Moments in Time by Larner

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Anonymous · 23 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

Tedicus, Apparantly they don't have wild turkeys in the Shire if Frodo considers a peacock the largest bird he has encountered, I'm assuming that he is discounting any unconscious meetings with magically enhanced raptors. Pippin certainly seems to have some kind of well fixation or fetish. His mind always appears to be oriented toward wet, dark holes; perhaps there is something Freudian in that. It is quite an insight in to hobbit psychology, that Paladin saw the problem that warranted amelioration was the well rather than his daughter's ineptitude. The Merchant Adventurers Guild sounds like a euphemism for Pier 1 Imports or a buyer for Wal~Mart. It also conjures up visions of Indianna Jones fetching artifacts of unusual distinction. Another great post full of the quirks that make life interesting to those of us that see the world through jaundiced eyes Larner.

Author's reply

Do they have turkeys in England or Europe? I know that Benjamin Franklin personally thought the wild turkey should become the national bird for the United States due to its slyness and practicality. Wild turkeys apparently have little in common with their notoriously stupid domesticated relatives when it comes to native intelligence. As Frodo was unconscious when he and Sam were brought out of Mordor, I doubt he'd have much memory of the eagles, although he does probably have a nodding acquaintance with geese and swans, who are as large as peacocks or larger. The four Hobbits might just be exaggerating at least a bit. But for land-birds, a peacock is quite large until one looks at ostriches, Emus, and so on, none of which Hobbits would be likely to be aware of. But then, can the great Eagles of Middle Earth, being sentient and able to speak human languages, be truly dismissed as common birds? If you ever visit the city of York in England, you can visit the Merchant Adventurer's Guild Hall, by which one of the rivers that meet there in the city runs. Those who founded it a millenia ago were the wealthy wool merchants of the region, who constituted quite an influential political and financial entity for the land of England. It was added to I think during the Tudor period. I love to go into it and imagine all the kings and queens and noble lords who came there begging loans and donations for this war or that crusade or the other wild idea like a railroad system.... And when someone like Pervinca REFUSES to learn from experience to keep her hair out of the well chain, what is a father to do? Giggling as usual at your post.

Grey Wonderer · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

I loved the way the peacock regarded Frodo and how it allowed him to touch it. Two rare, beautiful souls. Lovely story.

Author's reply

Peacocks are such fascinating creatures. And that Frodo would appreciate their beauty just seemed so right, you know. Thanks so much for the compliments.

naiad · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 2: Stricken from the Book

What a well-told and tragic (yet imaginable) tale! My heart breaks (again) for Frodo. In awe of your deft rendering of the characters and affairs of Hobbiton. As always, thanks~

Author's reply

Thank you for appreciating this one. It's one that fits with my other stories, of course, but then that's true of all of them as time goes on. I can see Frodo getting so depressed at one point that, no longer considering physical suicide, he still might be moved to such actions as these. And that those who loved him would want to set things right for him just seemed so logical. Maybe those who attended the Free Fair that year thought the ratification of Frodo's status was a joke of sorts, but I think it would have been something Sam would want seen done.

naiad · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 5: Parting Gifts

Wonderful enhancing of canon history with new images - the histories of sword and mythril vest. The ending, especially last para was especially moving. Thanks again for opening these new windows on ME.

Author's reply

The idea that Sting originally was forged for Turin came from a story I read elsewhere, and so I added it to this one. Wish I could remember what story it was and who wrote it so I could properly post my appreciation for the idea. However, as I read it almost two years ago at this point I haven't the slightest idea who sparked me to include it in my version of the story. That the mithril shirt was originally believed intended for Isildur's heir is my original idea (as far as I know, of course), and I originally wrote it into my long story "The King's Commission." That there is a special spiritual brotherhood between Aragorn, Frodo, and Sam is also an original idea, and it appears in several of my stories. Thanks so much for the feedback--I of course appreciate it very much.

naiad · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

Perfectly lovely! The details of setting and Gondorian denizens are evocative and charming. The peacocks, delightful (more affectionate than any I've met but voices just as raucus). How inventive to consider a meeting of these birds and hobbits! Excellent portayal of Frodo's sensibilities and appreciative nature, also the subtle allusions to his present fragility. Thanks for sharing this gem.

