Radbooks
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 85: The Joy of Serving
Oh, it's hard to be a servant, but it really can be a joy IF your heart is right. It's tough for the son of a king to see that, though Finrod seems to have learned it pretty well already, but he's been in totally different circumstances. Being Namo's apprentice ought to be lots of fun for Ingwion!
Author's reply
We are, of course, all servants, to one degree or another, to each other. Whether we enter into such service with joy or with something that is less than joy will determine how we will fare as servants, as well as how we will fare as masters when we must step into that role as well.
"Námo" and "fun" in the same sentence.... I didn't think it was possible, but you may be right. *grin*
Radbooks
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 84: Obedience is a Verb
Oh, that would be hard - to be compared to Feanor! But, once you start not listening it does indeed become a slippery slope and it's very, very hard to climb back up it. Fortunately, Ingwion's heart is in the right place and I think he's willing to learn, although he was quick to shift the blame to Glorfindel. He's fortunate - though he doesn't think so right now - to have the Vala helping him so he doesn't turn against them.
Author's reply
Ingwion little realizes at this moment how much the Valar's love for him is what is keeping him from following down Fëanor's path of self-destruction. Their method of correction is probably a case of "tough love" but it is effective as it seeks to break down the self-delusional barriers Ingwion has erected around him, which is why he is able to shift the blame for his own failings to another (an all-too common practice among humans, as well).
Radbooks
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 83: On the Shore of an Endless Sea
I know it's been forever (I suppose I shouldn't use a word like forever when reviewing a story about immortal beings, but you get the idea! *grin*)since I've reviewed, but I've been enjoying the story very much. Thanks so much for writing and sharing it with us.
I think I feel worse for Ingwion here than I felt for either Finrod or Glorfindel. They at least had gone through tough situations before and, I think, found it at least somewhat easier to come to terms with what was happening to them. But for Ingwion he's never been through anything quite this difficult before.
I loved the 'end of the world' joke even if Ingwion didn't appreciate it! I would like to have dolphins as playmates, too. I've had a chance to do that once or twice when I've traveled but the cost has just been too high. :(
Author's reply
Ingwion's situation has been different from either Finrod's or Glorfindel's, so he's not used to "reversals of fortune" that the Reborn have suffered and not necessarily just in dying either. This is definitely a new experience for the ellon, but it can only work out for the good in the long run.
I've never had a chance to play with dolphins either, but maybe someday....
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 87: The Servant-Prince's Oath
He managed the 'M' word.
And to be openly indignant at the superfluity of Valar and Maiar cluttering up his room. I think he'll survive the experience of apprenticeship. But will Aman? (I suspect it'll be better for the experience. After all, something clearly needs to be done. And the Valar are gathering a mighty collection of elves to do the job.)
Author's reply
I think Ingwion is much like Finrod in this regard. Being the firstborn son of the High King, Ingwion has had lots of experience watching his atar react to "superfluity" in lots of situations and has simmply taken his cue from him. The Valar apparently recognize the "Ingwë look" in the son and find it all rather amusing.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 86: Losing a Bet, Gaining an Apprentice
Ouch. Still - it sounds as if an apprenticeship with the Valar is a fairly standard part of royal learning in the Blessed Realm. Ingwion hasn't yet attained the flexibility of the reborn - but I'm sure Namo will do his best to keep him unsteady until he has learned to be rather more open to new experiences.
Author's reply
Being Námo's apprentice will do Ingwion (and ultimately Aman) much good. Being kept off-balanced does help teach one flexibility and Námo is unnerving enough in his own light to keep anyone from being too complacent about things.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 85: The Joy of Serving
I'll bet Ingwion didn't feel he needed this lesson in service as an expression of love. Not that peeling potatoes and weeding will do him any harm at all!
Author's reply
Ingwion has only a surface understanding of "service" as something one does out of duty. He's the haryon to the High Kingship. That position entails much privlege but also much in the way of obligations. He has not yet learned that those obligations, when entered into with love and joy, transform duty into a deeper sense of service; that one in fact becomes "a servant to the servants" the way Námo does in this instance.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 84: Obedience is a Verb
He's reverted to the childish stage, then. And the only way is up. Although there will doubtless be a lot of tumbles along the way!
