Sarasrati
· 20 June 2010
· Chapter 61: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - 11th of March
I'M SO HAPPY, THIS STORY STILL LIVES!!!!! Thank you for posting another chapter!
Denethor seems unexpectedly less crazy in this chapter--I particularly enjoyed his quip back to the lord who wanted him to do something about the earthquakes (...seriously? What on earth could possibly be done?). The scenes with Imrahil are also very well done, particularly their conversation about the exchange with Faramir. I feel that when I've read this scene rewritten in fanfiction, it's usually rather hard to swallow, often rather angsty on whichever side is being explored. Clearly, both are upset and hurt by the exchange, but there are character-appropriate ways to write the scene and there are others that are not. You've hit on a telling that is very believable, both in your own canon and in Tolkien's.
As always, an excellent read. I've been reading this story for more than four years now, which is nowhere near as long as you've been writing it, of course, but no matter how many more it takes you will have a faithful reader!
Author's reply
Ah Sarasrati - I was so hoping you would see that I've posted another chapter. The tale is complete now. Phew! I should be posting on a regular basis (every couple days) until it is all here at SoA. We still have 12th, 13th, 14th, and 15th of March - along with a very short (for me) epilogue.
Bless you for continuing to read after all these years. I began writing this in December of 2003.... a long, long time. The support of folks like you with your kind comments, have helped me keep going (those these last months were difficult - knowing the end.)
Imrahil is there - in the Hall and the chamber - during the last days - and yet, we see naught of him. I knew he would be there AND would be supporting Denethor while defending his nephew.... Glad the scene worked for you!
Blessings,
Agape
Raksha The Demon
· 26 October 2009
· Chapter 60: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - 10 March
What a shame that Denethor would die not knowing that Faramir's actions in Ithilien, i.e. not taking the Ring and allowing the halflings to continue their journey, would result in the defeat of Sauron. I guess it is a short jump, given Denethor's state of mind even now, from burning his and Faramir's bodies, to burning them both alive.
Sad and evocative chapter.
Author's reply
Bless you!
For all Denethor's foresight - it availed him naught.
Fantasia
· 13 October 2009
· Chapter 60: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - 10 March
I can feel Denethor's despair, you make it so easy to see the situation from his point of view, it is so easy to judge him and forget what a great man he was and how much he sacrified for Gondor, all the wight of his responsibility with so little reward, he didn't even saw the final victory. Great chapter.
Author's reply
Mithrandir himself speaks of Denethor, in the book, as being very wise. I have only tried to show what might have caused the downfall of this magnificent Numenorean, for Tolkien leaves almost everything but the last few days of his life up for conjecture. By the time we meet him, he is close to lost.
I thank you, sincerely and deeply, for your kind words.
Tari
· 13 October 2009
· Chapter 60: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - 10 March
The end is near and despair is rampant. My heart aches for Denethor. The palantir has warped his mind so much that he cannot see hope, no mater how little it might be.
He has placed Haldan in a very difficult position. How can he expect anyone to set fire to him and Faramir? That is way too much to ask.
I think you are going to feel a real sense of loss when the last chapter is finally written
Author's reply
I am sorry that you are confused... I must not have written clearly enough. Haldan has been asked to find Denethor and Faramir's bodies and cremate them - after they have been killed by the Enemy - before their bodies are defiled.
As for a sense of loss - I think I will find some bar and drink myself senseless.....
Tari
· 15 September 2009
· Chapter 59: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - 9 March
This version of Denethor’s meeting with Pippin is much more to my liking than P. J.’s. You show a side of Denethor that I’m sure was there, while P. J. made him seem cold and unfeeling to all except Boromir. We know this is not true.
I found his conversation with Mithrandir to be interesting based on his total dislike of the Wizard. He does not want despair to fill his city, yet his own heart is full of it. How tragic.
You have written another wonderful chapter which is unfortunately bringing us closer to the end.
Author's reply
Yup!! Definitely closer to the end.... I dread it and long for it. Been a long time writing! Very grateful for your support and reviews!
Faramir says to Frodo in Ithilien that there is naught to hope for... Sadly, the battle has been long and the end seems already written.
Shemyaza
· 15 September 2009
· Chapter 59: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - 9 March
I think to be honest, that your story should be required reading for all fanfic writers who either try to tackle the subject of Denethor and his sons and Gondor's fight to remain out of the shadow or those who fling a mention of foul old Denethor into their stories as the token nasty cruel Faramir hating old cad.
