French Pony
· 23 March 2005
· Chapter 8: Chapter Eight: Aldamir
First off, just so I have things straight: Thranduil and Lalaith have three sons, Aldamir, Erelas and Legolas, right? And Lalaith's late brother Tarondor was the father of Seregon and Daeron? Have I got everybody?
Ol' Aldamir is not having a very good day today, is he? It looks like he's learning the lesson our fencing coach taught last week: Your opponent moves. You can't always control it. You can only deal with it. It's a tough lesson to learn, even when the worst you can get out of it is a bruise. And Aldamir. . . well, one opponent moved and Legolas got spiderbit, and another opponent moved, and Elenna turns up engaged.
I do suspect that there's more to this betrothal than meets either the eye or the wounded ego. Elenna doesn't seem real thrilled about Calith, and she was an equal participant in the kissy-facing. In fact, the only person who seems to approve of this betrothal is Calith. And if Tree wasn't certain about it. . . we have not yet approached the bottom of this story.
What Aldamir probably needs right now is some TLC. But Naneth is too busy with Legolas, Adar is trying to be King in a tough spot, and Aldamir just keeps pushing away anyone else who tries to comfort him by pulling rank on them. Maybe soon he can find an hour or so to run off deep into the forest where no one can find him and have a good cry. He needs it.
And poor old Daeron! Though his worst nightmare didn't come true (he seems to be physically fine), his second worst nightmare happened, as he watched his cousin and best friend collapse from spiderbite. This isn't going to improve his fear of spiders any. Maybe he should go and have that cry with Aldamir. It'd do them both good.
Author's reply
Yep, you've got the family tree down pat.
Aldamir is eaten up with guilt about Legolas (all the novices, for that matter) and heartbroken about Elenna. I agree that this has been a bad day. He is the sort of person who figures the buck stops with him. When things get out of his control, he doesn't quite know how to handle it internally. But like Thranduil reminded him, he's young in age and young in his duty. Accepting that bad things happen probably will never get any easier, but hopefully, he won't blame himself so much when they do.
Good observation about Elenna's willingness to get 'involved' with Aldamir. Calith is one happy little camper at the moment. And possibly the only one. Tree knows a lot about the villagers and if I were Aldamir, I'd listen to him.
Not only is everyone too busy to comfort Aldamir, he's so hardheaded that he doesn't want anyone to. That's not to mention that he's absolutely humiliated. He gave his heart and nearly his body to this girl, only to find out that he's been deceived. Heap the spider incident on top of that and it's a wonder he hasn't just gone to the lowest levels of the stronghold and hidden.
Daeron managed to survive the attack, but you're right that he was just blown away that Legolas was bitten. He feels sicker than he did when he ate too much aewbas. He might just join Aldamir in the cellar. First, he'd have to make sure there were no spiders there.
Thanks for the review. I appreciate you taking the time. It's always a pleasure to hear from you.
Karen
Sorry it took so long to get to your chapter, Karenator ... but whoa, Belas certainly chose the wrong person to pick on. I can't see Legolas sitting on his hands for anyone attacking his brothers' characters. And poor Alar, he definitely needs a bit of practice in the art of comeback ... he reminds me a lot of me. I always think of things I 'should have said' about three hours later.
And LOL about the reasoning behind Belas' behaviour -- that's almost exactly the same reasoning I use for Titheniel. Why is it we mothers are always to blame? What are we doing to our reputations?! Ah, well.
And so they are in a sticky situation ... let's hope that the masters hear and come to help them out.
Author's reply
Goodness, please don't apologize; you've had your hands full..or is it a sink full? Hope that's worked out!
Legolas was doing pretty well until Belas attacked his family. That sent him over the edge. And yes, poor Alar was not cut out to be the King of Comeback. I laughed when I read what you said about thinking of the things you should have said three hours later. Me, too! That's why I love to write Daeron. I have all the time in the world to construct my condescending discourse. If only real life provided those of us with slow wit the time to think up what to say!
Yeah, I feel a little guilty about pointing the finger of blame at the slug's mother. I really did sort of base her on several mothers I know. Honestly, their kids are nothing like Belas, but I could see how their style of parenting could result in a rotten kid. But no matter what kind of parenting the nasty little worm had, he is still responsible for his behavior. There's probably much more to Belas's story, but all I was trying to do was to get into the novices' heads and let them try to rationalize it. They're trying to protect their own peace of mind by trying to understand that Belas's behavior is about him and not them. However, the bottom line is that Belas is a mouthy jerk!
The situation doesn't look good, does it? It sure would help if these four had some assistance in fighting what looks like it's going to be the worst possible enemy Daeron could imagine. The other three novices aren't thrilled either.
Thanks for taking the time to review. You've been busy!
Karen
French Pony
· 20 March 2005
· Chapter 7: Chapter Seven: Daeron
The masters keep putting Belas and Alar in the same group. This smacks of grownups trying to Teach The Brats A Lesson by making them depend on each other. It is a classic, well-beloved grownup strategy for dealing with recalcitrant teenagers. It has not worked since first Eru Iluvatar drew breath for song. Yet grownups continue to do it, thinking that this time, it will work, and the teenagers involved will suddenly see the light and become buddies. Why is that, I wonder? Is it part of the hormone change that comes with becoming a parent?
What usually happens, of course, is a fight. Just like happened here. And there's another thing. You'd think the masters would have been keeping an ear on the kids and would have heard Belas and his sedition. Are they chalking this up to something Daeron just needs to learn to deal with? But Daeron doesn't have enough authority to deal with it, and both he and Belas know it.
Seems like the masters are in fact doing just what Belas's naneth does. They're making excuses for him and spoiling him rotten. And he's going to turn out to be a poor, undependable warrior who gets people killed because of it. I wonder what it is about him that makes people want to make excuses for him. There's got to be some residual skill or personal charisma there. For my money, the masters are really falling down on the job here.
But now they've encountered the spiders! Boy oh boy oh boy! Daeron gets to face his big fear. Alar and Belas and Legolas will have to fight together instead of fighting each other, and fifty cyber-bucks says that Alar will save the day. And Belas won't give a rat's patootie.
