I can't remember, are Elu and Melian accounted for? If not then we know now, don't we?
Author's reply
You sort of feel that Elu and Melian must have their own place, don't you? Elu has been gone over two ages - and others have returned more swiftly. And Melian must be waiting for him...
The trouble is, he is such a strong character. I'm not sure I want Celeborn to return to Elu's sidekick. I'm not sure Celeborn wants to return to Elu's young kinsman. I'm sure Galadriel doesn't want to return to learning at Melian's feet.
And yet, they must be somewhere...
Raksha The Demon
· 15 March 2006
· Chapter 7: Meant to Be
Interesting story - you rise well to the considerable challenge of writing a story about life in what is, essentially, Paradise. Good to see that things have changed somewhat in the Blessed Realm since the young, rebellious Artanis left it.
Wonderful description of Orome and his interaction with the Elves!
Author's reply
I enjoy writing in the Blessed Realm - it may be elven Paradise, but I cannot help but feel that, given the strength of character of many of the elves who dwelt there, there will inevitably have been friction. Probably soothed considerably by putting distance between them! The pace of change might have been pretty slow there, but there will have been change - I suppose that's part of trying to work towards paradise.
I'm glad you liked Orome. I was doubtful about that for a bit - but it was sort of suggested to Bordain earlier in the story - and he is the Lord of Forests!
Kitty
· 6 March 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
I look forward to hear more of Bórdain. Interesting character! And Elrond is
right: The separation of the kindreds is not wise. They have to get along
better in the future, if they don¹t want to end up as the humans in our
days!
Loved the way the twins lured their grandfather away from his paperwork. They could be right about this being Finarfins way to hold them back from moving west! Sometimes they prove that they are much more intelligent than most people give them credit for. And the document titles ... *rofl* ... I'd probably doze off if I had to read them. Well, the twins will make sure the steadily stream of paperwork will dry up considerably in a short time, of that I am certain!
Thank you for your explanations in the reply to "Long Memories" - of course I was interested! And after reading it I sat here and could see Taryatur and Oropher breathing fire at each other *snicker*
Author's reply
Bordain has rather taken over here - Goerfer was supposed to be the main addition, but he just turned out to be far less interesting than Bordain!
Elrond is right - but achieving harmony is enough to keep him busy from now until the end of days. Could be a good thing, I suppose. Stops him from brooding! And he is patient and persistent, so he might just get there - with a little help from his friends and relations.
Finarfin spent a long time divided from his daughter - he's had her back about 600 years or so - and Celebrian in the Blessed Realm for a millennium or so - and I suspect he is dragging his feet a bit. Once they cross to the new realms, they will be back to visit - but it's not the same as having them living in the neighbourhood. The twins are intelligent and adult elves - they are quite capable of taking on the roles of their father and grandfather, but, I suspect, they don't see why they should bother when Elrond and Celeborn already fill them so well. And, of course, elves don't get old and retire. It must be frustrating if you are a go-getting up-and-coming young elf - and I think one of the ways the twins have dealt with it is to appear to have had a very protracted adolescence. But it is an act - although I'm sure they will have a way of reducing the paperwork involved! (I suspect Elrohir will read it and then Elladan will dispose of it!)
I can get a bit carried away in replying at times - it helps me work out the reasons why various things are set up as they are, too! I was rereading some old Reflections the other day - and thinking that some things that were originally established more or less as a joke or a throwaway line have become quite important plot points in this world. (And a few things have edged away from the early assumptions, too!)
Thank you, Kitty. I'm glad you are enjoying what happens in this version of the Blessed Realm!
perelleth
· 5 March 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
First, apologies for the delay. Things -and me- have not been much right, so I lagged well behind... ( Never before had I seen my perelleth inbox so full! )
I knew it was only a question of time before you returned to this, after Arwen and all, and I was very glad to see an update. I like the story per se, but, let's be honest, the glimpses of Finrod are a major treat to me!
I am so glad for Celeborn that things are finally clearer for all. He indeed neds engaging into something that satisfies the "doer" and "mover of things" within him. His wondering whether Galadriel would follow was so sweet! After all those years -and their parting!
Yet, I cannot help but feel happy for Finarfin and Olwë's people too. They must have sighed in relief as soon as those powerful, somewhat quarrelsome and "know-it-all", restless relatives from beyond the sea finally decided to move a bit apart... Their life-styles must have clashed at times, even if they are all patient and wise enough not to let show...
‘It is your sister who tried hardest to seal her home away from the outside.’ Ah! Gentle-elf Finrod, refraining from answering the impudent youth that she was only putting to practice what she learned from Thingol!!!! They are wise, this Eldar, aren't they? ;-)
Author's reply
Good to hear from you - I hope things aren't too frantic!