Denethor was a complicated man, possibly one of the most complicated characters Tolkien created and the movies did him no favours whatsoever. We don't get the impression of a man torn in many different ways and forever over-shadowed by the horros he was shown in the palantir. Jackson didn't even mention the palantir with regard to Denethor. Instead he played Denethor not as a strong man at his wit's end and terrified for his children, his people, his city and his realm. Instead Jackson did him the disservice of portraying him as some monster who doted on his elder son and mistreated his youngest child. Y
Yes he set high standards for his sons and was disappointed because Faramir was not a carbon copy of his brother. He wa shortsighted in that event, because if he had realised his youngest son's good characteristics, the outcome might have been different. I often wonder what would have happened had Faramir gone to Imladris instead of Boromir and I know it's been the subject of a couple of fanfiction. I haven't found one yet that actually hit me in the right place though.
Anyway, your story and the history is tremendous. through it, Denethor becomes a real person.
Author's reply
I do not think I have ever received such a review as this. My deepest thanks! I sent it off to my betas... thanking them for their help in making this 'work' and bringing Denethor the honor he really deserves.
Bless you Ten Thousand Times!!!
Tari
· 24 August 2009
· Chapter 58: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part Three
“The Lay of Finduilas”, what a precious gift Faramir gave to his father.
The end is getting ever closer. I feel great sorrow for Denethor. He truly tried to do his best for his people. Unfortunately, he turned too often to the palantir, which led to his downfall.
Tolkien left a lot of gaps in his stories with no answers anywhere which is why authors like you are having so much fun expanding on them and people like me are having so much fun reading what you have written.
Tari
· 24 July 2009
· Chapter 54: Ch. 25 - Third Age 3018 - Part Four
Denethor whishes he shared in the dream! I think he has enough on his plate without sharing Faramir and Boromir’s dream.
Denethor thinks the palantir is doing his bidding. How sad. If that were true, he would be able to see anything he wished to see, including where his sons were.
They think they are protecting Boromir when truth be told; they have sent him to his doom.
I see I have a lot of catching up to do. I think this is where I left off. If not, I’ll just be rereading, but that is fine with me. I love this story.
Author's reply
Thanks for continuing on. I do so hope you had a wonderful trip to NZ. So I will not chide you for not keeping up *g*
Sarasrati
· 6 July 2009
· Chapter 57: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part Two
I think the scene between Faramir and Denethor after the finding of the horn was quite touching... well, for a few paragraphs, and then it was a very believable segue into Denethor's madness. It's getting so close to the end now, it's hard to read. I can't imagine how hard it must be to write, especially considering how long you have been working on this story.
And always, thank you too for the interesting tidbits in the footnotes--I did not know that about the history of whiskey!
Raksha The Demon
· 5 July 2009
· Chapter 57: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part Two
Gondor and Rohan have lost their heirs; and Denethor is reaching the wrong conclusions from the Palantir. Denethor is also pushing Faramir away when their shared grief should be uniting them. Somewhere, I'm sure that Sauron is smiling.
Good, if painful, chapter.
Author's reply
Yes, Raksha, Sauron is smiling... Drat!
I cannot fault Denethor - though declared wise by Mithrandir himself - he is deceived as surely as Theoden was (and many others - including Isildur.) I'm afraid we all are like him at different times in our lives, causing grief to those we love and who love us.....
I weep.
njomo
· 1 June 2009
· Chapter 56: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part One
Hi Agape.
I don't know how I missed finding this wonderful story until now-my fault I'm sure as I'm usually looking for tales involving Elves. Anyway, I find myself captivated by your rendering of the life of Denethor and his sons.
I first read the LOTR when I was 10 or 11 and I remember thinking even at that tender age (a few years have gone by since then, but who's counting!) that the Palantir must have a huge effect on Denethor-on his actions and on his relationship with his sons.
In fact, the way that Tolkien tells the tale, we see a Palantir and what Pippin saw in it and we know who Aragorn struggled with when he looked in it before we are introduced to Denethor and Minas Tirith. In light of that, we know what (or should I say who) is influencing Denethor and this makes his actions right before the end of his life even more tragic. And while PJ's movie makes good dramatic effect, I am much happier reading a story such as yours that tries to stick to canon while at the same time exploring in depth the lives of these three men. Thank you for it.
I'll keep an eye open for the remainder of the tale.
Joanne
Author's reply
Thank you very much for your kind words. I have never understood some people's deep hatred for this tragic hero... I'm very glad my 'exposition' of his life before PJ meets your approval. *g*
As for the Palantir, I don't think we can quite blame all of Denethor's problems at the end of his life on the Palantir - but it definitely was a deciding factor in causing his madness....