Author's reply
Yep, the masters meant to place these four into the same group. The purpose of the games is to give the oldest novices as near a prolonged patrol campaign experience as possible. The masters give the novices less guidance and more freedom than normal and expect the novices to behave and perform as warriors. Well, of course, that's not going to happen. And the masters know that. They let the little whelps step in deep do. They allow the novices to experience consequences in a controlled environment. Or what should have been a controlled, spiderless environment. Once the games are over, the masters then 'deal' with infractions. Unless a novice is a threat to himself or to others, they let it run its course to see how the other novices will handle it...and hold them responsible for how they handled it. The novices have been taught to use proper channels, calm reason, etc. This is not a foreign concept; it's just not one that most youngsters quite grasp. A dry run of real life. Dealing with personality conflicts, duty and such.
The sedition part was not normally one of Belas's problems. His mouth got the best of him here. Legolas backed him in a corner and when Belas couldn't rattle Legolas by telling him that he's inept, Belas went for the jugular. Family. Belas will get an opportunity to find out just how much the masters 'coddle' novices. He's been on thin ice for a long time (the other novices don't know this, but suspect it) and this will not make anyone in authority happy. And the whole altercation was observed. We'll see that in the next chapter. Unfortunately, the master in the trees did not have time to intervene, and he would have when it became violent; they suddenly had bigger problems.
Which brings me to spiders. The novices will get an unexpected chance to 'work together' or perish. Poor Daeron. He'd rather fight an army of orcs than a spider. Perhaps everyone will have a new attitude when this is over. But no matter how you cut it, Belas is a jerk.
Thanks for the review. I love hearing from you!
Karen
Sounds like the novices are enjoying these games no end ;-) At least the masters are probably getting a kick out of it all. Poor Daeron. Tracking is obviously not his forte. I’m still laughing at him trying to sweet-talk the tree into helping them out.
Belas is as endearing as ever. Tiredness and frustration seem to be taking their toll and making him more malicious than ever. I thought Nouren’s insight into him was interesting. His naneth definitely sounds like she could use some sense but I’d be inclined to think there’s more to it than that. A disinterested father and overly indulgent mother might result in a spoilt child but not necessarily one with such an attitude problem as that. Then again, Nouren’s naneth could be right. It’s certainly good of this lot to listen to him and accept that Belas’ problems aren’t all his fault. It may not have lasted long, but at least they were willing to be sympathetic for a moment…
I’m very interested in the reaction of the masters too. It’s odd that they apparently haven’t done much more than possibly talk to Belas. I’m intrigued. And I love how perceptive Daeron is – he realises that they know everything, that Alar is probably getting the recognition he deserves and that the best thing they can do is let Belas land himself in trouble rather than anyone actually complaining about him. He’s clever, that Daeron.
“You must learn the art of verbal warfare.” Ah, Daeron’s speciality!! His little lesson was hilarious. Well,” I said thoughtfully, “that will certainly frighten him, but not in the way I had in mind.” ROTFL!! Well… it might be one way of making sure Belas backs off!
The battle between Melda and Celelion had me totally enthralled! It must have been amazing to witness. I love the way Melda seems so pleased at the novices’ appreciation of his skill. Seregon lost the bet, though.
I felt bad for Daeron being made captain of this particular group. Although, the masters presumably did it on purpose if they really did know what had taken place earlier. It turns out poor Alar isn’t quite as gifted as Daeron with cutting remarks. Belas is just unbelievable. If they hadn’t known him previously I’d nearly suspect he’d planted by the masters as part of the games. I cannot believe he said such things about the commander!! ”Until he commands the masters to rid of us of the likes of him,” he said, pointing to Alar, “then we will always have dead warriors and lost ground to the enemy.” Holy crap! I’m still in shock at that one! And “He is worrying over villages now because he cannot defend them.” - how the heck does he know that?? I suppose it was destined to end in a fistfight! I can’t say I blame Legolas for taking a swipe at him. Daeron shouldn’t really have joined in but to be fair, he did make a good attempt at trying to be a captain before giving in. Were they being watched the whole time or did Orocarni appear because of the spiders?
Ah yes, spiders. It had to happen, I suppose! Still, I’m dying to see what happens next – and aren’t Seregon and Aldamir due an appearance?! :-)
Author's reply
Nope, tracking isn't Daeron's forte. He's a sword man. But I think he'll be competent in tracking when he finally gets to warrior status, but it's not his gift.
Belas is a complex character, I think. I do have a backstory in my head about the reasons his mother is the way she is and why his father gave up the fight, but Nouren's mother has a decent overview of what the problem is. Belas doesn't feel valued. He's unhappy and angry and is directing this toward Alar...and any other poor novice that he deems as a lesser to him. The altercation in the woods got out of hand. Belas is frustrated that no one is in his corner and angry that everyone is more supportive of Alar. He's just as much a loner as Alar, but for different reasons. When Legolas confronted him, Belas couldn't control Legolas by calling him inept, so he upped the stakes and attacked Legolas's family. That did it. I tried to show that possibly Belas was just spouting off at the mouth by having him say that he would willingly follow the commander's order, but he was backed into a corner by Legolas and he came out swinging. Well, Legolas swung first, but you know what I mean. Everything just snowballed.
The masters did indeed put this little group together intentionally. They took the stress that was already there with the games and let the one created by Belas come together. War is nasty business and they wanted to see how these novices would deal with such a situation since they will one day deal with worse. They let the situation develop naturally. A lesson in maturity and unity. I think they were completely aware that it could degenerate into something that would draw reprimand. And I think Orocarni would have intervened at the point that the altercation became violent, but the spiders interrupted anything he might have done. The novices were being observed throughout the whole thing.
And Belas knows about the villages being in dangerous territory because the leaders are in the stronghold, and he's heard the gossip about what's going on. Daeron had heard it too back in the first chapter. So Belas just pulled that hearsay out of his bag of tricks when he needed something to support his allegations. He had talked himself into a corner as well. Good observation!
Daeron did lose it when Belas hit Legolas. He was no better than Legolas when his family was attacked unfairly. And you're absolutely right that he should not have gotten involved, but well...the slug hit his cousin while he was holding him. The jerk.
Yep, Aldamir and Seregon are due....
Thanks so much, Dot! Wonderful review.
Karen
I almost missed that this was here. The email that my notifications goes to is down. Glad I found it because I needed a lift and this was a nice one.