When the Arwen story went into full flow it stopped me thinking about this one - but it's got to find a solution somehow! You like seeing Finrod? I'm just doing something else that features him a bit... It's amazing easy to start these projects, I find!
Celeborn is not one who could sit on a cloud playing the harp. The fear of having to do that is probably one thing that kept him east of the sea for so long. Now he knows he is needed to do the same old job in a new location he is much happier - after all, he has moved around a fair bit, supporting, guiding and defending his people. And he and Galadriel, (I reckon), have a much greater understanding of and tolerance for each other's needs than is often shown. Well - they're grown-ups: they wouldn't make their co-dependence obvious in public!
It must have been a relief to get separate development set up so nicely. There can't have been a wood east of the Pelori that didn't have its contingent of elves from over the sea - and even the elves of Aman must have found niggles escalating into rather stronger reactions. Mind you, Elrond is right that they need to work together and develop understanding - both easier and more difficult at a distance.
I suppose Elrond could try retaliating to a Doriath-reminder by pointing out that Aman is a giant play-pen for elves .... but they wouldn't. Two very calm and reasonable people of great intelligence. And the age-thing - Galadriel has just (in this new project) been complaining about being looked on as an inexperienced elfling by her adar's advisors. It must be impossible to be a grown up among elves - there's always someone who can come up with an embarrassing nursery story. (Except for Bordain, of course.)
Thank you - I'm glad you found time to sit back and take it easy for a few moments anyway.
Redheredh
· 27 February 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
Oh wow, a new chapter! And the story is still WIP! I am *happy*. :D
I just love Bordain. The civilized (domesticated?) beech tree was a fascinating idea. As was Bordain’s assessment of the three kindreds' characteristic desires. I have always felt the Lindar were like highlanders. ;) His relationship with Celeborn is wonderful too – a very interesting interdependency.
C&G’s conversation in the garden was very enlightening in sooo many ways. Lovely inner thoughts about each other and their followers. But, the idea that Tirion was a corrupting influence upon youth made me laugh out loud. I actually like Losgael’s managing ways. Her and Bordain’s walk in the market was very educational and pealed back the top layer of society quite nicely. You reflected on the situation of our modern abundance very clearly. I liked how you held on to the theme of the journey being important, but still having a beneficial end as well. We can choose what we will do with knowledge.
That was a welcome discussion between Finrod and Elrond. Unity is important. However, as it is they will be lucky to get - as they say – suspension of distrust. A harmonious future needs more focus than what even Elrond can provide, it seems. Ha! It is your sister who tried hardest to seal her home away from the outside. Thank you for saying that! Anyway, the future is in good hands and minds, thank goodness. And I suppose, slow is to be expected when you are moving a host of any sort.
And that was a really enjoyable conversation with Galadriel and Celebrian, too. ;) Like all your dialogs, so illustrative of family and feelings within straightforward events. I love the settings you choose! One almost feels a part of the conversation rather than simply being an observer.
The section with Celeborn and his grandsons was very entertaining! E2 does their thing as only they can! The report titles were humorous in themselves for being so close to the real thing. Accomplishing their goal to end the paperwork is just the sort of warm-up challenge the guys need before heading off west themselves.
The last scene was absolutely lovely. And loving. A very sweet ending for this chapter.
But, what is even better is that we can anticipate at least one more chapter!
Author's reply
Thank you! I got on a roll with the Arwen story and this one just decided to bog down for a while ... but I do enjoy writing Galadriel and Celeborn and it doesn't want to end quite yet. I think I know when it will - but every now and then they sort of jump up and surprise me. Bordain is a prime example of a character who comes out of nowhere - he really was never intended to become quite the elf he is.
And I just love the complex layers of society stuff that you do so well - there have to have been elves doing all the kind of everyday tasks that are essential to keep society running, but all we ever see, really, is the upper echelons. Then - Blessed Realm, millennia of powerful elves all communing with nature - the world around them must have become more aware than you would expect. Could have been quite shattering for those arriving from over the sea. Shadowlands stuff.
As far as corrupting the young goes - what did all the youngsters do? Some of them will have been moral and motivated, of course - but there must have been quite a few sons of the comfortably off and powerful who were searching for a meaningful existence - and Pelthaes had dropped into that world from a very isolated and subsistence kind of life in the woods. I think he would either hate it or dive into it.
Elrond is right. (He insisted on making the point.) And they do need to work on understanding - or they will be worse off than they are now. It will not, however, be easy - and it is a very very long-term project.
But long-term isn't so good when there are elflings around - I can't help but feel that slowing down and waiting a century or so is worth it if it means you will be around for your grandkids.