Blessings,
Agape
Author Reply: Just a quick FYI - there was a difficult time in the writing of these last days of Denethor.... BUT - it is now finished. A short epilogue will be posted in a day or two.
Just an FYI - in case you might like to pick up where you left off. Bless you!
Aiwen
· 15 May 2009
· Chapter 56: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part One
It's getting very close to the end now. I really like the story; I think you capture the dynamics within the house of Hurin well, and it is very nice to see Denethor portrayed as you do.
Author's reply
Bless you, Aiwen... I believe fandom has been 'tricked' by evil into believing that Denethor was bad.... but I won't go into that here.
Linaewen
· 14 May 2009
· Chapter 56: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part One
While this one was very hard to read, knowing what we know about Boromir, it was also amazing for all the details and background you have added to Denethor's preparations for the coming battle. Even as he is on the verge of desperate despair, he is still thinking clearly about what to do to keep his people safe, and he is thinking quickly when presented with each new hitch or problem. He can make decisions without wavering, and somehow, he is able to command people to do what needs doing based on his visions in the palantir, without having to deal with too much explanation. I can truly see he is the kind of man that his people follow without doubt or without questioning, and that's important at this time. Even so, a bit of questioning might have been good for the man, he holds too much in his heart and doesn't share it, and that's what leads to despair that can't be contained!
I'll be watching for more with an eager yet heavy heart.
Author's reply
You are so right about a bit of questioning - might have saved his life. The obedience that he received from his men/servants told of his command of them, but command bought at a price that proved tragic, in the end.
Bless you for the support. Most appreciated!
Raksha The Demon
· 14 May 2009
· Chapter 56: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part One
“Valar!” he wailed aloud. “Let him live. Please let him live. He is my all. All I have left. Please. Oh please, let him live.”
Heart-rending, and very Denethor. It doesn't seem to enter his mind that Boromir isn't all he has left; that he has another son; Denethor can only think of Boromir. Faramir is very much the after-thought here, so when Denethor realizes Boromir is truly dead, he will be inconsolable.
I don't know whether the Fords of Isen were closer to Minas Tirith, in terms of mileage, than Parth Galen, but the Anor-stone does have a limited range; I think it's 600 miles. Or maybe, because Denethor is so heart-stricken, his emotions are interfering with his ability to work the stone to find Boromir. Just as well, really. Watching Boromir get perforated and die would probably give Denethor a stroke; not to mention seeing Thorongil turn up as Boromir's dying but not before.
Author's reply
Oh, Raksha, I don't think Denethor could have survived watching Boromir die.
As for Faramir, Denethor just does not 'see' that Faramir might be an able Captain-General. BECAUSE all his hopes have been on Boromir. Denethor, in my mind's eye, sees his own failings and sees them mirrored in Faramir - whereas, Boromir is like the last king of Gondor or, as Eomer says, like a Rohirric warrior. Besides Faramir thinks for himself - that's something that really pushes Denethor's buttons for he feels that, by doing that, Faramir is being disloyal... and disobedient - (which he definitely was in Ithilien when he let Frodo go) - that is a very difficult thing for a father, never mind a ruler!
As for the Palantir - even with all the research, there is no one answer as to what one can and cannot do with it. One has to scratch around, like a hen after seed. In my own thoughts, mostly based upon the fact that nowhere does Tolkien state that Denethor 'sees' Boromir at all on the quest - I find that incredibly strange. This son who is loved beyond reason is not 'watched' as he progressed on the road to Imladris and on the way back to Gondor. It makes no sense to me - so I've accepted the fact (smiles) that Denethor cannot (whether it is the stone or his own mental state) Denethor cannot 'see' his sons in the globe. Just MHO.
Sarasrati
· 13 May 2009
· Chapter 56: Ch. 26 - Third Age 3019 - Part One
I almost didn't want to keep reading this to the end. I knew where you were going to end it when the chapter started--such a picture of despair and sadness and a smidgen of hope, but maybe not enough. It seems wrong to say it is well-written because of all the grief. Not even said outright, this despair, just felt. But I imagine that is what it might have felt like to be there in those months, and that came across masterfully.
Author's reply
Thank you very much, faithful friend....
I almost didn't want to write this ... If you've noticed, it's been awhile. I've been writing other stuff - just so I had an excuse not to write this. There are only about twenty days left in Denethor's life. Thankfully, I have a lot of 'that' day written - and also the epilogue is safe in my mind....
