions
I like your portrayal of Denethor and his very early suspicions.I'd love to know what happened if Aragorn had to care for awounded Denethor.The arrival of the ARagorn's great rival to be has certainly cranked up an already tense .A nice moment for Widfara..
Author's reply
Hi Linda. I'm glad you like Denethor here. I don't think Denethor is actually suspicious of Aragorn, or considers him a rival, since Aragorn is in Rohan at this time and there's no indication that he would eventually go on to Gondor. I think many readers are projecting what they know will happen in the future rather than what is happening now. For now they are merely acquaintances and comrades-in-arms with the common goal of helping Thengel regain his throne. And Wídfara is always ready to defend his swordbrother against all comers. *grin*
Sunny
· 11 March 2009
· Chapter 61: Riddles and Runes
Widfara is in excellent company as a riddler. Bilbo would obviously be the character who would be the first to pop into the minds of those who are likely to read this. _My_ personal favorite riddlers is Gagnråd (which is Odin’s alias in Vavtrudnesmål), and Morgon of Hed, in Patricia mcKillip’s _Riddle Master_ trilogy. (I would more or less expect you to have at least a nodding acquaintance with Norse Mythology – but if you haven’t yet read McKillip’s books, go and buy them! The trilogy is a lovely and poetic piece of literature.)
So the Dúnedain (I include Denethor in this, since he is also of Númenorian descent) do the heavy lifting in getting rid of the wight. Though Widfara is in his own way essential, since he is the one who buys the others the time they need. And the riddle contest is quite in keeping with Tradition. (The Edda, in this case)
As for the wight: I am sorry to say it wasn’t able to make spiders stage a ballet around my spinal coloumn. I don’t read much of that sort of thing (horror, that is), but it doesn’t take a full-blown chtulhuoid to keep me awake at night. It just takes … attitude. And while you are a very good writer, I don’t think creepiness is your strongest point. Perhaps it is the contrast between one of my recently bought books (_Wings of Wrath_, by C S Friedman – utterly chilling, that one!) and this story. Whatever, I was only able to raise a couple of very modest goosebumps (more out of respect for the story as a whole than the inherent scariness of the thing).
Or perhaps it was a matter of viewpoint. Widfara was after all only a distraction for the wight, and was more or less a bystander in the _real_ battle here.
Author's reply
I read the "Riddle-Master of Hed" trilogy ages ago when it first was published. I'm familiar with the Eddas though I've not read them even in translation.
I really wasn't happy with the wight myself, but just couldn't seem to figure out how to make it creepier. You would think after writing Melkor in "Wars of the Valar" (now there's creepy for you!) I would have that down, but I guess I'm not into evil ghosts all that much. *grin* I think for me the focus was on Wídfara acting as a distraction with the riddles, as you say, followed by the Dúnedain fighting it on a different level. Anyway, I'll have to work on it, but I'm not all that much of a horror fan myself.