The twins try to keep it quiet - but they are fully competent and powerful elf lords. I wonder if Galadriel put them up to shoving Daeradar out of the door? Or perhaps Celebrian. And I think they have retained a certain lack of respect for stacks of paperwork! I think that the twins and their parents / grandparents will be sort of alternating periods east of the mountains - serving as ambassadors for their realms. They would probably rather not, but they know it will be necessary.
At least one more chapter I think. I'm glad you're still enjoying it enough to be pleased!
Ellie
· 26 February 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
Loved the old trees and their awareness. Loved the different perspectives on the city and the way everyone was coping with the impending settlement of the wilds. I'm happy for Celeborn and his new sense of purpose. Loved the twins coming in and taking over and sending Celeborn off. Nice last night for Celeborn and Galadriel, too.
Well done. Love your writing.
Author's reply
Millennia of elves communing with you must do something to a tree. I'm surprised they haven't uprooted themselves and started walking around to discuss arboreal philosophy, really - I can just see them turning into Ents.
Cities are all very well - and some of the Noldor wouldn't be very good existing elsewhere - but it isn't the right place for Celeborn. He copes, because he is working for the greater good - and he knows it won't be for ever - but I'm glad the twins packed him off to the wilds. I'm glad Celeborn and Galadriel realised they needed to spend some quality time on their own, too!
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
elliska
· 26 February 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
Oh I am just as happy as a clam to come home and find this to read!
I think what struck me most in this was all the different points of view of the various cultures of Elves. I've been thinking about their differences myself quite a bit recently and I think you really covered a lot of the angles here--and I thought it was fascinating.
From this: ‘Finwë’s people have always wished for knowledge – just as Ingwë’s have craved understanding.’ ‘And what have Elwë’s people sought?’ Celeborn asked. ‘Freedom.’ The response was immediate. which I though summed it up very neatly, to all the other angles you show in the various conversations here (especially the scene in the marketplace), it was really a great exploration.
And this: ‘Yet separation of the kindreds is not wise, Finrod. It reinforces the fears and prejudices each hold – better to learn to live together as elves with a single purpose than to use a mountain range to erect barriers between us. I can so see Elrond saying that and it is so true. We seem to be hitting on the same themes a lot recently, because similar type conversations will come up in the next chapters of both my stories (if I ever get around to finishing the editing of them).
And you really get into the individual characters too--from Celeborn and Galdriel's discussion of whether she was willing to follow him to Celebrian and Galadriel and mothering/grandmothering/and mischief making to the tomes Celeborn was reading (again, I can so see him with those).
This was great, Bodkin. Glad to see it's back. :-)
Author's reply
The more you think about elves, the more complicated they and their society gets! I'm not at all surprised we tend to have the same thoughts - it must be one of the reasons we all enjoy each other's stories. I mean, I can read horrible Thranduil or pranking twins, just about, but the stories I really like deal with bigger themes - like love and sacrifice and duty, combined with real life anxieties like providing for your people in hard times and defending them against danger. And, every now and then, I get this big - not all elves were lords and princes feeling, when I long to know more about the people who provided the food and all the unromantic elements of real life. Who managed the drainage in Tirion, for example? What did they do with the products?
And then Elrond just insisted on diving into that conversation - and even as it was flowing, I was thinking that he was right!
But I'm glad the twins packed up the paperwork and sent Celeborn off to seek his home.
Thank you, elliska. I'm glad it's back, too. It ground to a halt when Arwen was in full flow, and then it was hard to find its direction, but fingers crossed it will now move towards its own end.
Rivergirl
· 26 February 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
This story is still as wonderful as ever. And I really like Bordain. So simple yet so deep and mysterious. I hadn't stopped to consider the potential for isolation and further misunderstanding if the Arda-elves all moved over the mountains and ceased most contact with the Noldor and Vanyar.
So, I'm still enjoying this greatly. I get to satisfy my desire to drool and melt over Celeborn *and* you're making me think. :-)
Author's reply
Thank you! And Bordain is one of these characters who just insisted on making himself felt - he wasn't supposed to become deep and mysterious and noticeable! Even though Aman is supposed to be a place of peace and harmony, I cannot imagine elves settling down to lives of complete tranquillity - some of them are definitely too strong-minded. And, although it often seems a good idea to separate potential opponents, you seem to find that it just reinforces all their prejudices. Elrond has a big job on his hands, though, if he intends to try to spread understanding!
I am glad you are enjoying it - and Celeborn is very droolworthy!
daw the minstrel
· 26 February 2006
· Chapter 6: Gathering
I love the idea of the twins taking over the paperwork. Of course, they ruled Imladris for years after Elrond left. (That's right, isn't it? Or did Celeborn do that?) But they don't seem particularly reverent about bureaucracy. More power to them.