Author's reply

In our first trip to England, our family went to York. In the Minster Gardens a peacock attached itself to my husband, who was totally blind. The bird followed him everywhere we went, did its most blatant displays, and when Tony would turn away from it would cry out at him until he turned back again. It was quite funny and touching; that peacock found its way into this story, only focusing on Frodo. In Hawaii we met other peacocks that were quite pushy, and I must suppose they, too, helped inspire this bird. I hadn't intended to write any such story when I started it, other than that the peacock in York has been pecking at my imagination again, and I find I so want to go back there again. I think that what triggered it was in "The Acceptable Sacrifice" Frodo comments that Aragorn is becoming quite the peacock. But then I wondered, how would Hobbits of the Shire even KNOW about such birds? So I thought there ought to be a story written about an encounter between them. I'd intended to settle a particular plot bunny on this story, but it wriggled out of my lap before I could get it committed to Works, and so I'll have to go out and track it down and capture it once more before I can get it off the property. Am so glad you appreciate Elisien's family and home and garden, which I think would be a bit more "homely" for Frodo and the other Hobbits than the gardens of the Citadel. Thanks so much for indicating how much you enjoyed it.

Linda Hoyland · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

I wish I could have seen those peacocks !I wonder if they were the first creatures in Aragorn's "zoo". I hope you had a happy Birthday and wish you a happy year.

Author's reply

Oh, dear, my birthday isn't for three more weeks, folks! Big bro just sent me the new Harry Potter movie as an early birthday present to keep me from jumping the gun and buying it for myself. We loved seeing the peacocks by York Minster and in Warwick Castle, and wondered if perhaps Minas Tirith could come up with a few for its new king. As for the zoo, I'll have to get to writing about that one day.

Radbooks · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

Oh, I enjoyed this very much. The longing for gardens... the presence of the children there and not only the peacocks (which are beautiful) but the chicks... all of it reminded me of spring and new life. Which is appropriate given what is going on at that time in the hobbits' lives at that time! :) I laughed at the noise the peacock makes... I am sure that Aragorn and Arwen will NOT enjoy that part of their gift. But they will enjoy the beauty of it. :)

Author's reply

Yes, indeed appropriate for their lives at the time. My late husband's aunt and uncle also had peacocks for a time, although they blatantly ignored us when we visited, unlike the one we met in the city of York, there in the Minster gardens. Their screams can be terrifying if you don't realize they are there. And they will flaunt themselves around so.

harrowcat · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

Oh, yes, a *deep and satisfied sigh* for this one Larner. I knew it was peacocks that you were describing right from the beginning. You must have been thinking of Warwick again where they abound, especially in and around the castle. I grew up listening to them calling and heartily agree with Frodo's reaction and Pippin's description. They have been known to be used as guard birds; a bit like geese. They also feature on menus alongside swan. Apparently they taste even worse! I, too, love the feathers. My Dad uses them in tying flies for fishing but I just like to see a bunch of them in a vase like flowers. Hope life is getting a little less stressful for you.

