Radbooks
· 22 November 2005
· Chapter 33: 33: Embassies from Rhovanion
Oh so helpless Merry and Pippin must feel at this time. At least Sam is able to stay in the room and 'do' somethng for his master or at least be near him, but it must be frustrating for the other two to not only not be able to do anything, but then to be sent from Frodo's side. Even if you know he's not himself and you can't really help anyway, it's still hard.
Of course the physical and emotional pain Frodo has is already enormous and then having to deal with Angrapain and punch hom on top of that did not help him in any way. And now the start of him throwing up... at least I think it's the start of that whole vicious cycle.
I was touched how Aragorn went and checked on Lasgon and praised him for his actions that night. No wonder he became such a faithful servant - not that he wouldn't have been anyway, but who wouldn't want to serve a king like that? :)
Author's reply
Yes, Frodo doesn't like being fussed over, particularly when he fears it is only upsetting them to see how he is. But it's hard for him to admit to himself that they are more worried not seeing what's happening than if they were present--although too many bodies in the room can make things harder for the ill person, which is why they often limit the number of visitors in hospital rooms at a time. And, yes, the vicious cycle is there and keeps starting over again.
And I think Aragorn would be concerned about all, and would seek to reassure himself everyone there was resting properly; and would praise those who without protest and with honor do what is expected of them. But of course he's building loyalty! As with Frodo, he draws loyalty to him like a lodestone draws fragments of iron. He and Frodo are two of a kind.
Linda Hoyland
· 22 November 2005
· Chapter 33: 33: Embassies from Rhovanion
Poor Frodo,he is having a bad time.I'd have loved to have known what he said to Aragorn.It seems we both like giving the poor King disturbed nights !I'm not surprised Frodo is suffering after landing that well deserved punch, how I wish Faramir had done the same to Mahrod.He deserves a flogging for trying to attack Frodo.I wish Icould see all the court assembling,they sound wonderful.
I see that we can now reply at the other site too.
Author's reply
We can? Wonderful--I'll have to try it out, although yesterday's chapter still hasn't been announced to my email account. FFN has its difficulties.
As for what happens to Angrapain--that comes in tomorrow's chapter. And I, too, wish Faramir or Aragorn either one had managed to sock Mahrod a good one--if anyone deserves it, he does!
Queen Galadriel
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 33: 33: Embassies from Rhovanion
*sigh* Poor Frodo! I know the dear, stubborn hobbit wouldn't like to hear me say that, and anyone in his/her right mind wouldn't say so in his presence, but I can't help it. Just when things were beginning to look a little bit better, for his health anyway. I've often wished I could jump right into the story and somehow make him well and whole; but then the story wouldn't be half so powerful. I like the gentle care Frodo receives here (you know I'm a full-fledged, unashamed Frodo-healer :-)), and that innocent little fib is so in character. But Master Angry-pain (I'm sorry, but can't resist) is lucky I'm preoccupied with Frodo right now! If he brought this on by forcing Frodo to have to use his fists on him...well, he's lucky. :-) God bless,
Galadriel
Author's reply
Yes, Frodo is a most stubborn of stubborn Bagginses, and hates being less than his best. He'll do his best to hide when he's ill, even when it is against his best interests.
As for Angrapain--tomorrow will see to him, you will find. He's helped bring on this bout, but isn't responsible in the end for Frodo's days of bad bouts. That's just part of his condition.
French Pony
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 33: 33: Embassies from Rhovanion
The Two Faces of Aragorn: Healer and King. He's pulling off the balancing act nicely. He can go from being woken up in the middle of the night to be nice and kind and healing Strider, and then turn right around and be the lordly and dignified King Elessar. Aragorn's good at this game.
Frodo, however, is in really bad shape. I hope he improves a little bit. It must be awful just to be feeling sick and never really getting much better or worse.