Author's reply
I think Celeborn turned up, didn't he? And probably took over. But I think the twins are far more efficient at the dull stuff involved in administration than they want anyone to know! And they work as a team - with Elrohir doing the detail and Elladan working on the big picture. And managing the side-tracking.
With half their forces moving west, I reckon the twins will have ended up having to take on more overt responsibility. Still. They're big ellyn now. They'll cope!
elliska
· 15 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
Sorry to be so long in reviewing. I really enjoyed this. I especially liked Finrod, actually and the elves watching him. I liked their thoughts on him and the elves like him and their history. And I liked Losgael and Goerfér's thoughts on whether Celeborn and Galadriel are a good thing or not--you do a really good job exploring all the aspects of how these elves would react and I think that is fascinating. And I really like Bórdain--he has a lot of depth implied in his character. I love these elves in the forests of Aman--no wonder so many of the elves from middle earth were anxious to move there. :-)
This was my favorite line, I think: Perhaps she had learned to accept that she had her limits. He enjoyed the thought for a moment before dismissing it. Not his little sister. Great!
I really enjoy this story. :-)
Author's reply
Finrod is rather a delightful elf! And I tend to see him as more adventurous and open to other people and ways of life than most Noldor. Although, as a big brother, he has his own understanding of the Lady of the Golden Wood.
Goerfer and Losgael have been living this life in the woods for centuries - I'm not sure I would be terribly happy to have Celeborn and Galadriel turn up and take control - even if they are the best candidates for the job.
Bordain has grown enormously since he first stepped out from the shadows to admire Galadriel's horse - I think he is fast becoming one of my favourite characters, partly because he doesn't realise his own power.
I think if the elves from middle earth had realised that they would end up with the freedom of untouched forests, more of the Silvan would have been happy to sail - and those who did will be very much at home there.
Thank you. I'm glad you like it.
Dreamflower
· 9 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
I was right! This *is* very interesting, very interesting indeed, and I am enjoying myself with it very much, in spite of no hobbitses and no Legolas. Who would have thought Celeborn and Galadriel could be such a sweet couple? I mean, they look pretty together, and they are wise and powerful, and all of those things, but you also make them very sweet. I like that.
And I'm very intrigued with Bordain. I don't think I've ever read anything about the "first" Elves, who awoke in the twilight...
Author's reply
Thank you. I do like Celeborn and Galadriel. And I like to have them liking each other! Celeborn has to have been a pretty strong sort of chap to cope with Galadriel - and she has to have respected him as well as been . . . emotionally involved with him. They've been together a very, very long time!
Bordain's role just grew. He wasn't originally going to be more than a passing character, but he clearly has layers - and I'm not sure he realises himself just how deep they are.
I'm glad that you are enjoying this despite the absence of hobbitses. And no Legolas. It's probably only going to have one more chapter, although I can see various possible tales growing from it. Maybe.
Dreamflower
· 9 November 2005
· Chapter 1: Ripe for Change
Hmm...no hobbitses.
No Legolas...
But I think I'm liking it anyway...
Author's reply
Sorry. It's a bit hard to put hobbitses in the Blessed Realm! (Well, by this point.) And Legolas is too busy looking after Thranduil to play today.
But I'm glad you're liking it anyway.
Kitty
· 6 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
This is more or less the prequel to ‚Far Horizons’, isn’t it? (Another fic I love very much!) I do now much better understand why they wanted to go west.
Finrod’s musings about his little sister are quite amusing. He is obviously under no illusions about his sister, although I suppose he doesn’t give her enough credit in this. Well, older brothers tend to think they know everything (and everything better). And of course he has to make some gibes to his brother-in-law! Males!!
I love the way Celeborn and Galadriel treat each other, the understanding and gentle teasing and how they see the needs of these shy elves and want to help – and not only because they themselves need something to do to feel useful. And I love Bórdain – he is as fond of horses as I am!
The last part with Elrohir and his parents was very touching. I am so very glad the twins are reunited with Elrond and particularly Celebrían and have now the chance to heal. And their parents do understand them.
Author's reply
Yes, it is a sort of prequel to Far Horizons. Sort of. And a sort of follow on from the single chapter Celeborn-arrives stories.
Finrod is a typical big brother! Their teasing is often meant well, but rather heavy-handed. On the other hand, he would goad his sister himself, but woe betide anyone else who tried. (Even Celeborn isn't entirely safe from brotherly protection.)
I do love C&G - they are real partners. And they have absorbed the real responsibilities of their position - to work for the benefit of those who look to them for leadership.
Bordain started as totally incidental in the story, and has taken on so much life. I think he has become one of my favourite characters. He combines a kind of shy innocence with an almost unnoticed power - and, of course, a fascination for horses.