Author's reply

For those who are accustomed to peacocks, I thought it would be very obvious what they were. The peacock which most influenced this story was one we met in York in the Minster Gardens, there where the monastery used to stand. It followed us around and around the gardens, attaching itself to Tony. As Tony was totally blind WHY it decided to make Tony the recipient of its attention and displays we had no idea, but it was fun. It even waited outside the museum there until we came back out and displayed and strutted some more. I remember the ones at Warwick Castle, but they weren't as pushy as the one in York, or the ones at Waimea Falls Park on Oahu--those will run right over you for your popcorn if you aren't careful, we found. Tony's aunt and uncle had a pair for a time, but had to find other homes for them in the end. They never paid us any mind, we found. And you can tell I already know their watchdog abilities from the story. And the feathers are indeed so gorgeous in vases. But I'd heard their taste wasn't so nice, and that those who ate them at feasts were doing it more for the sake of being ostentatious than anything else. As for life being less stressful--IF ONLY! Gack!

shirebound · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

Ohhh, what a lovely story. Full of gentleness. The peacocks had found them now, and the two hens settled down near Lord Frodo’s chair while the cock walked back and forth about it as if on guard for the Ringbearer, now and then pausing to display his glorious tail with its multitude of eyes upon it. I felt I was in that garden with them. Beautiful writing.

Author's reply

It was supposed to be an existing plotbunny exhibited here, but this is what came out. It certainly isn't what I'd expected to write, you must understand. This one just crept out of nowhere and insisted on taking over the computer. So glad you found it beautiful. And the peacock keeping its eyes on Frodo just crept in there.

Andrea · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

“I wish you could stay here forever,” she said, “forever and ever, here in the garden with the peacocks about you, here where you could have beauty always there for you.” That was beautiful, Larner! As the peacock unfolds his tail and the hobbits are spellbound by its beauty, the children are fascinated with Frodo and his stories. And the birds are drawn to him, even the little ones. For Frodo it must have been a moment of pure happiness: after all the destruction there is still beauty in Minas Tirith, and the beauty lives on! In my hometown the peacock has a special meaning. There is an old legend that when the relics of our patron saint were to be transferred from France to Germany, the party got lost on their way. Then suddenly a peacock appeared and led them all the way back to my town, and when that "quest" was accomplished the peacock died! Since then the relics are shown in a golden shrine, together with a golden staff that is decorated with the feathers of a peacock.

Author's reply

Oh, so glad you find this story beautiful. I think every chance Frodo had to see beauty was a gift to him, particularly after leaving the others at Parth Galen. To have to traverse the Emyn Muil and the Dead Marshes and the waste before the Gates and then to leave the beauty of Ithilien for the horrors of Mordor must have been all he could take and more. And I've ever seen him as the one to tell the stories, until it was time for him to leave when he must pass on that blessed duty to the others. And thanks so much for sharing the story of your town and the peacock associated with it.

hanci · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

This is beautiful.

Author's reply

I'm so very glad you like it, Hanci. One that took time to write, but it turned out well indeed. Thank you so much for letting me know how much it pleased you.

Queen Galadriel · 22 March 2006 · Chapter 7: Iridescence

Oh, how delightful, Larner! What a wonderful family, and it's so sweet how the peacocks seem so drawn to Frodo. A beautiful day, indeed. This is my favourite line: “I wish you could stay here forever,” she said, “forever and ever, here in the garden with the peacocks about you, here where you could have beauty always there for you." Thank you so much for this gentle tale; it really brightened my day. :) God bless, Galadriel

Author's reply

I am so glad you enjoyed it so, Galadriel. And I think all innocence would be drawn to Frodo, don't you? Thanks so much for the review.

Rachel Stonebreaker · 25 February 2006 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Superb! Simply wonderful! I'm not much into stories after the Great Ring Tossing Ceremony, because Frodo going away, for me, was just too hard to bear and almost always these type of stories are just too fanciful, full of wishful thinking. But YOUR story, A Message and a Bottle, was believable. And very well written. I'm glad Marigold picked it for one of her Best Pics. Thanks for writing such a nice, sweet addition to such a wonderful but sad story.

Author's reply

Somehow I managed to miss this review. I am so glad you found this believable and a proper addition to canon. There is so often a need for us to know those we love are there still, and this story was just insisting it be written for so very long. And I am so very glad Marigold recommended it. It is a great honor.