I liked the conversation about the reasons why Belas is an arse and Daeron's lessons for how to manage them. I particularly liked:
“My naneth used to say,” Nouren said, “that Belas’s behavior is because he is crying out for someone to show him that they love him by caring enough to discipline him.” He smiled. “I used to think that was madness. But now I think she is right; Ah, children being forced to see the wisdom of their parents. Funny!
and:
“Well,” I said thoughtfully, “that will certainly frighten him, but not in the way I had in mind.” :) Great!
I enjoyed the sword fight. I think two elves really skilled with swords would thoroughly enjoy a nice sparing match like that.
I cringed a little when Daeron was made captain with both Belas and Alar in the group--obviously nothing good is going to come of that and of course, it did not. What a jerk that kid is. But he really stepped over the line criticizing the troop commander--pure arrogance to think, as a novice, that you can judge potential warriors better than the elf that's been doing it for hundreds of years. Of course, if your mum has been telling you that you're perfect for forty years... :( I really thought Legolas controlled his temper much longer then I would have.
Liked this line: standing guard over seedlings Funny one!
But you would leave us with a cliff hanger. I see it's time for my nasty spiders. OOooo, yuck! I really think I would have hated spiders if I'd lived in Mirkwood. Poor Daeron. Post again soon!
Author's reply
We're glad you found us! Hope the needed lift was just because it's a dull Sunday afternoon and not because you're not feeling better.
Yeah, don't you just hate it when your parents' words come back to haunt you. Nouren seems to be a good guy and he's got a good understanding of Belas. He's finally had to admit that his nana wasn't off her rocker. Belas needs someone to make him feel valued.
There were several reasons I did the sword fight between the master and the captain of the home guard, and one of them was how much it would delight the novices. The younger guys can certainly learn a lot by observing these two. Another reason was that Daeron's heart really is in being a good warrior and this gave us a chance to hear him say he was glad to be there.
I cringed in sympathy for Daeron too when he was made captain of a group sure to disintegrate. He knew that Belas would be a problem...which he was. He knew that Alar would be the brunt of Belas's ill humor...which he was. And he knew that Legolas would be no help...which he wasn't. The whole wood-gathering mission was doomed.
When Legolas finally challenged Belas, the warg's behind went for the jugular. He didn't have a good argument for why he was picking on Alar, so he attacked Legolas personally...his family. Calling Legolas inept didn't push Legolas over the line; it was when Belas turned on Legolas's family. Belas was angry and said things that he might not have said under other circumstances. He wasn't winning the verbal battle, so he upped the stakes. Though, I think he does think Alar is worthless and that he's superior. The whole thing got out of hand.
Looks like the spiders have finally been found. Daeron, the spider magnet, strikes again. Poor Daeron. Poor novices!
I hope I can get the next chapter up quickly. I've just got to go over it again and make sure I catch all the typos and such that I can. And I still miss them...
Thanks. Hope you're better and we can see your next chapter by next weekend.
Karen
I just love Daeron. He would probably deny it indignantly but he's a closet idealist. And a secret defender of the defenceless. Perfect warrior material really - unlike Belas, who seems to want to do all the wrong things for all the wrong reasons. Not to mention being an over-confident, smug brat. I hope he gets bitten.
The trouble with training Alar in smart-alec responses is that they just don't come naturally to him. I found the one about watching Belas's back just hilarious. (I'm obviously not exposed to enough adolescent wit these days). Alar seems to be accepted by the group much more willingly than Belas - which is only going to make him worse, really. I suppose I'm going to end up feeling sorry for him - but not until after he's suffered a bit of pain and humiliation, right?
Well, Daeron TRIED to keep them off each other. But you can insult the son of Thranduil, but you can't insult his brother and get away with it. And then Belas took unfair advantage - he was asking for it, but I suspect they're all going to GET it. Good thing Alar was awake, or the red-banded spiders would have been in among them before they had a chance to get their arrows out. (See, Belas, you moron? There are more ways of watching each other's back than whacking each other with swords.)
'I laughed. “If discipline is the measure of love, then Legolas and I are the most loved children in all of Elvendom.” ' Such a lovely Daeron-ism. (And true, my ellon, true!)
Excellent battle between Celelion and Melda - (shame Seregon's candidate lost. He deserves a bit of a boost at the moment.) I should think it's the one exercise when the novices are allowed to throw the battle and get 'killed' quickly so they can enjoy the spectacle.
Daeron could be an interesting captain! And he doesn't feel it necessary to teach grandmothers egg-sucking skills - 'Since I could think of no command I needed to give—they already knew how to gather firewood. . .' Shame about the spiders, though. I'm hoping that, when danger threatens, he will be able to overcome his aversion. Maybe.
Author's reply
Daeron is a closet idealist. The defender of the defenseless. The loyal friend of the friendless. The mouth of Mirkwood. And he is good warrior material. Other than that tiny problem he has with spiders, he's brave and steadfast...and loves a good sword fight.
Belas has potential to be a good warrior. He has the skills...with weapons. His people skills are woefully inadequate. I had to laugh when you wished spider fangs on him. That would be satisfying, wouldn't it?
Daeron's tutoring turned out rather badly. I don't think Alar was meant to be the Regent of Retorts. He's too shy and quiet, nothing like Daeron. Perhaps, in exchange for Daeron's lessons, Alar could teach Daeron to keep his mouth shut! That might prove harder than teaching Alar quick comebacks. Despite that Alar is small and quiet, I think he is liked by the other novices. Belas is a pain in the keister to everyone. And what a good point about there being more than one way to watch your fellow warrior's back. I wonder if Belas has figured out that Alar is a handy guy to have around even if he's too small to be good with his weapons yet? When Alar finally does grow, he'll be real handy.
I'm glad you liked the sword fight. I bet the novices still engaged did throw the bout so they could watch. OH! And Seregon said to tell you that he greatly appreciates your sympathy. He needs a shoulder...and a new fillet knife.
Thanks, Bodkin. I'm always glad to hear from you.
Karen
How can you possibly leave us like that? Huh? Huh?
I was so enjoying the fight and was cheering for Belas to have his arrogant butt kicked royally (preferably all the way out of Arda), then you threw in this "To arms!" thing. Let me guess, Daeron is ready to wet his leggings because the creepy crawlies are here, right?
A thoroughly enjoyable chapter, but I expected no less since it's from Daeron's POV and he can always be trusted to provide ample amusement. I loved his lessons in condescending discourse/verbal warfare. But poor Alar is so out of his league that I'm afraid that Daeron is wasting his time.