Elrohir and Elladan, like their grandfather, are very worn - but he needs to find a bond with the land and a task that absorbs him. They, I think, need people more. It doesn't take them too many years to find the very people - Miriwen is actually nearby here, and all Elladan needs is to be whole enough to see her. I don't know when Elrohir met Sirithiel. Perhaps Celebrian had something to do with that! And then, of course, as their parents' sons and their grandparents' grandsons, they will have their own role in establishing the new realms - and work helps. But I'm glad I know they will be all right.
Thank you for reading. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
perelleth
· 6 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
Where to begin?
I fear I only have one word. Finrod. great Bodkin I loved each and every line. To my eye you've managed to capture him perfectly, and I agree that he swould be every inch the joyous, blessed, almost hallowed elf you picture here after his ordeal. He's perfectly renderd at least as i love to think of him. Great!
No wonder that Bordain and his fellows are so attracted to him!
And I laughed at his warning about Galadriel being trouble!
YEt I'm amazed. How many stories do you have going on at the moment? I dear I have lost track! But then, we're so fortunate that you kindly share your free time with us, thanks!
Author's reply
I'm glad you like Finrod! In some ways he seems to me a most un-Noldor-like Noldor - more open to the world round him and with a curiosity more stirred by people than by things.
Although, of course, he remains a big brother! Fond as he is of Galadriel, her adult persona is still overlaid in his mind by the image of the trouble-making, demanding, petulant, little sister, who drove him mad as she was growing up.
Not that many stories! Only this and the Arwen one are stories that need to flow from chapter to chapter. Reflections and Elflings are really single chapters that are consecutive in time, which means they don't need the same level of co-ordination.
Redheredh
· 5 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
I'm glad you got back to this story. ;) Gosh, but you tied up all the threads. Each strand was very enjoyable too.
Finrod's journey was very amusing. I do so like your forest elves and a reminder about their reticence not being entirely natural but also influenced by those they consider trust-worthy. And I loudly applaud the idea that the reborn have been purified in some discernable sense.
The little segments with Bordain were wonderful. He is one of my real favorites from your OCs. Beautiful exposition of his unsophistcated personality but sophisticated mind. You bring the forest alive with all these characters' so intimate interactions and with such emotional reality. Sheer poetry in places.
Losgael and Georfer shine bright here as people, more than just personalities. L&G are a simplified illustrative example for what works with C&G, I think. The idea that a whole troupe of followers will go back to Tirion is marvelous. I can just imagine the interesting encounters and lovely high-jinks that will result!
The notion that given the opportunity people will claim a stake in their future is pleasing beyond words. Like these elves, our society seems to once again be relearning this notion. But as always, there has to be a rally point capable of fortifying the goal or it will dissipate as will the forest for these elves. Like Bordain says, Sometimes the trouble is worth it.
Finrod noticing the depletion of the land was fascinating. Goodness, if he can see it, it must be bad. Especially if the predators have left for better territory. I liked his and your comparisons made between Lindar and Noldor.
I laughed out loud at Finrod's musings over 'his little sister'. And his conclusions. Most of which, but not all, I agreed with. ;)
Celeborn and Galadriel's discussion of their future plans was great. But, then all your conversations are great writing - just like your descriptions. Celeborn's generous intentions and Galadriel working on a way to see that happen was a nice aspect of what you would expect from their partnership. And of course, Galadriel long expecting her brother and Celeborn making sure he would get there safely and on time.
Finrod and Bordain's meeting was fittingly subdued and humourous. I really like Bordain deciding to do as Celeborn asked and pointing that out.
It was nice getting a glimpse of E2 and their parents to put other issues into perspective. Seeing as Celebrian did not get much of chance to match-make in Ennor, why not here. ;)
I liked seeing Galadriel continue to stand by her man as always. However, that line You came by your agggravating ways legitimately, then was the best. Their comments on Finarfin were a nice addition to what was already a multitude of great remarks.
Ah, but the last lines seem to indicate that this story is completed. History moves on to "Far Horizons" now, I take it. Well, if this is the end, great story all round. As are all your works. I hope we see more of these characters again soon in another tale. However, some of Bordain's adventures in Tiron would round out this story very nicely.
Hmmm, Megleredh...that can be translated a couple of ways... depending whether or not you find horses sometimes worth the effort... ;)
Author's reply
I do feel that, as Noldor exiles go, Finrod was probably one of the most open and interested in new experiences. And one who didn't feel that non-Noldor equalled inferior. And so I tend to think he would empathise with the people and the forest rather more than most. And he does share the experience of Namo's Halls and being rehoused with most of those living there - which increases what they have in common.