Frodo Baggins · 5 February 2006 · Chapter 3: Gifts and the Benefits of Scholarship

Oh Larner! How abslolutely splendid! I laughed so hard on this! To think that the noble King of Gondor would say such things without knowing! This was very well written and I was in need of a good laugh, being in the midst of Antane's serious angst...hannon le! GOd Bless, Frodo Baggins

Author's reply

I do blame this on Bodkin and the Grey Wonderer, you know. They did such good jobs on their stories, this one was just begging to be written tying them together. So glad it gave you such enjoyment.

Queen Galadriel · 3 February 2006 · Chapter 2: Stricken from the Book

Oh, Larner, this brought me to tears! I want to shout, "How could he? How could he do something so drastic, so foolish, so unjust?" But I know why, and when I think of the reasons for Frodo's horrible act, even while I believe it was a mistake on his part, pity overwhelms the feeling akin to anger. Very poignant and terribly imaginable. God bless, Galadriel

Author's reply

I can see Frodo doing this, and also grieve that in my vision of the blank spaces he felt impelled to do such a thing. But I do believe that by the time Fosco and Forsythia were of an age to set things right he was healed enough to be aware he did a foolish thing indeed. And I like to think that the Shire would eventually formally recognize the ennoblement of Frodo, even if most had no idea what it meant. If he was gone, then what would they care what happened to his memory? So glad you see this as a possibility.

Queen Galadriel · 27 January 2006 · Chapter 1: Thinning

Read this several months ago, but my screen reader gave me a sudden, unpleasant surprise and I had to shut down very quickly before I got a chance to review. So now I'm going to try and go through all of these I missed and review them, wonderfully free, hopefully, from surprises. I had to chuckle at little Frodo. "Why? Why? What's the difference between this and that? Why do you do that? How?" LOL! But I think he really wanted to know and wasn't just asking questions for the sake of asking them, as so many children will. I don't believe Sam would ever throw away the extra bulbs, especially after seeing what Mordor was like-no clean water, no clean air, no plants or insects other than those ugly thorns and those horrible flies. For some reason the ending brought tears to my eyes. I think maybe it's partly a carry-over from TLO earlier today. It's somehow sad that Sam didn't realise, but then maybe that's a good thing. And it was nice that Frodo could have some much-needed peace. But still, I wish he hadn't had to make the decision at all. This was beautifully done, and I can't wait to read more of these-though I just can't do any more sad stuff tonight, and I'm going to get through TTOF first. Yes, I'm still there. :) God bless, Galadriel

Author's reply

Not every story on here is sad, but the first two definitely are. I truly think Frodo would want to know WHY? and wouldn't be fobbed off with glib or airy answers; he'd be a trial for those who don't truly know and would prefer to give the glib ones. Nor do I think Sam would throw away extra bulbs. But, if Frodo's introduction to thinning was by one who did usually dump the unneeded bulbs and plants (you certainly don't replant carrots and trees when thinning, after all, which I'm actually more practically experienced with than thinning bulbs, after all), then it is strongly possible that Frodo would be surprised by the idea of just replanting the extras. Unfortunately, too many folks at HASA took exception to this story because they don't particularly like Frodo-angst, and it's been declined there twice. Have decided not to try with it again for a time after all that. Give it a year and a slight intro, and maybe I'll then try it again.

Pearl Took · 24 January 2006 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

Wonderful!! Beautiful!!! Such a wondrous gift in so many ways. The wine, the sending and returning of the bottle, and the story itself. Thank you, Larner!!

Author's reply

So glad you liked it, Pearl. Have been out of town for the last few days, so missed this review--please forgive the tardiness of the response. I know that for me wanting to make contact at times has been intense; and I think that in the case of Frodo the desire of the others to have something tangible to demonstrate his awareness and love would be pretty strong. The idea of this had literally haunted me for months before I first wrote it, and then I had to do some crucial rewriting to get the ending right. Am so glad you enjoyed it as you did.

westwindschild · 20 January 2006 · Chapter 4: A Message and a Bottle

What a beautiful story! I can just picture Frodo, Bilbo and Gandalf drinking a salute to absent friends, then sending the empty bottle back to Middle Earth. Many thanks to Ulmo for letting the bottle get through and find just the right hobbits with its message.!