Belas is truly a nasty bully and I hope Aldamir gets word of all the insults hurled at him by this bully. Daeron is not the only one wanting to be a fly on the wall when Belas gets what he deserves. I want to be there right beside him.
Can we get another update soon, like right now?
Author's reply
I have to say that I was glad when the fighting novices were distracted by the spiders. I don't know who would have won this. Two against one would not have been fair, even if the 'one' deserved what he got. And yes, Daeron is on the verge of doing something embarrassing. Poor guy.
Daeron meant well when he opened the 'Master Condescending Discourse in One Easy Lesson School of Retorts'. And yes, Alar is out of his league. He's just too sweet to say nasty things. Alar will have to come up with a more natural way to deal with bullies. Daeron was absolutely no help!
I don't imagine the commanders are too far out of the loop. That kind of stuff travels on the wind. I don't think the commander will be pleased.
The rest of the spider attack will be in the next chapter. If I can get finished making the thousand and one changes my beta has redlined, I'll get it up in the next day or two. I'll try to hurry!
Thanks, Manderly.
Karen
Oh you evil, evil woman!
I won't cast a spell upon your home-made wine only because your husband, I supect, is innocent of this, but you deserve no less!! Poor Daeron! "It's not the Home Guard!" I was howling! Captain Understatement reporting!!!!
Daeron is truly a jewel, even if he's not bad with weapons, he's truly confident in the power of words! good for him! and pity for Alar, who's far from being talented on that particualr field! Daeron's coaching was endearing as well as hilarious. I think he needs to polish up his system a bit, though, before becoming Greenwood's dale-carnegie...
Bela's attitude is becoming a bit worrying, I mean, he's truly thick if he dares thinking- and speaking- in such terms about the commander...I wonder if those are his own ideas or if he's hearing those coments around...
Speaking of the commander, I believe it's time he and his cousin make their guest appearance for the night.. that's it, if they're still in speaking terms... after all, Seregon's mood won't be improved by learning he lost his wager (I went back and looked up for it, mind you!)
I loved the sound reasoning of the novices, and how everything blows to the air when Belas starts at it again. They're still novices after all!
Sigh! I'll go to my sunday afternoon laundry and cooking with a worried mind! ;-)
Have I told you that you're an evil woman? ;-)
Author's reply
Oh please, don't place any curses on the family vintiner. He's a trooper. Puts up with me and my LOTR obsession. He is most innocent of my evil ways.
Daeron was laboring under the misconception that everyone should be able to use words as weapons as easily as he does. There is indeed power in words, but not everyone is meant to be the King of Comebacks. Poor Alar wasn't cut out for such. And you're right; Daeron's system was slightly less than effective.
Belas shoots off at the mouth without engaging his brain, I think. He knew what would rattle Legolas's cage, though, and went for it. But his attitudes are worrisome. He thinks he has a right to handle situations that are not his to handle and that's something that a commander cannot tolerate. Not to mention that he's terribly disrespectful. He's got enough sense to know to not be disrespectful in the face of authority, which tells me that he really knows better. But he can't help pushing around the guy he sees as weak. That, to me, is very telling about how he sees himself. He's not happy and he's on the lookout for someone he can blame and make pay for what are really his problems.
The commanders! Good observation! They should be somewhere.... Yep, Seregon lost the wager this year, but there's always next time.
Daeron and Legolas switched roles when Belas started mouthing off. Daeron became the reasonable 'captain' while Legolas was going off like an unmanned rocket. Well, Daeron was in control until Belas hit Legolas in what he saw as an unfair advantage. His sense of fair play got the best of him. And that's not to mention that he did not take kindly to someone taking a pot shot at HIS cousin.
Laundry, cooking? Okay, you've made me feel guilty. I'll get my vacuum. Oh, you meant the story...next chapter...the remainder of the battle and its aftermath. Now where are those commanders?
Thanks so much, Perelleth. I enjoy your reviews so much.
Karen
daw the minstrel
· 20 March 2005
· Chapter 7: Chapter Seven: Daeron
Oh, oh, spider attack! And with Daeron in command! How excellent.
I had to laugh at Daeron serving as the smart-mouth coach for Alar. He is, as Legolas says, the master. But Alar has a way to go yet. And Daeron's mouth doesn't seem to have done much good once the vermin-exterminator got going. Legolas really lost it there. I wonder if that will get overlooked in the general spider panic?
I liked the fight between Melda and the HG captain. That was very well described. Not too much detail, just enough to make it feel real.
Author's reply
Yuk! Spiders! Daeron would rather face an army of orcs than a clutch of spiders.
Alar doesn't have the smart-mouth gene. Daeron figured that what worked for him would work for Alar. Wrong. Even Daeron was taken aback by the nastiness that Belas was spewing. And he was captain. He was trying to handle the worm appropriately. He would have reported Legolas and Belas for fighting--as hard as that would have been--but when Belas hit Legolas unfairly, Daeron's sense of duty went out the window. The spider attack might delay consequences, but I have a feeling that the masters won't overlook it. I think this display qualifies as not handling the situation properly.
I'm glad you liked the sword bout between Melda and Celelion. I thought the novices would love seeing their master put through his paces. Daeron loved the use of the 'real' swords. Loves his blades, he does.
Thanks, Daw for reading and reviewing. The rest of the attack is coming up in the next chapter.
Karen
Can I just say again how much I love Daeron the Doomsayer?
Once again, we were off on a hunt for some elusive trail that would most likely end in another battle with whoever was missing from our group.
And he had me howling with his Smart-Ass lessons:
Like when he said that you were not watching his back, you then say: I was watching it. Unfortunately, your front got in the way of Derion’s sword. Or you could say: I was watching it, but then I was overcome with curiosity to see if when you were stabbed you would deflate like a skin of hot air.”
I don't think Alar quite has the flair for it, niestety. And he needs to practice his self-assertiveness exercises on a less intimidating target than Belas the Belligerent. Vermin, indeed! Yes, fumigate the fandom forest! Actually for a born cynic Daeron has a lot of faith in the wisdom of the masters to see through Belas. Elves must be way more perceptive than Men in that regard. If this were a training exercise for the lads of Laketown, Belas would have already been promoted to Cadet Captain, given the ear of the masters and carte blanche to terrorize the troops, and Alar and anyone who tried to protect him would be kept around just for kicking practice.