Author's reply
Ingwion has had his entire world turned upside down and he's not even sure why, so his reverting to a childish stage is understandable under the circumstances. Eventually though he will see that a little shaking up is good for the fëa. He may come out of the experience with a more mature grasp on reality.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 83: On the Shore of an Endless Sea
It's quite hard for Ingwion to accept what is happening. Not reborn - and too used to being a king's heir and a lord. Do him good to get jiggled up a bit. And Namo's service - well. It's a bit of a game, but good for him, too.
Author's reply
We will see how much a "game" Námo's service really is. Ingwion getting "jiggled up" a bit will only do him good in the long run. This has probably been a long time in the making.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 82: Furtherance
Promotion ... yes, it often is as much a penalty as a privilege. And Vorondil is still living on the outside of his skin - poor brat.
The whole service aspect is very all-encompassing! Even the masters have masters. It reminds me of the old 'great fleas have lesser fleas upon their backs to bite'em. And lesser fleas have smaller fleas and so ad infinitum.'
Author's reply
The Amanian social structure (as I've envisioned here) is very hierarchical with ascending and descending duties and obligations, as well as rights and privleges. It is very much "Catholic" in it's worldview, and this is something that Tolkien himself would have recognized (and approved) as being the "natural order of things". So, yes, even the masters have masters, with Eru Ilúvatar the Master of All.
Bodkin
· 1 May 2007
· Chapter 81: Judgment on a Minor Note
Vorondil isn't going to find it easy to obey Finrod. Still too much of a brat. But he will learn. He's not going to be given much chance to do otherwise!
Author's reply
Well, with thirty years to practice, I'm sure he'll get it eventually. The Judgment and its aftereffects should help.
eiluj
· 28 April 2007
· Chapter 83: On the Shore of an Endless Sea
Five chapters! You’re officially forgiven for going on vacation.
"You must not carry on so. It’s not the end of the world ... well, actually it is...." -- There aren’t many situations where one can say that and have it be true, and you’ve found one.
"What else am I, if not a prisoner? I’m not here of my own free will.” "Neither was Findaráto when summoned to Lórien, nor Glorfindel when sent to your own city. -- Since I doubt that Tiutalion is normally aware of Finrod’s or Glorfindel’s doings and feelings, I am imagining the staff meeting Nienna held preparatory to Ingwion’s visit....
I love the dolphins calling elves “star-children.”
Author's reply
Staff meeting.... hmmm. No doubt, but then these are Maiar we're talking about. I'm sure they also are able to "lift" information from the Eldar as they need it and their Valarin masters keep them informed about a lot of things not necessarily in their purview.
Considering that "Eldar" means "People of the Stars", it seems reasonable that other sentient creatures would refer to them the same way. *grin*
vampfan30
· 27 April 2007
· Chapter 87: The Servant-Prince's Oath
Just when I thought that Namo couldn't get any neater, you fool me!!! I think I might be a little in love with him. The way you describe him in these last few chapters really wowed me......That, & I am just a sucker for a good head of black hair ^_^!
Author's reply
Námo is just full of surprises, isn't he? *grin* He definitely isn't your typical "doom-and-gloom" Vala, that's for sure. I think Ingwion (and others) will be redefining how they label the Valar after the dust settles on all of this, Námo not the least. I'm glad you are enjoying the story and Námo. Thanks for letting me know.
Edlyn
· 27 April 2007
· Chapter 29: Travel Plans
Oh, I so enjoyed seeing Arafinwë in the role of Atar to Glorfindel and Sador in this chapter. If either of them had any doubts that they hold the place of sons in his heart, I think those doubts should be quieted now.
When Arafinwë informed Glorfindel that he wasn't to mention Finrod's stuffed toy, I could practically see and feel Glorfindel's reaction. He's disappointed that he can't have fun teasing his gwador but he's also relieved to be reminded of the boundaries of good behaviour. As tempting as teasing is, it could have truly hurt and embarrassed Finrod, which would end up hurting Glorfindel as well when he finally got around to realizing the fact. Like any good and loving parent Arafinwë is well aware of the potential for hurt on both sides and stepped in to prevent it.
