Tigger
· 18 September 2005
· Chapter 42: Homeward Bound
What a delightful chapter. Full of discoveries. Both of adventure and relationships. Loved just how keenly the Haradi Lady saw what was happening between her daughter and Benai. Then gave her Lord husband a lesson in just how important and right their daughter's deepening relationship w/Benai is and what it could become for the good of their land. I'm sure all the Haradi Lord saw was someone was courting *his* daughter. As my Dad has told me, there's never anyone who will be good enough for me in his eyes. Typical father behaviour. ;o)
Poor Ankharbi...I know just how overwhelming things can be in a new place when so much is happening so quickly. Glad, but not surprised, Aragorn was keeping his eyes on the Crown Prince and realized what was going on.
And camels have finally made their way to Gondor. Loved the idea of a Gondorian zoo. You made it a very plausible idea and believable as well.
Also loved the surprise Benai gave the group of Northern Dunedain. I could oh so clearly see the looks on their faces once Benai started speaking Adunaic...LOL!!! That was very well done!!
Looking forward to the next chapter, but it might be awhile till I get a chance to read it. Heading off to Toronto to visit w/friends this week, so I'll have to catch up when I get back next weekend. Can't wait!! :o)
Author's reply
Hope your trip is fun and educational!
I've felt overwhelmed with too many new experiences at once, particularly when I'm tired. Just coming out of a serious injury, I think Ankhrabi would need to possibly do some resting while trying to keep the new experiences down to manageable bits.
And the differences between the ways daddies versus mothers see the relationships growing for their daughters is always interesting to compare and contrast! You are right there--moms tend to be more practical, and dads more protective.
And I think this is how zoos have often started--someone makes a gift of an exotic animal, and then someone else wants to top it, then a third party adds to the collection, until in the end they end up with all kinds of beasts and need to find some practical use for them.
Looking forward to your return home at the weekend.
lindahoyland
· 18 September 2005
· Chapter 42: Homeward Bound
I just loved the camels ! It seems Aragorn is founding a zoo in Minas Tirith !I still giggle at the idea of Denethor being given a camel !The scene where Benai knew what was being said was a gem too.It shows you should never talk of people as if I they were not there.I also loved the horses at the end.
Many thanks for your kind reviews,which I greatly appreciate.You are good at guessing,but there are lots of twists to come.
Author's reply
The Batsis appear to be insistent that Aragorn ought to own some of the best camels bred, aren't they? And, yes, it does appear he is beginning to gather a zoo. Now, if he could only meet someone of the caliber of Gerald Durrell to help him get the thing going properly. Have you ever heard of the Jersey Trust Zoo? I'm dying to visit again. It's my ideal of what a zoo should really be.
And the Northern Dunedain sailors certainly got their surprise, didn't they?
As for Denethor and the camel, I rather wish Aragorn had sent it to him. Might have given him some thought.
As for my guesses.... I'll let you answer them as the story unfolds.
Radbooks
· 18 September 2005
· Chapter 41: Traveling Companions
I certainly hope that the month spent in Minas Tirith is much calmer for Ankhrabi and his family, than the month in Harad has been for Aragorn and everyone! :) I am sure that it will be, but their eyes will be opened to so many new things and new ideas. It's always good to travel and see new things and new ways of doing things. Seeing new cultures at any age is a wonderful thing, but especially I think for children. They aren't so set in their ways as us adults are and so can see that there are other ways of doing things.
I was glad the Ruvemir was able to make a sculpture of the Farozi, that was a wonderful gift to leave behind and that so many people had a hand in it makes it even more special.
I just knew that Pippin and the cook were going to have to make some kind of arrangements about mushrooms! :)
Nicely done chapter.
Author's reply
I'm so glad you found yourself appreciating the story, Radbooks, and am still looking forward to reading more of yours in return.
And of COURSE the Haradri cook wants mushrooms now--he has a reputation to uphold as the best cook in Thetos, after all; and having found a new pleasure, he'll want to present it when he can and to best effect.
And of course Aragorn had to have at least a small part in creating the sculpture of An'Sohrabi, even if it was only doing a few removes. And the willingness of the northern royalty to work practically as well as offering leadership in war and peace will have a positive effect, I hope, on all.