I liked how Legolas was the one to finally take matters into his own hands despite Daeron's frantic urging to just let the masters handle it. Legolas seems to recognize what language Belas is going to understand.
The end is chilling. A rattling in the trees, the release of a bowstring, and we're not in Kansas anymore. Daeron's "It is not the home guard" was perfectly understated. For once, the Squire of Sarcasm has nothing witty to say!
Author's reply
LOL! I'm glad that Daeron the Doomsayer is still humorous. He's got a wry sense of the inevitable.
Nope, poor Alar doesn't have the smart-mouth gene. Daeron's heart was in the right place, but what works for him doesn't necessarily work for someone else. Daeron might not be overly awed by authority, but he does have respect for the masters. And most kids give far more credit to teachers and parents than sometimes is due. Daeron might have thought the masters knew more than they did, but it's always possible that the masters had witnessed all of Belas's bad behavior. Daeron thinks they did anyway. And he's trying to go through proper channels to deal with Belas...until the warg's rear end hit Legolas. Then it was on....
Legolas went off the deep end. He's been so calm and reasonable, but when Belas brought Aldamir into the argument, he just snapped. You're right; he suddenly spoke Belas's language. That punch was extremely gratifying, I think. He might have been better off if he had ventilated a little more along the way like Daeron. All his anger and frustration came rolling out.
The Squire of Sarcasm was completely without witty retort for once. What could be worse? The enemy was Daeron's worst nightmare.
Thanks for all your help and taking the time to review.
Karen
Wow, nothing like leaving us with a cliffhangar! I take it the nasty spiders have arrived, and Daeron is about to face his worst fears.
Unfortunatley, I suppose Legolas will be in as much trouble as Belas, but it had to feel good to sock him one.
I've been trying to decide if the Masters should have stepped in at some point, but I guess maybe it is better to see if the other novices can straighten Belas out themselves. Poor Daeron, trying to be captain to such a warg's hind end.
Don't wait too long to post the next chapter.
Author's reply
Poor Daeron, his worst fears, indeed. Aldamir had faith that Daeron wouldn't freeze up, but Seregon wasn't sure.
Legolas was the voice of reason for so long, but when Belas got personal--bringing his brother into this--he had had enough.
I debated whether the masters would have intervened before this point, but decided that the masters were trying to allow the novices as true a patrol experience as possible. They expected the kids to aim toward adult behavior, at least theoretical adult behavior. And I don't think they expected to the novices to change Belas, per se, but expected them to react appropriately to someone who is less than pleasant and cooperative. If everyone ignored Belas then perhaps he would have eventually caught on and changed, but he would have to make that decision. The masters wanted the kids to make the right decisions about how to handle someone like Belas. Proper channels, proper behavior, all that kind of stuff.
Thanks, Nilmandra for reading and reviewing!
Karen
I enjoyed this peak into Aldamir's mind - his slight overreaction to his father, and then his being 'led' by Elenna! Poor Aldamir -he is lost for sure, a lovestruck elfling. Seregon may need to get over his politeness and slap him up alongside the head.
I also thought the point about the village leaders being grateful the decision was taken from their hands was often very true. There are few who can truly lead a group of people - and you don't want too many of them anyway, as there can really only be one chief. They lead at their king's grace...and sometimes the hard decisions do need to bump back up to him.
Author's reply
Seregon might slap his cousin alongside his head when they're no longer in their commander roles. He's catching the brunt of Aldamir's frustrations. And despite that he's losing his best friend to a girl, he's tried to be supportive. Life just isn't fair.
The villagers have been in their homes in the western forest for as long as anyone can remember, and I think leaving would be terribly hard. But the leaders aren't dumb, just sad and reluctant to give up. I felt like they knew the right thing to do was leave, but just couldn't bring themselves to make the decision. There seemed to be a collective sigh of relief when Thranduil made the decision for them. And you're right that Thranduil is the 'big chief'. It's not easy being king.
Thanks, Nilmandra, for taking the time to review.
Karen
Wait, wait! This is going all too fast!!! ;-) It seems Elenna’s intent in knowing him better indeed, and that suits his purpose well!!! Anyway, if we take Fluffy’s piece of gossip seriously, Elenna had a beloved back in the settlement and it was her parents’ opinion that had kept her from going any further with him…and now she’s so in love with Aldamir? Uh, uh…Time, boy, time!
Poor Aldamir, anyway, the discussion with Thranduil was maddening! See, I believe that the problem is working for your family, rather than living with your family, although both things together must be truly infuriating when problems arise! You never, ever become a grown-up, even if you’re living apart. I’ve seen that in my father’s family, which has owned and ran a wine-growing company for five generations now. “Patriarchs” and “candidates” are always clashing, no matter how adult they are...or how apart they live from each other!!!
And I personally think that Aldamir’s reasoning is a perfect example of “tell him what he wants to hear, for it perfectly suits your purpose presently...” Mmm it’s so difficult for both of them!
Loved Tree. Truly. Above all, that sentence about how his being "disrespectful" was a sign that he trusted you. That’s a very shrewd point. A smiling guy and one who has a sense of humour do mean reliability in my book!!
I’m truly expectant. Somehow I have the feeling that settlers, warriors, elder cousins, red-branded ladies and novices are going to prove again that Greenwood the Great isn’t big enough for the whole of them!!!! Hope Daeron does not disgrace himself -or his underwear- too badly!
And give Seregon a hug for me! That was an awkward situation! ;-)
Author's reply
I'm howling! You're the only person to recall Fluffy's gossip! Or at least the only person to mention it to me. But Aldamir doesn't know this tidbit. Daeron thought that it was way too dangerous to meddle in the commander's personal life and talked Legolas out of telling his brother. Unfortunately, we just don't know how reliable Fluffy is as a source. However, this relationship is moving quickly. Far quicker than our 'dull' commander is used to.
Good point about children working for parents. Poor Aldamir lives with his parents too. Your family is in the wine business? Fascinating. My husband makes wine...much smaller operation...in our downstairs kitchen. He does it as a hobby and IMO, he makes good wine. I'm afraid I only know how to open a bottle, but he enjoys learning about how the 'real' guys do it.