Sador's comment about why couldn't he have a stuffed toy was so very typical of a younger sibling and it was obvious to me that he said it just to lighten things up a bit. He does have a merry heart, doesn't he?
Regarding Amarië's potential reaction to Finrod's occasional need for his stuffed toy, I wonder if she just might surprise everyone if she did find out about it. She isn't unintelligent, has become more aware of the mix of maturity and childishness that is inherent in being recently Reborn, and she does love him. Now that her own hurt is healing, she might be more accepting of his need/want for the toy than anyone would believe. Hmmm. Now that thought has generated a plot bunny... I'll let you know if it decides to settle in and tell me anything specific.
I couldn't help but snicker when I read that Arafinwë spent the morning drilling Glorfindel and Sador on the history of Aman. I can just see their faces... and hear their longsuffering sighs and the unspoken "Do we have to?" when he informs them that's how they'll be spending their morning.
Ah, now we come to it, the problem of Tol Eressëan and Amaneldi relations. Glorfidnel is right in that it wouldn't be a good idea for Finrod to go to Tol Eressëa and Arafinwë is even more correct in that Glorfindel should also not go. The potential repercussions of either of them going there make me shudder to think about. We know there are already issues between the two groups and unfortunately the possibility of an embassy back to Tol Eressëa would be like lighting a match in a gunpowder factory.
I can just see Arafinwe gesturing Finrod and Glorfindel back when Sador panicked. Truly it was best that he comfort and reassure his ward. And Sador's panic was perfectly reasonable in my opinion. We've already discussed in my previous reviews Sador's self-image and identity in regards to being a warrior as wel las a potter and now here's another new identity he has to learn how to accept, that of a diplomat/ambassador. I find it telling of just how young he really is (despite the centurues spent in Mandos) that he hasn't realized that a person can have many identities and still remain themself. One day I'm sure he'll realize that he can be an artisan, a diplomat, a warrior, a brother, and any number of other things without having his identity as any of them negate any other (did that make sense?).
Ah, Finrod, that's what you get for oversleeping. The early bird might catch the worm but the folks who show up late end up with all the difficult or unpleasant jobs. But it didn't turn out so unpleasant or difficult after all, did it?
It is the hurts we aren't aware of that cause the most damage isn't it? I really feel for Laurendil and Manwen. They both need healing so badly.
You know I have the feeling that the Valar are appearing more often than they used to in the halls of the Eldar, otherwise I think the rooms would have been built larger and more spacious just because of the psychological necessity.
This is a very well-written transition chapter, meldonya. I hope you have a good time on your holiday and I'll keep working on catching up on my reviews. This is literally one of the best LOTR fanfics I've read in regards to character development, plot and complexity. Best of all, it remains in Tolkien's world in feel.
May you live blessed,
Edlyn
Author's reply
Hi Edlyn,
As you can see, I'm back from my holiday. I had a great time, thank you. I was happy to see you had a couple of reviews waiting for me, so I had best get on with responding to them, hadn't I?
I think Glorfindel and Sador are stepping into the roles of "younger brothers" to Finrod rather nicely at this point with all that that entails. Arafinwë well remembers when his younger sons were elflings, how they were with Finrod as well, and recognizes Glorfindel's glint of mischief for what it is. And Sador is reveling in being the "kid" brother to both Glorifndel and Finrod, having been the responsible older brother in his previous life.
Laurendil and Manwen both have a lot of healing to do, but Lórien was designed for that purpose and however much Laurendil may hate the idea, his fëa craves healing more than he realizes. Manwen, of course, has fewer objections to the idea, but she is chary around the Valar, not sure what sort of reception she might get from them.
Sador is indeed quite young and the centuries spent in Mandos have a timeless quality to them so that it is almost as if no time has passed for those in Mandos. It's like waking from a very long and involved dream to find that only a few hours of the night have passed, even though in the dream one has lived an entire lifetime. Psychologically, Sador is still only 68 years old, so his reactions to things are not as mature as they could be had he actually lived the centuries he spent in Mandos.
I'm glad you think this story is so great. I've tried very hard to keep it within canon.
Kitty
· 27 April 2007
· Chapter 83: On the Shore of an Endless Sea
Poor Ingwion, I can understand so well why he felt a prisoner and all that. But it seems subconsciously he has indeed not yet come to terms with his defiance earlier, even if it was so understandable.