So glad you continue to enjoy it all.
Kitty
· 18 September 2005
· Chapter 41: Traveling Companions
Hmmm ... I'm not so surprised about what happened in the red temple. It was probably inevitable they quarreled under these circumstances. But I am sorry particularly for Sa'Harpelamun. It can't be easy for him to lose his twin, and now he has to leave all he knows, too. Even if it is not for long.
Well, this was quite a long and eventful visit in Harad, and I am still sad to see it coming to an end. As I said before, I came to love the Farozi and his family, and Sohrabi's wish to have Aragorn there when he dies is so very touching. Even if Aragorn isn't able to do it, I am sure Sohrabi knows his son and grandson have a very good friend in Aragorn and that the king will be there for them if they need him. Surely it is a reassurance for him.
Now I look forward to their return to Gondor and what Ankhrabi and his family are going to do there. And then there is Benai. It is a consolation to know the visit in Harad may be over, but the story itself is probably far from over yet - I think (hope) there are still some chapters to come!
Author's reply
Some chapters to come yet, yes.
What precisely happened in the remains of the temple of Seti is difficult to say, but part of it may yet be revealed. Or perhaps more. It's niggling at me, I find.
Trust has been established now between the house of the Farozi and the house of Telcontar; and Benai is now learning what he needs of the two Northern Kingdoms to bear back to his own people, and learning what aid they will give against such as the G'banis.
But we ARE winding down, I think.........
Bodkin
· 18 September 2005
· Chapter 41: Traveling Companions
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Ankhsarani finds a good reason not to return. She's taking enough baggage for an extended stay!
Poor Setra’amun. Can't help but feel sorry for him. A cruel fate. And I feel even sorrier for his brother.
(Did they find the enslaved husband of what's-her-name? And return him home?)
It'll be interesting to see how Ankhrabi and Nefiramonrani and their kids deal with Gondor. It's a very different environment. And considerably colder.
Author's reply
Yes, it's cooler and probably more humid as well. But as it is now high summer, they probably won't feel cold, and will be surprised, I suspect, to find the nights are warmer than what they are accustomed to there by the desert.
Haven't learned about Mayanerini's son-in-law as yet, but they'd not had a great deal of time to find him before they headed for Gondor, after all. That's coming.
As for Setra'amun--that part of the story is still niggling at me. It wants to be told, but I'm not certain I wish to tell it.
This was a lovely winding down end to the visit. I'm so glad that Aragorn is a humane hunter - knew he would be but it is nice to see my thoughts confirmed! - and that Pip helped to prepare the meal.
I had a feeling that violence would erupt between the two in the temple. Hatred and fear lead to anger (oh dear, I sound like Yoda!) and a confrontation was inevitable I suppose.
I hope we'll see the visitors from Harad arrive in Gondor and learn of their reactions to the culture there.
Author's reply
We'll get some, but not a great deal--visits with major conflicts are always more interesting to read than those where things go primarily peacefully, after all.
Setra'amun wants his tale told, I find, but am not certain I wish to tell it. We'll see what the next couple days bring.
And, yes, I think Aragorn would wish indeed to be a humane hunter, and would not do so just for the fun of the sport.
lindahoyland
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 41: Traveling Companions
I am so sad this visit to Harad is coming to an end.I liked the way that Aragorn would hunt humanely and that they eat what they kill.I still have a bad feeling about Setra’amun and the former priest.
I hope you will tell us about the Harad visitors in Gondor.
Many thanks for your kind review of my story.
Author's reply
Yes, I think that Aragorn would be a humane hunter who would indeed only seek to hunt for what he will eat, and not just for trophies and the like.
The Haradrim are already finding reason to appreciate the hospitality of Gondor just on the voyage; that they will appreciate it more by the time they are ready to return home is, I think, a given.
And we will see what is revealed of the story of Setra'amun.
Tigger
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 41: Traveling Companions
Sigh...And they're on their way home. So much good happened during the visit to help Harad stay under the rule of the Farozi. Even if it also caused much pain and upheavel. Looking forward to Anksrabi and his family's trip to Gondor.