Author's reply
Aragorn has had almost ninety years to think how he'll have to comport himself as King, and has had that long to see how Elrond and perhaps Galadriel and Celeborn handle it as well. Plus he had the examples of Thengel, Ecthelion, and perhaps in minor matters Denethor to see how those born and raised to the job of ruling handle switching roles. Am so glad you approve.
Frodo will get some better, but never fully recovers, as we already know.
Dreamflower
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 33: 33: Embassies from Rhovanion
Poor Frodo! That slimy wretch Angrapain has a lot to answer for, giving Frodo a setback like that. I hope that Aragorn throws the book at him, but good!!
How hard it must have been for Merry and Pippin to see Frodo like that, and then for him to order them out. He's apologized to Sam; I hope he takes thought for his cousins as well.
I loved the pomp again, with all the introductions of the foreign royalty! You do court so well! Are you sure you're not in the SCA? You'd make a great herald!
Let's hope Frodo gets to feeling a little better soon...
Author's reply
No, never got into the Society of Creative Anachronisms, although a friend dallied with it, although she was more into folk dancing. Did some spectacular exhibitions of court dancing and country dancing both.
I have read my share of medieval literature, of course. A herald? Can I be one from Valdemar? Where's my Companion?! Heh!
As I've said before, for Frodo recovery will be a staggering path, and he's just truly appreciating just how true this is. I haven't had him apologize yet to Merry and Pippin, but they do understand, I think.
Lotrgirl1415
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 33: 33: Embassies from Rhovanion
gosh i need to catch up on this story! *saves it to word document* I'm only on the earlier chapters....
i bet is awesome!*hugs4u*
sorry i've been ubberly busy with rehearsals for competition!
love ya lots!
--Katie
Author's reply
I only suspected you've been busy getting caught up in school and cleaning up after the hurricanes. What kind of competition do you do? I was in a speech competition and was runner up; and in 4-H through high school, so know how things go.
( The five of them looked from one to the other with uncertainty and discomfort. The idea of having sufficient power within oneself to withstand the desire to use the power inherent in Sauron’s Ring was a new one, and all were uncertain they’d wish to meet with the Ringbearer alone.)
They may not know everything yet, but they certainly have this much figured out. I wonder what their next move will be but I do have to work tomorrow and so I will have to stop here for tonight as much as I hate to do so. I will be back to read more.
Author's reply
They are starting to figure it out, but are misinterpreting some of the information given them. What they will learn in the end will surprise them, I think.
Hurry back!
Grey Wonderer
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 23: 23: Circle of Light
Poor Frodo. None of the answers or explanations to his questions hold much hope for anything in his future. He must have felt as if he were still being weighed down by the ring even though it was gone. I was surprised that Sam was not in the same room with Frodo as he seems to need to watch Frodo at all times in order to feel at ease himself. This is such a wonderful story. I am having a grand time catching up to everyone else.
Author's reply
We know that PTSD weighed increasingly on Frodo as time went on; I think that the first signs that all was not well physically as well as emotionally would start being made manifest early.
Sam has his own healing to do, and is trying to see to that through physical labor in gardens or however else he can serve. Unfortunately, he can't be there with Frodo twenty-four/seven no matter what he might wish.
So glad you're enjoying catching up.
Grey Wonderer
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 22: 22: Guests at the Feast
Now even more folks have turned up with questions about the hobbits. It must be a bit like being on display at all times for them. Everyone would naturally be curious and have so many questions, but the staring had to be dreadful for them at times. I think it would have been like famous people out and about in public today. Everyone would want to know them or to see them.
Author's reply
I think it would be exactly like that, GW; plus these folk of Umbar, once they realize the Hobbits are close to the King's heart, are going to want to see if they can exploit that situation to the benefit of themselves, of course.