Ingwion playing with the dolphins was a wonderful idea, Fiondil!
Thank you for updating five chapters at once, and a wonderful holiday to you! Enjoy the time far away from greedy readers and have fun!
Author's reply
Ingwion has always "toed the line", so his defiance probably came as a surprise to him as much as it did to anyone else. Like they say, "You have to watch out for the quiet ones". *grin* He's probably suffering from delayed shock over the entire incident and isn't sure what he should do about it. Luckily, the Valar recognize what is happening and have taken steps to help him.
I thought the dolphins were a wonderful idea, too. Thanks.
And I had a great time on my holiday, but it's good to be back.
Kitty
· 26 April 2007
· Chapter 82: Furtherance
Vorondil attacking Eärnur for the way he adressed Finrod was rather ironic, wasn’t it? Though it is somehow touching – he is obviously coming to appreciate Finrod more than he ever thought possible.
"I suppose it would be too much to hope that you would be able to keep the Valar out as well?" That left me snickering. It’s rather unnerving at times to have the Valar pop up as they please, if you want them or not, isn’t it?
Poor Eärnur. No wonder he is so disturbed after this talking-to by Irmo. He is one of these who truly do their best, unlike certain others. But I am pleased to know the Valar are acting at last – it was about time.
*Now* the word „promote“ has a entirely new meaning for me *lol* What a way to „punish“ someone by saddling him with more responsibility! But I’m pleased – Vorondil seems to want to be a true apprentice, and I think it will do him some good to truly do something useful. And the expression seems to become something like a running gag *grin*
Author's reply
Vorondil is (in human terms) about 18 years old but his "Judgment" put him back emotionally to that of an early teen (part of the cleansing process that Judgment entails) so his reactions are now like someone who has a "crush" on an older person and will not hear anything bad said about them or to them. Rather amusing and he doesn't even realize what has happened to him.
Poor Eänur, indeed. It's hard trying to do your best and still be labeled along with those who are not doing their best, but as Finrod points out Lord Irmo wants to make sure ALL the Lóriennildi understand the facts of life and that it won't be business as usual anymore. When the Valar act, they act decisively, but never preciptiously, so if it seems as if they are taking their sweet time about things, that's only from our (limited) perspective. The Valar make their moves when they know it is right for them to do so and not before.
Punishment-by-promotion seems to be a novel way of going about things, I agree, but it probably works better than the alternative. *grin* Vorondil, like many young people, is status-conscious (think of all the teens weeping in despair because mom and dad won't let them buy that pair of jeans with the label on it that costs $150 when they can wear the same jeans without the label for $20), so being able to wear an apprentice's tabard, even though he ends up doing the same menial tasks as before, makes doing those tasks more palatable simply because he *is* wearing an apprentice's tabard. Convoluted thinking and not at all logical, but no one ever said that teens were logical anyway. *grin* At least Finrod is wise enough to recognize this and give Vorondil the affirmation he so desperately craves by allowing him to be a "true" apprentice.
>>And the expression seems to become something like a running gag.
Right up there with "I never whine!" *lol*
Kitty
· 26 April 2007
· Chapter 81: Judgment on a Minor Note
Considering that they themselves treated Finrod as an apprentice only a short time ago, it seems rather arrogant to me that the Lóriennildi now are nasty to Vorondil for not calling Finrod „Master“ – even more so as Finrod himself doesn’t mind.
And it is quite obvious it wasn’t the work for Finrod that caused Vorondil to run away, but the strain the behaviour of the Lóriennildi put on him. As angry as I was at him in the beginning, now I feel truly sorry for him. He doesn’t deserve this. The Lóriennildi should be ashamed – their duty is to *help* the elves in Lórien, not to humilate and punish them. Still, I held my breath as Finrod confronted the Valar about this, as much as he was right in the matter and I was glad he acted at all.
The judgment was another impressing scene, and I suppose now Vorondil is on the right way, to develop a better character and let go of his hatred.