Author's reply

This story has indeed struck a chord with many people, and, for all the trouble it gave me in its writing, ended up one of the most successful I've written. I am honored you enjoyed it also. Yes, the toasts drunk on both sides of the Sundering Sea, and the joy of knowing tangibly that the love is still there, and that all did the right thing. Thanks so much for letting me know you enjoyed this.

demeter d · 6 January 2006 · Chapter 5: Parting Gifts

This one has been out for a while. I just read your latest chapters of An Acceptable Sacrifice, and decided to clean out some old messages. i had this still in my box, so read it again. I noticed particularly the reference to Sam and remembered where it came from, "he who would be chief among you, let him be the servant of all". And then Galadriel seeing that for good or ill, Frodo still ended up in that tower full of orcs, yet somehow, the Light is able to use that situation for good. Celeborn asked how light could possibly penetrate that tower. then I remembered. The humble little gardener took The ring, Sting, and the phial full of Earendil's light when he thought it was up to him to bravely finish the Quest, alone. As I am sure you would then say, HE became Eru's intrument to bring light INTO that dark tower, and the RINGBEARER, his master and friend, OUT of it. And Galadriel herself said not to underestimate him. Lovely moments.

Author's reply

Thank you. Yes, the gardener became the instrument of Light. Am so glad you appreciated it, and that Galadriel admonished Celeborn not to appreciate him. Yet, she, too, the Lady of Light, also became the instrument of Light that evening as she prepared what was needed to allow that Light to enter the tower. The wonder of Tolkien is that we have so many different people, each fighting ultimate evil as they can, doing each what he or she is best suited for, and all in the end defeating that evil together. Some do normal, everyday things; others do things they'd either trained for all their lives or that they'd never dream would be asked of them; but it is the culmination of the devotion of all to opposing that evil that in the end defeats it.

Pearl Took · 30 December 2005 · Chapter 6: Longing

How very different a look at Pippin and Merry's leaving. How touching and comforting/sad. Well Done!!

Author's reply

Am so glad you found it moving, and capable of evoking so many different moods, Pearl.

Radbooks · 30 December 2005 · Chapter 6: Longing

What a wonderful Christmas present! Thank you so much, Larner. What a bittersweet moment between Pippin and Faramir. I was so angry at the gossip that Faramir referred to when he asked his father if he was running away to die. To think that Frodo had left so that people would be left guessing about his death and prolong their grief, etc. People have such short memories, though I know everyone just likes to have something to talk about. Celeborn and Galadriel were well aware of what they were doing when they gave the Fellowship lembas for their journey and knew that whatever the cost, it was worth it for the survival of Middle-earth. Though, I think it would have been kinder to have informed the Fellowship members of that potential cost to themselves. But then I suppose just agreeing to go on the quest had proved that they were willing to risk their lives for Middle-earth and this seemed a lesser thing to the elves. I was glad that Faramir was finally able to accept his father's decision even if he probably didn't fully understand it. I doubt that anyone except Merry could fully understand why he had to go and be with those that loved and missed Frodo and felt the pull of the sea like he did. They needed to part on good terms. Thanks again for a wonderful present! :)

Author's reply

You are so welcome, Radbooks. And I, too, am glad that Faramir began to understand and to accept. But it must have been difficult for those who were left behind to understand why all four of the Travellers had to leave the Shire at the end. None of them was happy to remain; and once Sam left, Merry and Pippin followed so soon afterwards.