Radbooks
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
I loved seeing a peek inside the prison and meeting the warden. I suppose it was partially because of your other stories it made it extra interesting to me. I hadn't thought about the fact that many of the men in the south would still be alive because they have Dunedain blood and so would, of course, remember Aragorn from when he was there before. Sometimes I just forget about the really obvious things... it just had never struck me before for some reason, I just sort of thought that the ones that were alive and remembered him had been really young at the time and now were very old. But these men are still actively serving Gondor because they are Dunedain and live longer than most men - so I'm glad that you had Aragorn mention it! :)
It was sad to see that Denethor had been so influenced by the Palantir that it had even affected the way he treated his prisoners and justice, though I suppose it shouldn't surprise me. It would have affected everything in his life. But Madog will be pleased that Aragorn is nothing like Denethor and that true justice will prevail - even if his methods seem different at times. Like speaking other languages in front of prisoners or Aragorn being Stider, etc. :)
Nicely done!
Author's reply
I doubt the Southern Dunedain would have approached 170, but suspect they'd easily pass 100, and so would serve longer than average Men, so I tried to incorporate that into the story. Yes, we do tend at times to forget some obvious facts, and am glad my awareness of some have pleased others as those I've seen in some stories have pleased me.
The deterioration of Denethor's integrity had probably been going on for a time as he became more fearful for the safety of his land, although he hadn't yet lost it completely. But I believe that for service in the prisons those who held the greater integrity of the followers of Elendil would have been preferred traditionally as officers, and here would have come to the fore.
And Aragorn would use any honorable tool at hand, I think, to keep those who were potentially enemies from learning much of the details of the realm as well as to keep them off balance so that they will be more likely to answer when he at last questions them.
Radbooks
· 21 November 2005
· Chapter 31: 31: Aftermath
Ah, Frodo feels guilty even for protecting himself! Or, I suppose for breaking his promise to his cousin, perhaps both. But he shouldn't be sorry for punching that horrible man... but I suppose even in the best of circumstances he might be apologizing, people say the strangest things in stressful situations. But then he was even trying to let the man off the hook by blaming it on the fact that he was drunk. Poor Frodo.
And Aragorn keeping his fury under control and tending to Angrapain. I don't know how is able to do thinks like that. I know it's his healer side taking over and his long life experience and his sense of justice, etc, but when it's a precious friend of yours that's been hurt, it must be so hard for him to do.
Loved how Gimli wanted to immediately just go and take him out - so in character for him. :)
Author's reply
Yes, the pacifist Frodo has had to actually use TWO blows; Aragorn's contradictory instincts as protector and healer are at war, but the healer wins (although I think he's just as glad to let his brother take over here), and Gimli is straight Gimli, wanting to avenge the insult given. So glad you approve! Thanks for the response!
Bodkin
· 20 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
Denethor's last years - not good. I know he was under a lot of pressure, but it does sound as if he had lost the principles of his youth. Still, Madog can rest assured - Aragorn is both fair and honest. And, where possible, merciful. Not that Agrapain is terribly worthy of mercy - but then his compatriots are likely to see to that.
And another person recognises Thorongil. Before long, a surprisingly large number of people will have caught on.
Author's reply
I suspect Denethor's integrity had been eroded away in the last few years before outright war, and tried to use this as a proper comparison to the new regime. It will be a time before Umbar will have a crack at Angrapain, I think you will soon note. Aragorn will see justice served in his own fashion, which will serve to make Angrapain a proper example for what he has done and attempted.
I think that there would be gradual recognition of Aragorn by many over the first few years of his office, and it's fun to examine how this would happen. And I myself love the idea of Aragorn swearing each to secrecy. It would add to the fun, I think. And, after all, I have Ruvemir figuring it out almost five years later in The King's Commission and then keeping his own score.
Thanks so much for the feedback.
grumpy
· 20 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
What a great look at what the prison is like, I like Madog the warden of the place. Wonder where he first met Captain Thorongil.
Angrapain seems to have gotten himself into a lot of trouble, both with the king, and with his own people. I love it when Aragorn can tell when someone is not telling him the truth.
Author's reply
I suspect that on occasion the Lord Captain Thorongil was called upon to escort prisoners to the prison of the Citadel, and that the two of them met then, or perhaps at a party somewhere in the city. And glad you like the glimpse we get of the place and its ways.