I am curious though to know what you were planning to do if I had refused your demand. Me, too! Over the last few weeks, Finrod has changed a lot, from the more or less adolescent Reborn back to the powerful King of Nargothrond. It will be interesting to watch him returning to his family and taking on the task of stopping the distrust and hostility between the different groups of elves. He's truly a force to be reckoned with, even more so with Glorfindel, Ingwion, Laurendil and Sador at his side.
Author's reply
Finrod has been "out" longer than Glorfindel or Sador, so he is far advanced in his maturity. Having Laurendil return show up in his life again, constantly being referred to as "aranya" (my king)by him, has helped to speed up the process and the recent events have pretty much contributed to his maturing into the elf he was before his death, i.e. the King of Nargothrond and indeed a force (in more ways than one) to be reckoned with.
Kitty
· 25 April 2007
· Chapter 80: Once Again to Lórien
Finrod was very nice to Vorondil, sleeping with him on the ground simply to reassure him, even if it may be true that he enjoys camping, at least without orcs to worry about. And I was impressed how clear Finrod made his opinion in front of Lord Irmo. Rather disturbing for Vorondil to see this seemingly disrespect to a Vala, even if it was on his behalf, though it gives him an idea about Finrod’s power.
Loved Eärnur’s remark about the Sindarin lessons: Eärnur feigned a scowl. "Blast, and I was so looking forward to teaching him all the insulting words so he can try them on you." *lol*
Author's reply
One has to remember that all Finrod said at the trial was that he claimed the sole right, by virtue of accepting Aldundil's oath, to determine Vorondil's fate; that by accepting the father's oath, he was accepting the son as well. It was the Valar, through Námo, who declared Vorondil's status as Finrod's "thrall", a status that Finrod accepted but not because that is what he originally meant by his words. He recognized the Valar's right to add conditions to Finrod's claim on Vorondil because the ellon was guilty of breaking the Sérë Valaron. So, while Finrod accepts the role the Valar has pushed on him he accepts it on his own terms.
The scene between Finrod and Irmo highlights the true relationship between the Valar and the Eldar (and ultimately us as well), not as parent to children, but as elder sibling to younger siblings and all that entails (both good and bad). Mortals may be the "baby" of the family, but we're still "family". The same is true of the Eldar as the "middle child". Finrod is correct to call the Valar on the carpet over Vorondil's status. The Valar may have imposed the status of thrall upon Vorondil but Finrod as the ellon's "master" claims the sole right to redefine the terms and the relationship between them.
Edlyn
· 24 April 2007
· Chapter 28: Judgment Passed
Hello, meldonya. I had hoped to have reviewed this chapter right afer "Judgment Recalled" but unfortunately, dealing with unhappy real world events had to take precedence (the elder brother of my 18-year old niece's best friend died unexpectedly in a scuba diving accident). Coming back to this story has proved to be quite comforting amidst the grief.
I know the "hero"/primary protagonist of this story is Glorfindel but I find that I am making more emotional connections to Finrod the more I read about him. This doesn't mean that I don't care what happens to Glorfindel, but that if Finrod should disappear completely from the story, I would feel bereft (but not anywhere near the way Finrod felt at the realization that he'd never again be with the Edain).
Having realized this, I wondered why I felt this way and lets just say I ended up doing quite a bit of self-examination and thinking while trying to find an answer to my question. Over my life I've discovered that truly good writing will do this, whether is it a fictional story, a philosophical essay, a religious exegesis, a newspaper editorial, or even a playscript.
The whole issue of judgment that runs through this tale brings to my mind a quote from Socrates: "An unexamined life is not worth living"; which examination by itself can result in being completely unable to move forward, to being frozen with one's mind picking apart every single thing one's done, or sitting in fear and horror at truths about oneself one doesn't want to admit to the point where one isn't "living" at all.
I think Finrod's examination of his life (and likely anyone else's) in the Mahanaxar would have left him trapped like that except for the Valar's timely and appropriate interventions and comments which assists in moving him on to the very necessary catharsis and processing of what he's discovered about himself. Oh, dear, that makes the Valar sound like counselers and therapists in a psychology practice!
I found it interesting that after his examination and catharsis, Finrod took himself to an emotional time (and place, perhaps) long before he would have been capable of making the decisions he did that led him to become on of the Exiles. After such an overwhelming experience, being a toddler again where he would only have the most basic of responsibilities and a sure knowledge that there would be someone to take care of him and set boundaries and tell him what the rules are would be comforting and above all SAFE.