Really looking forward to the next installment. :o)
Author's reply
Yes, the ship is now taking them home, and good has come out of the potential for much evil. And we look now for welcome in Gondor, hope in Camaloa, and gentleness everywhere.
harrowcat
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 41: Traveling Companions
Ah, a nice, quiet, (well mostly anyway,) gentle but deeply satisfying chapter.
I do hope Aragorn gets to return in time but RL isn't always like our wishes and I am glad he doesn't promise.
(As for 'sticksies' they are 'virtual sticks:' An invention of Marigold's to beat up certain authors that she betas for in order to persuade them to post more quickly. Put like that it sounds awful but it is all in fun. I think I read references to them in reviews on her Red Book site but then my mind tends to be a luggage room like Barliman's and odd things pop out at times.)
Author's reply
At least they get to leave under peaceful circumstances, don't they? And the visit ended on an upbeat note.
No, Aragorn can't promise to be by An'Sohrabi when the time comes, but will do what he can to help Ankhrabi and Ma'osiri to be the best rulers they can be.
Thanks so much for following this, and interesting about the sticksies.
grumpy
· 17 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
Wonderful chapter. It is nice to know that the ranger turned king, can still go camping when things get to much. I love how everyone looked after Aragorn in this chapter, including what was in the waterbottle.
Author's reply
Yes, even after time the remnants of athelas tea which filled that waterbottle for Frodo for so long, still lingers and gives a healing essence; and everyone who comes to know the King of Gondor well tends to love him.
shirebound
· 16 September 2005
· Chapter 29: Archery and Shire Cooking
What a delight! I enjoyed every bit of this chapter. What a fortunate food taster to have to 'endure' sampling -- and loving -- all the delicious hobbity fare.
Author's reply
Oh, I knew you'd like it! Even when not at home or in the Shire Hobbits just have a way of getting folk smiling and knowing comfort.
Thanks for reading it.
Kitty
· 15 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
Poor Aragorn, this 'gift' is not always a good one! In moments as this one it must be very hard to bear it. I can understand he needed to go out and seek solace under the stars.
Hardorn didn't argue he should be the one to go with Aragorn for a change? Well, he knows he can trust Legolas. And it was sweet Pippin gave Aragorn his own waterskin with the athelas water from Sam. It is a little reminder of Frodo and Sam. Exactly what Aragorn needed, maybe more than the soothing effect of the athelas itself. It is so heartening to see how all of them care for Aragorn, knowing how difficult this all is for him.
Another very nice part was Aragorn's talk with the twins and his further healing of Ma'osiri. I'm very fond of Sohrabi, Ankhrabi and his sons now, so I enjoyed it so much.
Author's reply
The King's Gift is a two-edged sword; and remember that the Ring used it to weaken Frodo and to tempt him (in my version of it, at least). It can be most uncomfortable in situations like this.
And, the water tasting of the athelas the waterskin held for so long when Sam was keeping it prepared for Frodo would indeed bring him in tune with the two of them.
When I started writing this, I was prepared not to like Sohrabi; but he has turned out to be a very decent sort after all, and I agree with you--I like him and his family as well.
Bodkin
· 15 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
Poor Aragorn. A double-edged sword, this gift of his. But at least he can bask in the love and care of those who surround him.
Ma’osiri and Amon’osiri's concern for the twins who are about to be separated is touching - and probably edged with concern for their safety. They are bound to be as worried about Setra’amun as they are for him.
Looking forward to more.
Author's reply
You just used the description I wrote in the response to the review above this one--yes, a double-edged sword indeed. But he's forged a wonderful family for himself, for he, like Frodo, draws those worth knowing to himself.
Thank you for appreciating the twins' concerns about Setra'amun being as double-sided as they are.
Hope to have the next chapter posted tomorrow--took a client to the Fair today.
Another very thoughtful chapter. It is fascinating to think what sort of feeling might be provoked in Aragorn with those extra psychic abilitites. Opening oneself to others is a wonderful thing in many cases but must be very disturbing when those people are mad or bad. It must leave a nasty aftertaste, as it were. No wonder he needed to get away and enjoy some peace and the beauty of the stars.