Again, my deepest thanks for your kind words - but more importantly - for your continued support. This has been a long road....
Tari
· 3 December 2008
· Chapter 54: Ch. 25 - Third Age 3018 - Part Four
Having to decide which son to send into danger is beyond imagining. Who else could he send; certainly not himself. This is one decision I would not want to make. Then there is the Palantir. He thinks it his friend and obeys him. Not.
Poor Denethor. He thinks he is saving Boromir when in fact, he is sending him to his doom.
I liked the brothers taking time to lie in the grass, look at the sky and dream a little before erupting into a mild tussle. Too bad there is no time for more episodes like this.
Author's reply
I too wish there were more time for the brothers Mir to enjoy each other's company. This was a rare day indeed - but who could not give them that moment, considering what was next?
As for Denethor - yup - definitely between a rock and a hard place.
Thanks for the review!
Tari
· 1 December 2008
· Chapter 53: Ch. 25 - Third Age 3018 - Part Three
I think it is a blessing that the palantir does not show Denethor his sons. He would probably have lost his grip if he saw Faramir and thought him to be dead.
Boromir is not only stubborn; he is also prideful. Had he been carrying Faramir, they both would have fallen and probably sustained injuries. Then there was the withdrawal of the enemy. Not knowing why would scare anyone.
Faramir has a good dose of pride himself. I’m sure his men would not see him as being weak; rather as someone who is willing to go into dangerous territory with them regardless of the results.
Boy, am I glad I don’t remember many of my dreams. Thankfully, none are nightmares.
Author's reply
I think you are right, Tari. I haven't found any other reason for Denethor not 'seeing' Boromir under attack at Amon Hen.... Of all people, he would have followed the progress of his son with passion....
I must not have written it well - if you thought Faramir was proud at not wanting the men to see him weak... it was because his men had endured so much horror during the battle... and so weakened themselves in confidence... that he didn't want anything else to 'injure' them - like seeing their beloved captain perhaps injured or ill.... nothing to do with pride.
Thanks for reading and reviewing - most appreciated.
Sarasrati
· 1 December 2008
· Chapter 55: Copious Notes for TA 3018 - Parts 3 & 4
As always, wonderful updates and well worth the wait! Denethor's vision of Boromir on the Anduin is a very good touch. I can see the seeds of his final madness beginning in a way much more convincing than anything else I have read; it is not simply that his son is dead, but that he may have brought it about in trying to save him. It gives me chills.
I absolutely love the banter between Boromir and Faramir in their little copse, too. "I would laugh as I saw you lost in Rohan..." Priceless.
Author's reply
Their really had to be an extraordinary reason first, for Denethor to send his son, and second, to send his Captain-General. And alone??? I still can't figure that one out - so I thought the stealth reason might work.
As for the banter, I do so love writing the brothers Mir - wish there could have been happier times!
Bless you for your loyalty and your reviews!
Rugi
· 12 October 2008
· Chapter 51: Ch. 25 - Third Age 3018 - Part Two
I'm so sorry to to have dropped off the earth - I've been blindsided by RL lately and my reviewing as suffered. This chapter ended so excitingly. The bridge moment is so iconic but you still added your own touch. Love what you're doing!
Author's reply
I know all too well about the RW, Rugi, and therefore, appreciate your kind review tenfold!
I am so pleased you felt the bridge 'followed' Tolkien, but more so that you felt the added 'stuff' did not detract!
Difficult thing to write when we have so little information.
Author Reply: Just a wee FYI - in case the RW has been decimating you.
This tale is complete now - except for a wee epilogue which will be posted within a day or two.
Blessings!
Aiwen
· 13 September 2008
· Chapter 50: Ch. 25 - Third Age 3018 - Part One
I just wanted to say how much I'm enjoying this story. It is very well written and vividly imagined. I like your characterization, especially of Denethor.
Author's reply
Thank you ever so much for your kind words. I've been writing this since January of 2001 and never ever thought it would be this long... However, the character of Denethor is a complicated beast and, to do it right, has proven mind-boggling, to say the least. I am shooting to finish it this year! *crosses fingers*
I had always respected Denethor, but have fallen madly in love with him, as well as his sons and Imrahil....
Very glad you are enjoying this and very grateful for the comments!
Sarasrati
· 8 September 2008
· Chapter 52: Copious Notes for Ch. 25 - Parts 1 & 2
I am always astounded and awed at the amount of research you put into these chapters (and yes, I read the whole of your notes, however copious they may be!) I think I may have to try making that Chocolate Pecan Pie sometime. I do hope you will post the next chapter soon since you left us rather afloat (hah, hah)...!