Bordain has definitely put his stamp on this. For such a self-effacing elf, he has a noticeable presence! And Celeborn has noticed! He knows that he does not command him - but that Bordain will co-operate if he feels that it is what he wants to do. And I think he would be interested in Finrod, too. Goerfer was supposed, originally, to be the main introduction here - but somehow he proved dependent on his wife, and then Bordain just looked out from the shadows and took over. I like the idea of the three of them joining C&G - and wonder just what complications might ensue! I can imagine Goerfer causing a few kerfuffles.
Celeborn and Galadriel make a good pairing - and they are used enough to each other's ways to be able to take up whatever slack the other leaves. And if they've both made up their minds, then even Finarfin might have a job stopping them. Celeborn is certainly no longer at a loose end - which is enough to satisfy Galadriel.
The twins, too, need a purpose to help them settle - and people are, I think, important to them. I don't know how much work Celebrian had to do to match-make. I think Glorfindel might have given her a nudge in the right direction over Miriwen, but I've never really worked out where Elrohir and Sirithiel met.
It is more or less over, I think. But there will probably be one more chapter - since I've already started it. A bit more epilogue-like perhaps.
And I can't remember what I thought Megleredh meant. What have I called the poor horse? Not that he'll care! He's a horse.
Elena Tiriel
· 5 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
I'm really enjoying this story, Bodkin!
- Barbara
Author's reply
Thank you. This one has been resting on the sidelines a bit - largely, I think, because nothing much is happening! But it's probably nearly done. There is one chapter that's got about a page and hopefully rounds it off. And then, any more adventures from this time might well fit better in stories of their own.
Jay of Lasgalen
· 5 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
Good to see an update of this. The scene with Elrond, Celebrían and the twins was sad - E2 are so diminished and weary here. They need healing - and I like Celebrían's ploy of matchmaking to take their minds off things!
Jay
Author's reply
Thank you! This is a big step back to E2 as they were when they first arrived - and I find that, having seen them through to happier days, their sheer lack of vitality is actually painful here! I'm glad I'm not their mother - I'm not at all surprised that Celebrian is worried. (Elrond, of course, has seen them survive worse.)
I don't think it's very long before they start taking interest - and I have my suspicions that Thranduil sent Legolas to bring them out of themselves so his son would stop looking anxiously at him! And Miriwen is there, of course. All Elladan needs to do is start looking.
daw the minstrel
· 5 November 2005
· Chapter 5: Plans
Bodkin, you and Rose Sared do description better than anyone else I read. I'm so jealous every time I read things like this. You manage to give a real feel for the forest and the natural world in general.
Celeborn the Wise is gradually coming into his own, taking the time to learn what he wants and what he needs to know and do in order to get it. Fortunately what he wants it so be of use.
Author's reply
Thank you. I'm glad you like the forest.
Celeborn is settling and knows now what he must do - and that will, in and of itself, make him feel better. Of course, the process will doubtless take years. What incentive do elves have to rush? (And besides, as I recall E2L have to meet, court and marry their wives and produce offspring before the explorations start in all seriousness.)
daw the minstrel
· 9 August 2005
· Chapter 4: Reasons
I just got back from visiting Karenator and found this update, Bodkin. It sounds as if Celeborn is going to have his hands full. I liked the glimpses of Celebrian. That made me laugh.
Author's reply
I hope you had a good time!
Celeborn is married to Galadriel. He is used to having his hands full! No-one is better trained in managing impossible tasks and complicated people.
Lovely Celebrian. Glad she amused you.
Welcome back.
perelleth
· 9 August 2005
· Chapter 4: Reasons
Sorry I'm so late in r&r! I've just moved quite a distance, and settling down is proving a bit more difficult than expected, so now I'm soooooo short of spare time and of computer access and... truly I'm at the other end from Celeborn or Finrod in this Chapter! :-)
I liked how you pictured the need of purpose for all of them. It was more poignant in the case of the twins, but Celeborn's restless ness is endearing. I like it how he simply let things come to pass, he's not hurrying the process but learning, listening, enjoying a glorious sunset and letting the soultion simply appear before his eyes. IT fits very well with how I picture him!
And loved Bórdain and his longing. IT moved me.
IT was fun to follow Elrond and Amarié's broadcasting Celebríana dn Finrod's discussion, adn Elrond recalling all the steps Galadriel had carefully trod before leaving... HA, it made me laugh how resigned they all are to the fact tht she is the most dangerous hazard looming out there! LOL!
Author's reply
Being short of time and computer access is not good. It's the down side to being away as well - I took the computer, but missed the link to the wider world.
Celeborn and Finrod - you could describe them as retired. Senior citizens. Wouldn't they just hate having to sit back and do nothing but watch the surf! Perhaps the Valar need to organise retraining programmes for superannuated elves.