I think you write Aragorn beautifully. I never liked him much in the books but came to appreciate him more when the films came out, and I think you capture the best of our Ranger King.
Lovely to know that Sam is still looking after the brother of his spirit. We all need a Sam!
Author's reply
Oh, I'm so glad I found this one tonight. How I miss reviews at times I'm not certain--only know I do, and it leaves me feeling embarrassed.
I fell in love with Aragorn the first time I read the books when I was only thirteen-fourteen years old. He was so wise, so many-sided, so experienced in many things. The movies and Viggo's depiction of him just added to it all. That you think I write him well means a great deal to me.
I've thought long about how psychic abilities might affect folks, and they could definitely be blessing and bane at the same time, particularly when you must deal with fanatics and madmen (or madwomen, for that matter). I've found myself halfway understanding folk who would do things I couldn't do myself, and empathizing with them more than others whose logic is harder for me to appreciate, and so I apparently projected that feeling onto Aragorn, I guess.
Thanks so much for the feedback. And you are right--we all need a Sam.
Radbooks
· 14 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
It was interesting how sometimes Aragorn needed to be surrounded by those he knew loved him and sometimes he needed to be alone - or mostly alone. Also that he could see that part of himself in two of those who were sentenced... well, he could understand them and see how easily he could have chosen a different path maybe. It's a thin line he walks - we all walk between darkness and light.
Loved how everyone took care of him before he left - Pippin, Ruvemir, Hardon, Benai, Legolas, etc. They didn't really fuss over him, just kind of gave him what he needed and let him go. They all read him so well - just as he reads them. Pippin and 'Sam' with the athelas water was wonderful too.
Looking forward to more.
Author's reply
As has been pointed out, they are an extended family now, and all learning to look after one another, and particularly the one who has the most responsibility and who's most likely to overextend himself for everyone else.
I know sometimes when I'm upset I need to head for a hole, and other times I need just to talk to someone. Stands to reason Aragorn would find the same dilemma, one time wanting to surround himself with others as a distraction and the next heading out to somewhere quiet without too many distractions just to try to deal with it.
And, yes, we all do walk that thin line, don't we? I've not seen the total turn away from God shown in the priest, but have seen the spirals away others have taken, getting wilder and wilder until you're certain this time the person is totally losing awareness of where the Light is. But there are some folks I find myself empathizing with whom I truly wish I could ignore, while others I can't find enough in common to make it worthwhile trying.
Thanks so much for the feedback.
lindahoyland
· 14 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
A very moving chapter,poor Aragorn,he feels things so deeply.I believe that is one of thinks that makes him so special though.I often wonder too if he feels suffacated by walls at times.I loved the healing scene with the young prince.
Author's reply
I know you love Aragorn healing anyone, and it's a blessing to be able to write such scenes, as you know.
If Aragorn is the Sacred King, he represents those he stands for before the Valar and the Creator as well as the health of the land itself. The Elves feel the health of the land and all that grows on it; I just stretched that Elven ability to make the King's Gift in which he feels the well-being of its people as well. Yes, it would make him more special for he physically or psychically feels the needs of his people and thus will go out of his way to try to see to it things go as well as possible for most so as to enhance his own feelings of well-being. A person with such a gift would almost be forced to act in as responsible a manner as possible.
harrowcat
· 14 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
Just my favourite sort of chapter Larner - deep and meaningful discussion mixed with friendship and hobbit healing, Well done Pippin and Sam and, in way Frodo too through the good offices of the Valar.
(As for my story - sorry to say its still being dreamed about while in the swimming pool)! (And here was I thinking that it was Marigold who had exclusive use of sticksies!)
Author's reply
Well, Pippin recognized this water bottle must have been used by Sam for Frodo's tea as the water tasted of athelas; I think he recognized that Aragorn most likely might need it that night. And the King's smallest guard would have passed on Sam and Frodo's blessings in such a way.
We do get a bit of a mix in this story, don't we?
Author Reply: (ps--Sticksies??? Wassat?)