Aldamir's answer to his father was well thought out. He was prepared to present his case for what his job would be on the mission. He failed to plan for his father seeing right through him. Personally, I think Elenna had something to do with his decision about exactly where he would post himself too. He might have gone without her being an issue...if he had never met her...but I don't know that he would have assigned himself to command the guards responsible for seeing to the leaders' party's safety.
I'm glad you like Tree. And I like how you articulated that if he is disrespectful that it's significant in how he views someone. I like a guy with a sense of humor and a smile too.
Daeron is up next. I'll tell him you wish him well. He'll need to hear that. Seregon said to tell you that if you didn't mind, he preferred for you to deliver your hug yourself. He'd like to return the kind gesture. He's available, you know. :>)
Thanks so much for this wonderful review. You're so much fun!
Karen
French Pony
· 18 March 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter Six: Aldamir
Tree is a fascinating guy. He sounds like one of those gruff old Army dudes who make everyone's life a living hell until someone discovers the marshmallow core inside them. He's probably someone that Aldamir could talk to completely honestly about his problems in a way that he couldn't talk to Thranduil or even Seregon (he's got an image to keep up there, after all). As Tree points out, he changed Aldamir's diapers and wiped Thranduil's nose,so there can be no secrets there. And he can smoosh the King's heir and military commander in a hug. He is definitely a resource.
Thranduil sounds like he has developed a late-onset case of the "dealing with adolescent crushes blues." That's difficult enough to deal with when the crusher is a relatively powerless teenager, but when he's a full grown adult with serious military and political responsibility hinging on his every hormone surge, then you have a potential problem. I get the sense that Thranduil doesn't normally sit the kids down for A Long Parental Talk full of Good Advice on their love lives, but this seems to be an exception. I kind of wonder where the missus is in all of this.
The spiders do look like they'll be causing trouble, and I can understand Thranduil's nervousness here -- it's his kid and nephew who are out there this time around. But it's also Aldamir's brother and his cousin, so he can feel reassured that Aldamir will be just as wary about the spiders as he will.
The name bracelets are a nice touch. Elvish dog tags, to be treated as reverently as we treat dog tags today, but with the added weight that they can't be removed and cast aside in the event of capture. Kind of makes you imagine the ceremony where the queen puts them on, the unaccustomed weight of the thing, the finality of feeling it seal permanently around your arm. I guess they're made loose enough so that they don't chafe.
A kissing scene. Eh.
Author's reply
Tree would be a good resource for Aldamir. Unfortunately, Aldamir doesn't know he needs one...yet.
Thranduil is used to his oldest son being steadfast and reliable. The whole crush thing is uncharted territory for both father and son. But Thranduil can see that Aldamir is heading down a path that could easily result in heartbreak. He tried to be diplomatic, but Aldamir is simply angered by what he sees as criticism and interference. The queen is around, but she's taken a lower-key tact with this for the moment. She's allowing Thranduil to deal with this mano y mano. But there have been discussion between the king and queen about their oldest son. Thranduil is stuck with being the busy-body. I considered allowing her to have her say, but I felt like it would only be redundant.
Good call on the spiders and the king's worries. He would be concerned even if his child and nephew weren't involved, but Legolas and Daeron being on the games just ups the stakes. And both king and commander are trying to not let the fact that Legolas and Daeron are there influence how they react. Sometimes such concerns only make us not take action when we should have and would have in other circumstances.
I thought about the practicality of the name bands and how they could potentially interfere with archery. So yes, they're lose enough to not become irritating and are slender enough to fit comfortably under arm braces. And they're mithril: lightweight and sturdy. I liked the idea that the warriors are permanently marked as warriors. I hope it conveyed the seriousness of accepting this duty and set the warriors aside as a group that is appreciated by the people for their willingness to serve. And for the warriors, it's a source of pride. Not to mention that in the worse case scenario, the bands are a source of identification. I've tried to imagine the ceremony of the queen placing the band on the new warrior's arm. I might work it in sometimes in the future. I'd like to see the queen place the mark of a warrior on Legolas. I'll see.
Thanks so much for your review. They are always a delight. You're such a good reader. I love that I can't slip anything past you! You make me think and be sure my reasoning was sound--hopefully. I really like that. Thanks again.
Karen
I was truly impressed with Thranduil's ability to not micromanage. It's easy to delegate authority but when the stakes are high it's hard to resist the urge to second-guess. Now that Aldamir is reassured of his ada's undying confidence, he'll feel really bad if something goes wrong!
Ada Thranduil is not quite as restrained as King Thranduil, though. I hope Aldamir takes his advice to heart and doesn't rush into things....oops, never mind. Since we're on the topic, what a really intense make-out scene. I don't know how they ever managed to stop. Elves must have way more self-discipline than humans.
Tree is a great character. It's amusing to think of anyone wiping Thranduil's nose, even if it was said in jest. It's amusing to think of anyone saying such a thing, even in jest!
But my favorite part, as always, was Aldamir and Seregon. What are friends for if you can't be sullen and rude around them? Poor Seregon, though - he's probably never seen Aldamir like this before. That scene was very well played.
And some things never change: A quick breathe
Author's reply
The king is trying to let Aldamir do his duty. Unfortunately for Aldamir, his duty does not include maidens and Ada feels he has every right to discuss where the lines blur. And yep, Aldamir promised to be cautious and to not do anything foolish. It's a good thing his parents don't know about the rock incident. I think that would fall into the 'not-cautious' category.
Tree is a fun character to write. He's a good guy, but he's not overly impressed with the trapping of royalty--we have to remember that he knew Oropher and Thranduil before either one was king. I imagine that Tree had a hand in Oropher being made king. Once he was certain that Oropher would put the good of the people first, then I think he was loyal and devoted. But I also imagine he was the toughest sell on needing a king. I also see him as teaching Thranduil the ways of the forest. And Tree is probably the only living soul who would remind Thranduil that he knew him when he was wet behind the ears.
I'm glad the 'rude' scene came off okay. I felt kind of bad for Seregon myself. Poor guy; he was just trying to help. Just goes to show you....
Thanks for the review. Really, that's above and beyond the call of duty. But I appreciate every single one of them.
Karen
Author Reply: A quick breathe
I found it! Really, I'm going to have to speak to my beta. :>) I'll tell her how observant you are...oh, wait...