As for Angrapain--he blew it rather badly this time.
Gandalf had warned Pippin it wasn't wise to try to lie to Denethor--how much more true, then, would this be of Aragorn? Glad you appreciate that.
grumpy
· 20 November 2005
· Chapter 31: 31: Aftermath
Frodo has impressed Aragorn with his talents, he can defend himself.
I loved the part about hobbits and the finding of mushrooms, that Bilbo had been the same way.
Author's reply
Glad you appreciate that detail of Hobbits tending to try to remain somewhat secretive about finds of edible mushrooms, and that Bilbo tended to be the same way. I think Aragorn would find Frodo's behavior reassuring here.
And yes, it is time Aragorn realized that Frodo isn't totally helpless and dependent.
Thanks so much for the review.
TithenFeredir
· 20 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
Well, good. I think the fair but solemn treatment the Umbari is getting is more stressful to him that being treated badly. He's in the hands of justce now and I'm sure that's ominous to him, quite apart from the fact that he's screwed it up for his delegation. Good. ~TF
Author's reply
Oh, yes, Angrapain has blown it royally, and the Umbaris--those that aren't caught in other things--are being expelled. First, however, they will get their audience and see justice ordered for those who have broken the laws of Gondor. They are going to be lucky to get away at all, I think they'll decide.
Glad you appreciate that the treatment is fair and solemn, and undoubtedly in great contrast to what he'd have been likely to endure at home.
Thanks for the comments.
harrowcat
· 20 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
Well, someone will visit true and honest justice on him as long as he stays safe in the prison until he gets to the hall of judgement. I am beginning to hope that he sees the light and repents properly - however that will not prevent proper consequences and penace being imposed upon him.
As for arbitary orders I can't imagine Aragorn giving a single one of them in his adult life. Rather trained out of him by his esteemed elven brothers I suspect. I mean, he can't even get away with getting his sword back after a less than correct statement of intent! :)
Oh and I loved the recognition scene. How many is that now? I am beginning to lose count. It must have been both saddening and reassuring for the Warder to hear about Boromir. Interesting too, to see how Denethor had begun to corrupt the prison and justice system. Glad to see that Aragorn doesn't have as much reform to do here as in other places, e.g. the Council Chamber!
Author's reply
Angrapain--repent? He'll admit what he's done only because he's been caught; but repent? I doubt he understands the concept as yet. His trial will be thorough and his sentence just, if partially harsh.
Aragorn is just and full of integrity, but also capable of being quite devious. Glad you enjoyed the interchange over the sword.
Haven't kept track of the recognition scenes, but suspect they'll go on for some years yet (but you already know that, having read The King's Commission and Lesser Ring--heh!)
And I agree--Aragorn has less cleanup to do in the prison than he does elsewhere.
So glad you approve so far!
Kitty
· 20 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
Uh oh. I don't like what Madog knows about the last time of the rule of Denethor! Prisoners executed without proper reason? That's a shame for Gondor. I'm upset!
I can understand Madog's doubts about the visit of the King, but it didn't last long. Anyone who knew Thorongil will trust Aragorn ;-) You did a wonderful job with this part, his doubts in the beginning, the gradual relief and in the end the recognition and the bravery to ask his King if he is the son of Thorongil!
Once again Aragorn's question method has proven very useful, hasn't it? I can't wait to know a bit more about what Angrapain has revealed!
Author's reply
Madog is reassured that justice will again be the rule of the day with those kept in the prison of the Citadel, and I'm glad such as he has gained its governorship. And that he'd recognize Thorongil in the King would come, I think. Glad you approve.
As for what Angrapain has revealed, that will shortly be made obvious.
Thanks for the comments.
Periantari
· 19 November 2005
· Chapter 0: Foreward
WOw--so much research gone into writing this and indeed this story is impressive in its depth.
I'm sorry for your loss of your husband though. Many condolences to you.