Tigger
· 14 September 2005
· Chapter 40: Troubled Rest
Sigh...Poor Aragorn. One of the curses of being the King is also feeling the pain of those he has had to give judgement on. Even if only as a witness. I really liked how you wrote his explaination of it all to the two Haradi nobles. A very good balance of what could happen if Aragorn allowed it to take him over and how he combats that w/those he loves or just getting away from it all as he does this night. Bless Pippin and Sam indeed for the putting of the athelas in the water bottle.
Nice interlude after a few very stressful chapters. I hope all that happens in the morning is some duck hunting.
As always, looking forward to the next installment. :o)
Author's reply
Well, before they can hunt those ducks they need to teach Aragorn how to use the bird bow and throwing sticks--and I imagine that he will find himself outshined by others, novice that he is.
And now and then we need some philosophical discussion without more strife, I think.
Sorry it's taking longer to do chapters--real life is catching up to me.
Tigger
· 12 September 2005
· Chapter 39: Rulings
Wow...Just judgements indeed. The ones of the fallen priest and the relative of the Farozi were exactly what they deserved. I also loved Aragorn explaining why he wanted Melian and Eldarion w/them when the judgements were given out. Then to see that Ankrabi understood his younger twin needed that same thing...Excellently done.
As always, looking forward to the next chapter. :o)
Author's reply
To be shut in an empty temple devoted to one who chose power over his intended purpose would have to be about the worst thing in the world to contemplate, wouldn't it? And am so glad you approve of the inclusion of Aragorn and Arwen's children and Amon'osiri in the trial, learning what they must for when it is their turns to sit in judgment--as well as Amon'osiri being certain that what had happened to his brother wouldn't continue.
Thanks so much for the feedback.
Kitty
· 12 September 2005
· Chapter 39: Rulings
The desert people have a quite drastic way to prove someone's death, haven't they? I'm glad nobody sends *me* this sort of proof! *shudders* The pictures in the film with the heads the orcs threw at Minas Tirith were ghastly enough!
After a bit thinking, Aragorn was probably right about the presence of the children at the sentence of the prisoners. Although I can understand Soh'rabi - I would've tried to protect them from this unpleasant business, too! But I agree with Ankhrabi why Amon'osiri should be there. He needs this reassurance.
Mayanerini was a *very* nasty woman, and I am glad she can poison no one more. Her poor husband! And I hope her son-in-law is alive and can be rescued and reunited with his family!
The rest of the judgment was interesting. Another lesson about blind obedience. And to be honest, Sa'Gebankhrabi was bad enough, but if I had to argue with Setra'amun and to try to understand him, in the long run I'd end up with a knot in the brain! You're right, that's mind-boggling.
And you were right in another point - it was not only a bit shocking, but somehow very appropriate as well how the both of them were punished.
Author's reply
The heads shot over the walls in the film came directly, of course, from the books themselves, and I was so glad to see them, fearful that the horrors of Mordor would end up being glossed over. In most cases we tend to wallow too much in horrors and atrocities; that Tolkien used this on instance to show the effects of psychological warfare at its worst made it a far more powerful image in the end in both book and movie.
People who live more subsistence-level lives do tend to be more brutal in their actions toward traitors, and are more hardened to such things--we see it in dealing with many cultures where lopping off the hands of thieves is done routinely. I felt this would prove a good contrast between the more refined actions of the Farozi's folk in their cities and those of the tribes living in the desert areas.
I've seen so many bizarre things done trying to protect children--had a friend who didn't want her daughter to read my Mad Magazines because they might teach her irreverence to authority; but she rented National Lampoon's Vacation for the same children at age six and eight, and I was left going, HUH???? No irreverence for authority, but okay to see a dog dragged to death, a girl turning on to drugs and sex, carrying around Gramma's body because it was too much trouble to deal with it properly, and so on??????? OOOOOOKAAAYYYY! Oh, the examples of such weird thinking and often totally bizarre twists of logic are too numerous to number!
I tried to be honest about the world with my kids as my Mom was with us; trouble was that they became certain that the shows on television and the tales I told them were all fabricated just to "control them" and "deny them fun." Letting them accept personal responsibility for the results of their choices and actions was the hardest thing we as parents could ever do, but it was worth it in the end. I like to think that with their longer lives preparing them to be parents Aragorn and Arwen would have managed to realize that the children have to see from early on how judgements are made, how people act and how it affects others, how they need to be dealt with to stop them from going on to do worse things.