I can certainly understand Finrod's embarrassment at remembering being a toddler. For all that he is more mature in his rebirth than Glorfindel and Sador, in a lot of ways he's still that young teenager who wants to sink into the floor when his mother brings out the baby pictures.
Oh, yes, all of us wish that things in the past could be changed and it's so hard to accept that they can't be changed. The outrage that Finrod expresses is certainly something that I am familiar with. None of us likes to feel as though we have no control over things and the anger and resentment that we feel because we CAN'T undo things is reasonable so long as you are able to eventually let it go. I was very glad to read that Finrod managed to do so, and thus continue growing up.
"...in a desperate act of blind estel, he flung his fëa into the abyss..." I truly think that this bit is the most powerful part of the chapter, meldonya. Making that leap of faith is so incredibly difficult, letting go of our fears and trusting that when we leap we will not fall to our distruction but be caught up is so very, very hard. Neil Gaiman wrote a story in his Sandman graphic novels where the protagonist discovers that sometimes when we fall we fly, which was almost as powerful for me to read.
I loved it that Finrod decided that he still wanted his stuffed toy. I think it showed that he's finally accepted a lot of truths (including that yes, he did spend nearly a yen being a toddler and learning to reemmber and enjoy simple things).
And I think what I truly love about Lord Námo in the latter part of this chapter is his obvious care, patience, and love for Finrod. The sheer kindness of providing the bath and then staying with Finrod through the night really touched me.
Thank you, meldonya. I am glad to be able to count you among my friends.
May you live blessed,
Edlyn
eiluj
· 23 April 2007
· Chapter 81: Judgment on a Minor Note
“How would you like to be promoted?” -- Is Finrod’s life about to get even *more* interesting?
[I shall doubtless Go Mad trying to figure this out before you get around to the explanation....]
Author's reply
I'm sure it will be as he's probably been promoted from apprentice to journeyman or perhaps even to master considering how he's acting. We'll have to see.
eiluj
· 23 April 2007
· Chapter 81: Judgment on a Minor Note
“Finrod began systematically reminding them all that he was indeed Fëanor’s cousin and not to be trifled with” -- Fëanor’s cousin: yes, that *would* give them pause.
Poor Laurendil is having a rather trying evening.
Um -- either Aldundil’s undergone a name change or there’s something going on that I don’t know about. [Well, yes, I’m sure there are many, *many* things going on which I’ve missed one way or the other, but I don’t think this falls into that category.]
“He ran and ran, through one grove and another, past surprised Lóriennildi and disinterested Reborn” -- I daresay those disinterested Reborn *would* be interested if they had any idea....
Author's reply
Perhaps if you were more specific about Aldundil, I might be able to figure out what you find wrong. As far as I can tell, Aldundil's name isn't even mentioned in this chapter.
Author Reply: Oops! My bad. I found where you meant and have corrected the spelling of Aldundil's name. Thanks. I had another character with the name Aulendil and decided the two names were too similar and changed the other name and I must have gotten them mixed up here.
eiluj
· 23 April 2007
· Chapter 80: Once Again to Lórien
“A rather strange group of orcs” -- yes, considering the elves’ reaction to orcs, I can appreciate that Beor and his people were lucky it was Finrod who found them instead of some of the possible alternatives.
"Vorondil decided that, as circumscribed as his life might be for now, it was not likely to be dull" -- oh, little does he know!
Author's reply
The entire "camping trip" scene was somewhat inspired I think. Certainly, when I started writing this chapter, this was the scene that came to me first. Finrod is rather clever in the way he pulls Vorondil out of his state of self-pity. And with Finrod around, life is *never* dull! *grin*
MithLuin
· 23 April 2007
· Chapter 82: Furtherance
I love the punishment-by-promotion motif :) I was wondering what would happen to Finrod for defying his Masters. When are the elves going to learn that maybe, just maybe, the Valar know more than they let on? Though poor Vorondil is certainly going to regret being the center of so much attention, he seems alright for now.