I like Aldamir. In fact, I have a very soft spot for him. But really… “there were also days when I wished to place duty into someone else’s hands and simply be a wood-elf enjoying his land and his family […] I am also my king’s subject. I feel for you sonny, I really do, but try being the king, eh? He’s not having such an easy time lately either. On top of everything else, he has to be concerned about his normally sensible son’s brain being ruled by his… something else. Come to think of it, Karen, why aren’t we seeing Thranduil’s point of view?!! Oh, does he know too much?
I thought the little mention of the village leaders probably being secretly glad that the decision was out of their hands was one of those moments that ring true for everyone. Sometimes it is just easier to have no choice but to give up our fight. These people obviously love the forest and the life they live and can’t very well be seen to give in easily now, even when it’s for the best.
I’m loving Tree!! He sounds like an elf with a story. I was touched by the reference to his obvious anger at Oropher’s death and how perhaps he never recovered. He seems to be one of those marvellous people who are so close to the king and his family that it’s perfectly natural for him not only to be informal but to treat them as he would his own. It speaks volumes of the type of person he is too that he would still come and do anything they ask of him, no matter how dangerous.
I have to apologise now that I kind of have to skip over the discussions of spiders. I realise it’s hugely important to the story and you’re creating a wonderful sense of tension but I can’t quite make myself dwell on it. Sorry. Should I just presume that these newer, hardier ones are being bred by something evil and maybe wait for the poor novices to get more of an idea of a warrior’s life in the Woodland Realm than they had perhaps bargained for (while I cover my eyes)?
The discussion between Thranduil and Aldamir was very well done. I nodded along with both of them. All of Aldamir’s arguments seem very well-considered, but I can see why Thranduil would feel he had to ask about Elenna. It’s certainly a fair point that she should know exactly what she’d be getting into if she married a son of the king. And dismissing his mother’s concerns doesn’t sound like it would be a wise move at all. If it weren’t for this ‘secret’ and the threat of the spiders hanging over them, Aldamir’s parents would probably be getting great amusement out of his love life.
“Then do not!” I snapped. Ouch. I think Aldamir is feeling slightly confused and very much picked-on by his parents – which he more than likely isn’t all that used to. He’s an elf used to being in control of pretty much everything. Still, poor Seregon. Actually, I feel bad for him. It’s horrible when your friend abandons you because there’s a new love interest, and even worse when they get all moody because of it.
If he’s trying to be “no one but myself”, can she not call him Aldamir instead of ‘my lord’?! I love watching these two together. They really are in love! I’m still hoping that whatever her secret is, it won’t affect their relationship because it sounds like he, at any rate, feels a real bond with her. I just loved the part about the flowers. What an original idea! It’s wonderfully symbolic and I particularly like the idea that everyone knows what is meant by looking at what colour is worn.
The warrior bands are a symbol so full of meaning that I had a lump in my throat reading about them! There’s something very sad about a still-grieving Thranduil determined that no warrior would ever be forgotten. It gives a warrior’s life such significance too, that he’s forever part of something special.
Ah. I was wondering what you felt needed a warning. I found it!! Aldamir forgets everything he told his father. I think seeing their passion for each other was important for us to realise that this isn’t something Aldamir can easily put out of his mind. It’d be very hard to turn away from her now. And you brought it so far that I thought for a moment… but they still have some sense, it seems! Whew. I’m just dying now to know where all this is headed! :-)
Author's reply
LOL! All Aldamir's looking for is a little sympathy and obviously, you're not the one to give it to him. But you do have a point; Thranduil is up to his eyeballs in spiders, reluctant villagers and a son who has lost all reason. I have intentionally left the parents out so far. However, Thranduil will get his say.
I would imagine that it would be tough for the villagers to give up the home they love, but I can't see them being stupid. They held on to last minute, hoping for a miracle, I think. Since one doesn't look like it's coming and making the decision themselves to leave was almost too painful, I think they would be relieved to have someone simply make it for them. But it put the burden of doing the right thing on the king. The king appreciates your sympathy.
Tree does have a story, but most of it's in my head and backstory about him. He's a wood-elf through and through. Before Oropher came to the Greenwood, he was involved in the defense of the woods. He and Oropher were tight. Losing the king was quite a blow to Tree. Not only did he lose his king, but he lost his friend. He felt he had failed in his duty. Poor guy. There's only so much any guard can do in the midst of a battle.
The spiders are creepy. I'll tell them to be quiet when they show back up. We don't want to upset Dot. I'm sure they'll oblige. :>)
The discussion between Thranduil and Aldamir started out well. But Aldamir didn't take kindly to the king giving advice. Thranduil had a good point and I think he saw that his son is head over heels in love and had completely dismissed what his mother had sensed. The whole affair is moving far too fast. Dad was just offering a few words of caution. Aldamir, of course, was most offended that he was being treated like a child--in his opinion--but what did he do? Exactly what he had promised his father that he would not do. Love might be blind, but the king and queen aren't.
Aldamir was a tad rude to Seregon. Spiders, parents, novices and nosey cousins were just too much for Aldamir that day. Poor Seregon got the brunt of his irritation. Personally, I consoled myself by telling myself that Seregon has probably bitten Aldamir's head off too at one time or another.
I've go to go back and look to see where Elenna referred to Aldamir as 'my lord'. I think you might be talking about when they left for the walk and he told her she was beautiful? I'll check, but I think at that point she was saying this sort of tongue in cheek. She certainly called him Aldamir later on.... :>)
I'm glad you liked the flowers. They came out of the blue and were just there when the two lovebirds arrived. The flowers gave them a chance to say what they felt, but sort of hidden behind the meaning of the yellow flower.
With the losses that Mirkwood suffered at the Last Alliance, I've always wondered how they recorded the deaths to take back home. The number must have been staggering. And in the midst of war, days must have gone by before the elves could collect their dead. Possibly that's a little too much contemplation on my part, but the band gave Elenna an opportunity to let it sink in what Aldamir did. I don't think everyone would be suited to being a warrior's wife. She needed to contemplate the implications of Aldamir's duty.
The whole purpose of the rock scene was to show that Aldamir is truly in love with Elenna. He's never allowed anything like this to happen before. This is one of those cases where the writer allows the character to act completely out of character. But it was with purpose!
I'm glad you're still hanging in there with me. I can't tell you how much I love getting your reviews. You're such a good reader. You catch so much of my intent and really have a good grasp of the characters. That's very satisfying to me as an author. Thank you!