They all need to feel needed - the twins have got it bad at the moment, because they were more worn even than Celeborn, but once they start to take an interest, I think they will recover more quickly. Celeborn feels guilty for leaving - and I think that is holding him back from making a link with this new world. But the need of others will draw him in.
I like Bordain. He is very old and in some ways very simple. But wise.
Galadriel hates to be caught out by anything. You can't appear all-wise and all-knowing if you let things jump out at you. (Mind you, she was right - Celebrian couldn't just leave C and G to work through their problems on their own.) She is dangerous - but through love. With her family, at least.
Good to hear from you. Hope your new place is good and starts to feel like home soon.
Kathy_SFF
· 7 August 2005
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I really love this story. I especially enjoy how you write the relationship between Galandriel and Celebron. They seem an old married couple who love each other very much, but also know the other's faults and needs. The idea that Celeborn finds himself not "enjoying" the undying lands and feels he "needs" more adds to an already well written story. I look forward to your next chapter.
Author's reply
I do like the relationship between Galadriel and Celeborn - I think that, to be together after so many centuries, there must be a bond so deep that it recognises each other's weaknesses and strengths and works with them. And they have just been reunited after a long time apart, so that their passion for each other is renewed.
Celeborn, I think, needs to have a purpose - he doesn't want to sit back and admire the stars; he is an elf who has always worked for the benefit of his people - and their need will settle him more certainly than any self-interest.
Thank you for reading - there will be more to come, although they will not find their new home in this tale.
Bejai
· 7 August 2005
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Loved this chapter! A few things that caught my attention:
-- the description of the sunrise first thing in the chapter. I read it two or three time, just in awe of the glory of the prose there.
-- Celeborn, coming to life at last as he sees a mission before him. This is what he needed! Maybe it will help his grandsons too. That seemed to be a reoccuring theme in this chapter for Celeborn, E2, Finrod: the need to be needed. Couldn't agree more.
-- Celeborn and Galadriel, enjoying one another's company. I simple adore how you write them. Passionate, teasing, with the richness that only years of faithfulness could bring. Wonderful.
-- the discussion about trade and manufacture of goods and the like. So real, so true, even in paradise. Loved that touch. Also the discussion about the forest becoming overburdened. It all rings so true! I love that you have realistic, real life-concerns in this story.
"-- ‘His wife will be grateful,’ Celeborn said dryly, ‘to know that you are marginally less dangerous than Morgoth.’" Bwah! Little gems like that make me laugh out loud.
-- Bórdain and the horses. Wonderful! I'm really enjoying Bordain, with his insight and clarity.
It is all just so good! I could mention every time, every nuance of this chapter. Suffice it to say, I enjoyed it very much, and always look forward to updates.
Author's reply
I'm glad you liked the sunrise. I have to rein myself in on descriptive bits at times - I'm happy this worked for you.
Yes, Celeborn isn't one to sit back by the pool and enjoy paradise. He wants to be active and purposeful. I think that's the thing about being a good lord - they need to serve as the other face to receiving all that respect. Celeborn would hate to be all celebrity and no substance.
I love the depth of passion and understanding between C and G - and I reckon it must be there for them to have remained at each other's side through all the troubles they have faced.
As soon as you start thinking about paradise, you start to wonder about sewage. Well, I do. And providing enough food. And how undying the Undying Lands must be if people still have to eat. And wear shoes.
I like Bordain. He is a very straightforward elf - but very old and with his own wisdom. Unlike Goerfer, who would like to be an elf of authority.
I am so glad you like it. I have a big smile on my face. More to come.
elliska
· 7 August 2005
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Hi Bodkin! :-) There are a lot of things that I like about this chapter, but coincidentally, I just spent the weekend at a conference discussing increasing population, over-development and shrinking resources, so this line really caught my attention: ‘It is putting more of a strain on the ability of the forest to give – and the forest creatures are withdrawing from us in their need to protect themselves. It used to be that we could wander whichever paths took us for weeks without seeing any others among the trees, but now the wood is full of voices. If nothing is done, we will soon be driven to seek other homes. The balance is upset.’ A constant problem, even in Aman.
But back to the beginning--G and C's discussion of the forest and the elves' needs was well done. I especially like their speculation about who would be sent after them and their playful 'fight.' Especially after I read this later: ‘Galadriel asked me to hold Celebrían off for a month – two, if possible,’ Elrond confessed. ‘She was perfectly well aware that – despite the distraction of our sons – her daughter would be too anxious to let her adar be for too long. And she suggested Finrod as the best candidate to follow them... Galadriel is too much! :-)
And the poor twins--so soon after they have returned, like C, they are not entirely healed yet. Your prose is so poetic that the description of their emotions really comes to life.