I am also glad to see that he loves his father. I wasn't sure if his 'rebellion' was *against* his dad, as much as he thought it was *for* him. Judgement-without-death is an interesting idea. What did happen to the poor elf to get him so twisted so young? Melkor wasn't around to spread his lies, but his taint must have lived on in Valinor....and that is Finrod's job to eradicate, isn't it? Hmmm....
I was sad to see Ingwion go, but I suppose we can't follow around *too* many characters....
Author's reply
Punishment-by-promotion seems the best way to deal with some people. Finrod is in a difficult situation because he thinks of himself less the Valar's apprentice and more their equals (at least in some respects) so that he feels free to take them to task if he thinks it is warranted.
Whatever may have happened to Vorondil, it is certainly Finrod's job to eradicate it's effects, because if it has happened to one elf, it's likely that others are also effected by whatever taint has remained of Melkor's lies and hate. I don't think that Vorondil's case is necessarily unique, only the first one to manifest itself to the point where others are aware of it.
As for Ingwion... we'll be seeing more of him, never fear.
hanci
· 22 April 2007
· Chapter 79: Return to the Ring of Doom
I've spent so much time catching up with the story that now I don't have time to review properly. Sador's storyline was great and happenings on Tol Eressea really interesting. Glorfindel's host turning out to be Manwe shouldn's surprise me - well, who else on Taniquetil? And finally I know more about the Hunt.
As to the trial... wonderfully complex, with Vorondil's father arriving, various Valar appearing... I was surprised at first by their treatment of Vorondil, but I suppose it's the best way to change his views.
Author's reply
Well, you will have time over the next week to write proper reviews if you so desire as I will be on holiday in a few days and won't be dragging my laptop with me. I plan to update with three new chapters before I leave but I will not be updating again until the following weekend. At any rate I'm glad you enjoyed the chapters to date. The next three chapters will detail the relationship between Finrod and Vorondil in Lórien.
Edlyn
· 20 April 2007
· Chapter 27: Judgment Recalled
I'm surprised that I forgot to mention anything about the bet between Namo and Imro because, I did notice it and it made me smile. I do enjoy that aspect of their personalities very much. I liked that you included it.
Edlyn
Edlyn
· 19 April 2007
· Chapter 27: Judgment Recalled
Good afternoon, meldonya. I'm taking a break from a frustrating day at work and salving my patience and temper with an escape to Arda.
What a powerful chapter!
The reluctance of others to actually voice their curiosity about Finrod's death and what followed enabled him to avoid remembering and examining his own judgment. So it didn't surprise me that Laurendil's question triggered this. I think it likely that the relationship between the two must be something pretty special if Laurendil felt that he could risk asking the question.
The tapestries in Mandos remind me of several myths concerning spinning and weaving. OF course, there are the fates that begin, spin and then cut of the thread of one's life from ancient Greece and other cultures, and I have memories of reading a celtic myth of a Weaver whose work depicts all the events of one's life from birth to death... I'll have to look through my books and find it again.
I was impressed by Finrod's taking Námo's hand so readily. Though whether it is bravery, pride or even fool-hardiness it's hard to say.
At first I was wondering why this was the first test and what exactly was being tested. Eventually, I decided it was a test of obedience and also a test of acceptance. There are those who will be hesitant to obey out of fear but certainly Lord Námo knows when that is the case and will adjust his mien and manner accordingly. But then there are others who refuse to obey out of pride and arrogance. Having recently re-read "The Silmarillion" I can easily see that there was a real chance that Findaráto would refuse to obey.
For some reason the idea of someone obstinately refusing to take Lord Námo's hand when directed to do so makes me shudder, and brings to mind a parent or teacher saying, "You will not enjoy it if I have to come over there and get you." Those who refuse entirely to take his hand are refusing judgment and subsequent rebirth, aren't they? I am certain that it saddens all the Valar but Námo in particular when such happens. I'm certain that he doesn't ever like to have to take a fëa into the Halls of Solitude.
I can easily accept that finding oneself in the Ring of Doom would focus one's attention quite readily and be downright terrifying. I suspect it was a lot like when I worked at the bank and was held up at gunpoint (but an exponentially more intense experience). I knew there was always a chance that someone would come in and rob us, but the reality is always and ever far more than any intellectual consideration or even imagining could prepare you for.