The punishment for Gebankhrabi and Setra'amun started out as a means in my own story I've been working with for dealing with those who choose evil. But trying to think up a proper punishment in any other way just didn't work for the people I'd made up; and I found it just fitted for these two as well.
Obviously this chapter has stirred up a lot of thought on several levels. Thanks for the feedback.
Radbooks
· 12 September 2005
· Chapter 39: Rulings
Wonderful chapter once again. I liked where Aragorn was talking about having his children present when justice was handed out. That they see true justice as they grow up and not wait until we think they are ready. Kids do see and understand a LOT more than we give them credit for. I see that with my children at school, they do know from a very early age the difference between right and wrong.
Then later on when he was talking with the first man who was trying to say that we need to teach fear. That's so true - who needs to teach that?! I love this quote here as it so true:
“Is pleasure not enough to give life meaning? Is seeing a goal and striving for it not enough? Is sharing delight not enough? Is receiving the love and respect and honor of those from whom such has meaning not enough? And what meaning is there to an existence in which one cannot know the Presence?”
There was so much more there in that section, but I can't quote it all! :) It was all so very good and so very, very true. Nicely done.
Fitting punishments were given to them as well - horrible - but fitting. Truly justice was done.
Oh, I liked the realistic comment of Sa’Harpelamun when he said he would rather be back in the Valley where everything was familiar and he wouldn't have to think about what was going to happen to his brother. While of course no one would want to see their brother die as he justly deserves as he well knows. I was thinking that most people are also afraid to leave that which is familiar to go see something new. He has some interesting times ahead of him.
Author's reply
Yes, this would be an extremely difficult time for Harpelamun, both being forced to leave the familiar and to lose a brother.
So many times twins in Middle Earth have been faced with choices that either sundered them or bonded them more closely together. With the sons of Ankhrabi hopefully it will aid to nurture their relationship so that they continue to work together as Sohrabi learned to do with Amonrabi rather than working on differentiation to the point of insanity as Setra'amun has done.
As for trying to teach things that don't need to be taught--Stephen Pinker was contrasting Western culture in general with that of the pygmy peoples of Africa. They find our obsession with trying to elicit speech from our very young children laughable, while they do all they can to assist the child to sit up unaided and to stand, where most Westerners realize that these things the children will do on their own when they are ready. In reality both skills are hardwired into our brains, and given the opportunity and examples around them, children will do pretty well learning both activities on their own without having to be groomed to them.
And here was the chance to reinforce the spiritual values and truths that LOTR has embraced and teaches, although less overtly.
Bodkin
· 12 September 2005
· Chapter 39: Rulings
Good point about letting children see justice administered from an early age. And that Amon’osiri needs to see it in order to be reassured.
The fate of Gebankhrabi and Setra’amun is rather scary. And perhaps questions should be asked about leaving the twins in the care of the priests when it doesn't seem to have been the right place for Setra’amun. It would seem that he needed to be in the outside world, before his mind became twisted into delighting only in his own cleverness. I feel sorry for his brother.
I hope the woman's husband is found safely - and that the little girls recover. Her mother sounds more than a little insane. More than a lot, actually.
Author's reply
A friend has served as foster mother to countless children who had been emotionally and physically abused, and the case of Mayanerini is broadly based on one of the case histories she became familiar with. Obsessive mother wanted to force her grown daughter to remain in emotional bondage, trying to keep the relationship always in the nurturing mother-dependant daughter mode. What the children experienced was pretty horrible. Much as the situation with Varondil in The King's Commission, much of this particular situation is dealing with situations that, unfortunately, happen in real life.
Setra'amun is loosely based on a mixture of about four individuals who are bipolar in their more bizarre states. In many cases these as children would manufacture in their minds completely unrealistic "what-ifs" and become obsessive of them, working through elaborate schemes to deal with almost any contingency that could possibly happen should the particular "what-if" should ever happen. At the same time, real dangers would be facing them and doing everything but beating them about the heads and shoulders, and they'd just blindly continue in their careers. It's as if they were driving down the road and a brick wall was way ahead of them where the road ends or turns, and they were drawing a picture of some completely different danger so as to distract themselves from the real one they actually faced. Watching them drive right into the brick wall again and again was heartbreaking at times.