SlightlyTookish · 28 December 2005 · Chapter 6: Longing

I usually don't like reading stories about Merry and Pippin when they're old and leaving the Shire. But when I saw you wrote this one I just had to read it, and I'm so glad I did. I love your explanation of how the lembas caused the restlessness in them. It just makes so much sense! Thank you so much for this. I really enjoyed it.

Author's reply

Sorry it's taking me so long to do responses to reviews, but I had an interesting last week of the month with my work schedule--in two weeks I worked eleven days almost straight, and one of them was a twenty-four hour shift, which was INTERESTING. Gaack! I was inspired by one of the Tolkien quotes on this site from HoME to put into The Acceptable Sacrifice that much of Frodo's own restlessness was due to having eaten the lembas, and Aragorn admits he, too, feels the Sea Longing, as do Sam and Gimli to a lesser extent; and so I had two people ask, but wouldn't it have had a similar response on Merry and Pippin? That got the imagination working, and this is what came out. Am glad you found it worth while braving Merry and Pippin growing older to read. Am very glad you enjoyed it.

Kitty · 27 December 2005 · Chapter 6: Longing

It’s fascinating what I’m learning about Tolkien’s work through fanfiction. Before Nilmandra put this up here, I’d not even known about this effect of lembas. Now you’ve secured I remember it! In this case, it seems logical Merry and Pippin have the sea-longing, too, after they had some of it on the Quest. No wonder they’re restless. It’s a bit sad they can’t sail, though. And it would offer a reason why they leave the Shire and spend their last years in the south. Although for Legolas I had always thought it was the cry of the gulls. But maybe it was the combination of both. As they don’t know for sure if Pippin’s pony is a descendant of Aragorn’s Roheryn, you mean they’re not drawing family trees for their horses, too? How un-hobbitish! :)

Author's reply

The eating of the lembas wasn't said to cause the Sea Longing in Elves; but it might indeed have reinforced it once it was awakened for Legolas by the cries of the gulls. I'd read the description of the raising of the grain from which lembas was made before, but hadn't any idea that it was considered perilous to mortals for its danger in awakening the Sea Longing as it could; and so once I saw that quote I wrote it into "The Acceptable Sacrifice" as one of the reasons Arwen would consider begging the right for Frodo to take her place. But once the question was asked whether Merry and Pippin could have known its effects this was the story which came out. So often once an idea is sparked, particularly from Tolkien's own auxilliary writing, I find it starts inspiring what I write immediately.

Queen Galadriel · 27 December 2005 · Chapter 6: Longing

Oh, poor Pip! I never imagined *he* would feel the sea-longing. I thought that he and Merry left the Shire simply because they felt more at home in the lands they'd come to love and with the kings to whom they'd given their allegiance. A very interesting take on this, Larner. God bless, Galadriel

Author's reply

It was the quote a week ago that lembas could waken the Sea Longing in mortals that led to this, along with the question as to how Merry and Pippin might have responded. It just sort of flowed out from that. But they do say farewell to Eomer, and then spend their last days with Aragorn, comforted, I think, by his presence. It must have been hard on him, losing the last two of the Hobbits with whom he'd traveled so far! Thanks for the response!

Garnet Took · 26 December 2005 · Chapter 6: Longing

This was wonderful. I didn't read the quotes, but this make perfect sense. I actually had a tear in my eye when Farry didn't seem to understand his father's reasoning. I was so afraid that they'd part on bad terms--glad I was wrong. I must confess that I was thrilled that you chose Pippin and Farry as the main characters in this. Thanks. GT.

Author's reply

The two quotes from HoME were thought-provoking, and led me to write the information on the possible effects of lembas on mortals into my current story "The Acceptable Sacrifice"; then Harrowcat and Dreamflower both asked how they might have affected Merry and Pippin. Letting that percolate in my imagination produced this. So very glad you appreciated it. As for why Faramir and Peregrin Took rather than Merry and his son--well, it was Farry and Pippin that appeared in my mind's eye when I began writing. Thanks so much for the comments and questions.