Oh, dear. Can you call it having a mouth with a death-wish when one is already dead? My mouth was literally hanging open when Finrod mouthed off to Varda. Ah, Arafinwion, you do too have something still to lose....
It hurt to see how desperately Finrod clutched to his pride, as if it were the only thing he had left, as if his entire being was dependent on it. It hurt to see how fractured he was inside as his answers to Varda, Manwë, and Námo demonstrated.
I picked up that keeping his personal honour is paramount to Finrod. When he makes an oath he literally cannot break it without breaking himself. Yes, he actually had a choice whether to break his oath to Barahir or not, but who and what he is makes the breaking of his oath damn-near impossible. People need things they can count on in an uncertain world and in the world of encroaching darkness, evil and war the culture of keeping oaths and honor provides a psychological and even spiritual security. I don't think that Finrod is even capable of imagining breaking his oath.
If it wasn't about the silmarils, then what was it about, Finrod? I suspect it had to do with the love he bore Barahir and Beren but does he actually know the reason, himself? Or is it a case of being unwilling to admit his reason?
"I don't know." Yes, it was an honest answer and one that I think most people would give if they were truly honest. There have certainly been times when I've resented that God didn't permit something to happen that I desperately wanted to have happen.
No wonder Finrod avoided remembering his Judgment. Truth is painful and I certainly know that I have done much in my life I am not proud of, that I have purposefully made up justifications for, that I've avoided thinking about, things that I don't want to look at in the brilliant light of day and I don't think there's a person in the world who can't say (if they are being honest) that they have done the same thing. Honest self-examination is horrifically difficult and I think it is only my belief in a God who loves unconditionally that allows me to even think about doing such an examination of conscience.
This is obviously a hugely traumatic time for Finrod, both the Judgment itself and his remembering it. I know he has to remember and come to terms with it in order to continue to mature but oh, this is SO hard!
With the desperate way he searched for his stuffed toy, clutching it like a drowning man clutches a branch or other object, and the way he struggles with Námo all I could think was what he was really shouting wasn't only "Why do I have to remember this now?" but also "Why do I have to grow up now?, Why do I have to be responsible now? I don't want to..."
I finished this chapter emotionally drained and but also able to put my own troubles of the day into prespective. I hope that Finrod will be able to accept these memories and put them in prespective (with Lord Námo's assistance of course!).
May you lived blessed!
Edlyn
Author's reply
The first test was indeed one of obedience, but also one of acceptance of what was to come, given that Finrod is one of the leaders of the Rebellion, though he did not take Fëanor's Oath which pretty much damned him and his sons (although there is always the chance of redemption for them all). The bit about Námo winning a bet with Irmo over whether Finrod would hesitate to take Námo's hand was a bit of a throw-away, and is the only piece of levity in the chapter. I don't know if you picked up on it or simply ignored it or what, but for me it points out the way the Valar themselves see the process of Judgment. I imagine that when Finrod took Námo's hand the Lord of Mandos was mentally sticking his tongue out at his brother and saying "pay up, bro" even while maintaining a serious mien with Finrod.
Finrod's own reaction to the Valar's questioning was probably refreshing for them. They must get rather tired of cringing Eldar and actually enjoy verbally sparring with someone like Finrod. After all this is the ellon who took on Sauron with Songs of Power. He's definitely not your average elf, but a powerful elf-lord in his own right. In spite of the circumstances, I think the Valar are almost treating him as an equal.
Finrod, of course, does invest much of his self-worth and self-image in such concepts as "personal honor" and "keeping one's oath" even when these lead to one's death. He had many opportunities to avoid his fate, which he dimly perceived (see the Silmarillion where he explains to Galadriel why he will not marry), but chooses not to because it would mean doing violence to his self-image.
His resistance in the end reminds me of a child who refuses to take his medicine because it tastes bad even though ultimately the medicine will prove beneficial to the child's health. Remembering his Judgment in all its details (not just remembering that he went through Judgment, which is what he remembered before this) is indeed painful, almost like reliving it all over again, but ultimately it will prove beneficial for Finrod's spiritual and emotional health as he reaches towards full maturity.
The next chapter continues the saga of his remembering, what the ultimate judgment was, and how he deals with it.