Author's reply
If the pie turns out good, let me know! :)
As for rsearch, I just have this horrid bug about it. I can't write if I don't know what I'm writing about.... the bridge is especially important to me... and so I had to find out about it and figure out how to defend... and destroy it.
Thanks ever so much for continuing to read and respond!
Sarasrati
· 28 June 2008
· Chapter 50: Ch. 25 - Third Age 3018 - Part One
As always there is so much to think about in this chapter! The depth of the characters and the story itself simply grows and grows, and your power to make us sympathize with the emotions and thoughts of each one develops more with every installment. And the details are wonderfully well done--not many people would consider the age of the scrolls and how they were preserved for so long.
I particularly like the scene of Denethor drawing. It is very human of him--something so simple can bring pleasure even in this crazy time for Gondor.
Author's reply
My dear friend, glad you saw this chapter was up - they are long - but there's not much I can do about that. I'm so grateful for your support!
As a young captain of Gondor, Denethor always kept his journal at hand... not only did he write reports, but he also drew maps, pictures of things he saw that might be needed to explain his reports, and all kinds of things. I would DEARLY love to find those journals!!! However, I do believe drawing gave him a touch of peace... a moment away from the cares of Gondor... a moment to be himself. *sobs*
Thank you ever so much for your extremely kind words! My blessings to you!
Author Reply: Psssst- Just an FYI - another chapter has been posted!
Soledad
· 17 May 2008
· Chapter 999999: Regarding Denethor and Faramir
Thanks for posting those lines - I didn't know them, and they do shed a whole new light on their relationship, don't they?
This story is the next on my to read-list, but I wait for the end of the term to have the peace of mind to focus on it. A Denethor story is something I've been looking for a very long time.
Author's reply
I'm sorry it took so long to respond, Soledad.
I'm very glad, as a Denethor lover, to have shed new light for you. It is important to me - for I do so love the Men of Gondor.
It's a long read - I do so hope your term end went well and, when you get the chance, you enjoy the tale of our Steward. I am so hoping to finish this sometime this year. Or perhaps very early of 2009. Been writing it a very long time......
Blessings
Rugi
· 29 March 2008
· Chapter 49: Ch. 24 - Third Age 3017 - Part Twelve
Fantastic chapter! It was fully of Hurin conversations and togetherness which I always love. In some ways, for all I felt sorry for Faramir that he was sick, I almost thought it was a good thing as well since it allowed him to engage with Denethor in a non-confrontational, simple way - they got to simply be father and son together instead of lord and vassal.
It's so interesting how you show that the damaged relationships Denethor has in his past effect his relationships now - it's interesting and tragic to think that the harm that was done him can sour the thought of Boromir and Faramir working together to achieve his aims.
I felt for Boromir in the last scenes, though I think, in the end, Denethor is right - it is their duty to serve Gondor and Faramir has an Ithilian mind - his patience and wisdom would work well in a guerilla-war setting. I'm glad that the brothers have made some peace with their futures, even though they can sense the darkness growing in their father and in the future.
Can't wait for more!
Author's reply
Bless you!
The muse definitely is headed in a certain direction with Boromir and Faramir. I'm glad you noted the 'togetherness' of this chapter. Denethor loves Faramir; we know that from Gandalf's statement at the end... but is definitely affected by his past. To have three people he loves and trusts most 'appear' to collude against him... though they had his goals in mind, all he can 'see' is the shadow of those past meetings between his father, Thorongil, and Gandalf. How else is he supposed to react?
Boromir knows his duty - he just wants to spare his brother - at least until the last moment. I love being able to write of these two. At last! However, I am hoping that their presence during these last years shows Denethor's 'isolation' once both sons are gone from his side. An aspect I am not looking forward to writing.
Most readers think that Faramir had the short end of the stick, so to speak. But I fully believe that Boromir's treatment by Denethor was just as rough. To have to be the 'savior' of his world... to know that his father expected him to 'breathe' Gondor... a difficult life since early childhood. As was Denethor's. Oh well... *heavy sigh*
A gazillion thanks for your constant reviews and support!
Sarasrati
· 24 March 2008
· Chapter 49: Ch. 24 - Third Age 3017 - Part Twelve
Wait a second, we're in 3017, not 3018... now I'm confused. Typo? Or does that mean good things for the upcoming chapters in 3018? ;)
Author's reply
YIKES! Must go and correct that - I am quite anxious to get to 3019 and forget a whole year! Thanks for noticing! Bless you!