Author's reply
Thank you, Periantri. One tends to learn a good deal of Sindarin as one reads Tolkien fanfiction, I've found; and I try to integrate it into my stories where it is appropriate.
As for my husband, thank you. I do miss him.
Linda Hoyland
· 19 November 2005
· Chapter 32: 32: Incarceration
I am not surprised Denethor became increasingly erratic with who he arrested.I enjoyed seeing Aragorn's approach and the scene with the Guard.
Many thanks for your much appreciated review.We both like to link all our stories together !
Author's reply
No, I'm not surprised, either. Times of war and impending war tend to increase feeling of paranoia, after all. And am so glad you like the interactions within the prison.
It's fun to make our worlds hang together, isn't it? Lindelea and Baylor taught me how.
Linda Hoyland
· 19 November 2005
· Chapter 31: 31: Aftermath
I'm glad to hear that those unwelcome guests are leaving !It is good that Frodo can surprise Aragorn still !
Author's reply
Yes, those from Umbar will shortly be sent home, save for one or two who have proven less than decent and who have broken local law. And I doubt Wasnior or much of the rest of Umbar will be sorry when Angrapain doesn't come home again.
I'm very anxious to see this trial. I'm surprised at my ability to pity this most offensive individual, now that the initial anger has died down. What is to become of him? God bless,
Galadriel
Author's reply
Angrapain's fate will be both merciful and extraordinarily painful, both physically and emotionally, but I HOPE very appropriate for him. Trial will come in another couple days--don't have time to post now--Sundays are my short days at home with my weird schedule.
I loved hearing what everyone was wearing. Such work it is to look proper for such things. Poor Sam and Frodo not wanting to wear their circlets. Good thing the Shire doesn't actually have any kings or queens. I also like the image of Rose Cotton and her brothers traveling to Minas Tirith to take Frodo to task for keeping Sam away from the Shire! I think a lass who was able to have that many children just might make it to Minas Tirith on her own. She has to be a very strong lass!
Author's reply
Being royalty took a good wardrobe throughout the Middle Ages, and Aragorn is lucky to be getting ready to marry the greatest embroiderer in all of Middle Earth!
And Frodo and Sam would so much rather be just ordinary again, a fate which is not theirs to enjoy.
But I agree--Rosie was an extraordinary lass, and a strong one, and one who would have moved mountains to have her lad return to her once she was aware he was still alive. There's still a matter of a kiss of promise between them that he bestowed upon her before he left, and that she will need to return to him all too soon.
OK, I don't trust Galador for some reason. Plenty of people and hobbits have been asking personal questions but Galador's questions bother me in a way those other questions did not. I could be wrong but I get a very bad feeling from him in this chapter.
Author's reply
Oh, I don't think Galador's a bad sort--just heavily blinkered and not certain how to adjust to all these strange folk in the capitol.
Grey Wonderer
· 19 November 2005
· Chapter 19: 19: A Fresh Wind in the Citadel
I do believe that Faramir has made the speach that every woman longs to hear. He may not be Aragorn but he is most certainly guite a catch! Eowyn is a very lucky lass indeed! I also enjoyed Eomer's response as the protective brother. Eowyn is lucky in many ways.
I loved the story of Aragorn falling asleep in his birthday feast! Must be tough growing up with perfect beings who have endless memories.
Author's reply
Yes, demonstrating that the Silver Tongue Award goes to Faramir son of Denethor, Lord Steward (and soon to be Lord PRINCE Steward) of Gondor under the High King of Men!
Grey Wonderer
· 19 November 2005
· Chapter 18: 18: Amending the Rolls of the King
“They name their feast halls here?” Sam shook his head.
“It sounds like a good idea to me,” Merry commented.
After that exchange I have a feeling that Merry may return to Buckland and set about naming all of the feast halls within Buckland! LOL
Author's reply
Yes, it is an idea! It's a wonder that Hobbits haven't done this before, I think.
You have me giggling: The Banquet Chamber of Fortinbras....