But, especially in the mood I'm in after my conference this weekend, I loved Celeborn's discussion with Bordain about leading them to a 'home.'
Somehow this chapter seemed sad to me...probably more sad than you intended it. Very powerful. I like it. Glad you're back.
Author's reply
The population in the BR must be increasing - especially if Namo decides to release more from his Halls. And I can see the Valar just not realising the impact - they need someone to point out to them that more people need more space if they are not to impact adversely on the environment.
Galadriel can't help but be devious at times - it just comes naturally to her. But Celeborn can see right through her - I think she finds it a relief, really, to be with someone who can be amused by her and is not afraid to play dirty with her, too.
Poor twins. They are very worn - but they will bounce back. As soon as they stop feeling guilty for being safe. And they, too, need a task to anchor them - until they find lurve, anyway.
I like to think of Celeborn practically organising the exodus. He would be good at it.
I'm glad to be back, too. Away is good, but I missed this.
Redheredh
· 6 August 2005
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Gads, I enjoyed this chapter. I loved seeing the future unfolding from these many different viewpoints all revolving around the theme of belonging and home.
I have always adored your clever conversation and patter. Also your talent for description.
Bordain has taken on a wider representative role it seems. The very thing Finrod occassional seeks in himself and Galadriel admires is something Celeborn would protect from 'manicured perfection'. I am remined of putting endangered species in zoos to 'educate' the public to their beauty and the need for the proper habitat.
"so irresistible it was unfair" Hah! They all are charmers in my book.
Hmm, Finrod may not be prepared for the kind of trouble that could find him in this neighborhood. Hope some of his Sindarin subjects that think well of him live here.
Logael sounds rather superstitious and ridiculously impatient at the moment. Is she just becoming too anxious for a solution to be practical?
"This is not the moment to recall my cires of frustration" ROFLAO!
Talking... talking... talking... ;) Great chapter!
Author's reply
Thank you - I do too much conversation, but I just enjoy doing it! It must be really hard to be exiled to a 'heavenly' place, where you just don't feel you belong - finding their own place will make a difference to all these elves. Including the twins! (Although they need lurve, too!)
Bordain is a very simple person - but in some ways they can be the most insightful, and he has been around since the very beginning. He doesn't want much, and he's unlikely to involve himself in politics, but he knows what he needs.
The desire to find perfection and then change it to preserve it so it is even better - a very common desire that frequently backfires by not recognising environments as living and changing things. Even determined non-interference is interference in an inverted way. But the shine the Noldor like to add - no, that is something the new exiles will avoid.
They are all charmers - and Finrod is among the most charming. I don't think he will have too much trouble with the Sindar or the Silvan - they might be bemused by him, but they will be charmed. And even Galadriel is quietly resigned to his appearance!
Losgael is being worn down, I think. Her daughter has headed west, her son is likely to follow suit soon, Goerfer has a hankering for power - but not for responsibility - and the neighbourhood is going downhill. And Celeborn and Galadriel have turned up - but who knows how long they will stay or whether they can be persuaded to use their clout.
'What have I done to deserve you?' It can be taken so many ways!
Jay of Lasgalen
· 6 August 2005
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It's easy - too easy - to think of the Blessed Realm as paradise or heaven, and that 'they all lived happily ever after'. Yet they all had so many bitter memories, so much loss to bear, and to suddenly be in a place where others had no understanding of that must be more than difficult. And as beautiful as Valinor must be, it wasn't home. No wonder Celeborn goes off into the trees and forests, and they eventually find their 'New Horizons'.
Celebrían is right to be worried - her description of E&E is desperately sad and lonely: '‘Hunched in middle of a black cloud of their own making and refusing to let the sun in.’ It's heartbreaking. Clearly their wives and children are a long way away yet.
Jay
Author's reply
Happy ever after just isn't a possibility, really - it smacks of stagnation, and I really can't imagine intelligent curious elves being able to tolerate fluffy clouds and harps. Or people like Elrond and Thranduil and E2L just throwing up their hands and going around with dippy smiles on their faces. Not unless chemically induced. And I don't think the Valar would go for doping the water. Valinor can be home to them, I think. But only in the way that Arda was home to Galadriel - they will always hanker after their vision of the lands of their birth. And not the Valinor of the Aman-born. They need to build their own havens.
I don't know that the wives and children are that far off. But any relationships they got into at the moment wouldn't be too healthy. (Except Legolas. I think he has his eye on Elerrina. But then he's already been there for several hundred years.) Elrond is right to see Celebrian as the best person to get through to the twins at the moment. They are empty and they need comfort - and to let the song in.