And I'd think Aragorn and Arwen would want their children's lives firmly grounded, and to have them from their earliest ages have a realistic idea of what a King is SUPPOSED to do and be like. They wouldn't want their heirs to be spoiled idiots.
Thanks so much for the feedback.
harrowcat
· 12 September 2005
· Chapter 39: Rulings
Ooh, powerful stuff Larner!
The need for our children to see the consequences of true justice from the earliest of ages was thought-provoking. My initial reaction was to agree that it was not the place for them. I wanted to protect them from 'adult' things but your argument rings true. A little more of this and we would not need 'reality' shows on TV about mis-behaving Kids. Children need to experience justice and fairness and consistancy too.
And the discussion about following orders and true worship really touched close to home. I work for a church as a teacher (Catechist) and I want to thank you for so clearly expressing many of the reasons I do what I do.
Author's reply
As a special ed teacher and a former substitute teacher I've seen so many people do such odd things attempting to "protect" their children that it's a wonder many of them have any idea what real life could be like. It has been bizarre at times, like the arguments over whether or not Harry Potter teaches witchcraft as practiced by Wiccans (which, of course, it certainly doesn't! GAACK!)
So many who took part in atrocities such as the Holocaust and the My Lai massacres and similar things were "only following orders," when in reality they knew they were doing things that were wrong and only sought to lessen their own guilt by blaming their superiors. And true worship isn't just going to church and mouthing empty words before returning home to beat the wife and abuse the kids and fight with the neighbors; nor is it trying to coax people to "demonstrate their faith" by tithing more than their family can afford or taking part in bizarre activities such as handling poisonous snakes or refusing proper medical attention to their children.
I'm so glad that you found so much that is true to life for you here.
lindahoyland
· 11 September 2005
· Chapter 39: Rulings
A gripping trial scene,justice was done.I agree that it is best children know the truth and see what happens.When I was young,my Mother wanted me to attend my aunt's funeral and the vicar would not allow it,which made me very nervous when I had to attend a funeral when older.
I enjoyed seeing more of Faramir in this chapter and the way Aragorn refers to him.
I loved the scene with aragorn and the twins.
Author's reply
Having a good example before us as we face and make choices is important; and I realized that in spite of their rocky beginnings my stepson and adopted daughter both ended up in some ways a bit too protected, leading to some difficult times when they were teenagers. But I've seen parents of some of my students who have done such bizarre things thinking they're "protecting" their children which ended up backfiring on them over time; I prefer to think Aragorn and Arwen would want their children to see good examples from childhood, and to know from early on what their parents' positions entailed, so they didn't grow up to be the royal brats described in Mercedes Lackey's Valdimar stories about the early years of Princess Elspeth.
And Aragorn and Faramir would, I think, have developed a good relationship, both on the personal and working levels. Of course Faramir would be "my beloved friend and counselor" to Aragorn, as well as developing an equally loving relationship to that of Aragorn and Eomer, but based on completely different traits--intellectual, shared heritage, shared duties, closer proximity, a simple deep affection to help avoid and partially fill the holes left by the loss of brothers, parents, close friends, and so on. And with the examples of other twins and brothers to think on, I think Aragorn would wish the relationship between Ma'osiri and Amon'osiri properly nurtured.
grumpy
· 11 September 2005
· Chapter 38: Returns
Hi it is me again, You would think I would learn to spell things right. That should be "gave" not "cave". The two letters are not even close on the keyboard.
Author's reply
You should see mee editing chapters, wondering why I KEEP hitting the period instead of the question mark, and how I keep managing to type a k instead of a d! I sometimes think my hands are dyslexic or something. I am finally becoming as decent a typist as I am a braillist, not that my first attempt at transcribing a book is any great shakes--I'm a hopeless fumblefingers who still types about at least ten "Damns!" a minute, although I do get more words done any more! Heh! I am so glad I can now transcribe onto the computer so I can correct things before I send it to the embosser!