Karen
I have to say that I immediately liked Tree. :) I like the bit of his history that you showed us and his description and of course, his name.
And poor Aldamir. If I ever feel well enough to give it one final edit, the next chapter I will post in my story has a somewhat similar conversation and these conversations just amuse me. Can you imagine being several hundred years old, still living with your parents as you said and having to quietly listen to their advice on your love life! Of course this is just how life was for everyone ('cept we don't live to be several hundred years old) until just a few decades ago, but it still seems so funny to me. How uncomfortable! And I do think Thranduil would be right to question whether Aldamir was making decisions for personal reasons. That was a great conversation.
And you cannot imagine my relief when the warning was for a passionate little scene rather than for violence as I had feared. I am just looking for spiders at every turn. Aldamir certainly does seem serious about this lady. I don't know though. She's a quick thing. Maybe the parents' advice is good advice. Slow is always better.
Looking forward to the next chapter. :)
Author's reply
Tree's been around the Greenwood far longer than Thranduil. I see him as possibly one of the elves who refused the call of the Valar. The independent sort of cuss. He's as loyal as the day is long, but he's not shy about telling any of the royal family that they're barking up the wrong tree. Thranduil tolerates him because I think he knows that Tree is devoted and Tree was one his father's closest friends. Tree takes something of a paternal tact with Oropher's line. And there's true affection between him and the royal household.
I feel for Aldamir too. I'd have to be shot for insubordination if I had to live with and obey my parents. The thought gives me hives. Thranduil is very observant about his oldest son. Aldamir's reasons for going on the trip are valid, but I'm not sure that things would have played exactly the same if there had been no Elenna. Dad was just checking.
You were looking for spiders? My, aren't you suspicious? :>) Nope, just a little grubbing on a rock. You know, you're right: Elenna does seem a bit forward. But in her defense, I think she's just less restrained than the good commander. Still, makes Thranduil's advice all the more poignant.
Thanks so much for your reviews, Elliska. I hope you're feeling better soon and can run through the next chapter of your story and get it up. I'm looking forward to your 'advice' scene.
Karen
Nom d'un chien, but I love this. Poor Aldamir - it doesn't make any difference how sensible Thranduil's advice is to take things steadily - a wife is not just for Christmas, but to infinity and beyond. He's fallen in lurve - and he's thinking with parts of his anatomy other than his brain. (I had a word to use, but thought it was possibly impolitic.) I hope Elenna's secret is merely that she dyes her hair or something - I wouldn't want our favourite crown prince to end up with his heart broken. (Even though romance is coming between him and his best friend. Poor Seregon will have to get himself a girlfriend in simple self-defence.)
The mirithil flowers sound very symbolic - I was relieved that Aldamir was being discreet - well, until they got into the equivalent of the back seat and started to get a little more friendly.
Tree sounds very impressive - and like someone about to develop into a more significant character. I hope so anyway - I'd like to see more of him. And there is certainly plenty to see.
Poor Thranduil. He's having a tough time. Between villagers, sons and prospective daughters-in-law, his diplomacy chip must be wearing out. At least the spiders don't require tact.
Looking forward to more.
Author's reply
Hi Bodkin,
What a great review. Yeppers, the boy is in lurve. His head is so far in the clouds that he's raining. I'm getting kind of tired of Elenna being secretive too. Spit it out, girl! I wonder how Seregon will handle it if this relationship works out? His fishing buddy won't be as free to hang out as before.
until they got into the equivalent of the back seat and started to get a little more friendly.
I just wanted to repeat that. I'm still laughing. That's exactly it! Making out in the backseat. Oh dear....
Tree is a fun character to write. He's got history and he's very much an individual. Also, there's no bowing and scraping for him. Okay, he bows, but he's almost a surrogate parental figure to the House of Thranduil. His devotion and love for them is great, but he's not afraid to swat any one of them across the noggin' and tell them to fly right. I hope he'll round out well.
And Thranduil is grateful that you noticed that HE'S having a bad day too. He feels like he's beating his head against the wall. His diplomacy chip is shot. Now where's that Dorwinion?
Thanks, Bodkin. I can't tell you how much I enjoy your reviews.
Karen
Well, you certainly put us through a myriad of emotions in this chapter.
The scene with Tree was certainly amusing and I hope we will see more of him in this story. I must admit that I can't picture Tree wiping Thranduil's nose (so to speak) as I can't imagine Thranduil being anything else but the imposing king that he is now. The agelessness of elves strikes again!
The father and son discussion between Thranduil And Aldamir was very well done. Even though it was written in Aldamir's POV, both characters and their respective reasoning came through clearly, making it hard to choose sides with either one of them. I just hope that Elenna is as serious as Aldamir is about their budding relationship.
And that final scene - certainly not the stuff for elfings. Good thing nobody stumbled upon their intimacy. (Goes off and fans herself).
Author's reply
Thanks, Manderly. Tree will be around for a while. In my backstory that no one ever sees but me, Tree has been around for a long time. He was in the forest when Oropher came. Thranduil was an adult when they arrived, but a young one. Tree was sort of joking about wiping the king's nose. Though I think he did teach a great deal about forest life to Thranduil. And I see the wood-elves as having a different fighting style than the ones who lived in Doriath or any other city, for that matter. I see the wood-elves as sort using 'gorilla warfare' instead of everyone lining up in a nice straight line and standing there as the enemy's arrows begin to fly. Tree is a master at this type of gorilla warfare.
Thanks for the compliment about the father/son talk. Both do have valid points, I think. And the king is right to be concerned since Aldamir has know Elenna for such a short time. And Aldamir is right that he's an adult and can handle his own personal life. Both parties were trying to be civil until the king said that he didn't think that Aldamir had been as attentive to this mother's concerns as he should be. The commander was not happy. He was downright angry. Don't you just hate it when your parents are right? Aldamir does.
Yeah, it is a good thing that no one stumbled on the happy, but half-dressed couple. Hopefully, the reader got a sense of how much in love with Elenna that Aldamir is. He feels like he's discovered the wheel! Still, this is serious to him. He's never allowed himself to feel so much for anyone.
Thanks so much for the review! I really appreciate you taking the time to do it. I'm always happy to hear from you.
Karen
daw the minstrel
· 17 March 2005
· Chapter 6: Chapter Six: Aldamir
I actually logged on from my hotel room this morning, hoping I'd find the next chapter of this story, and then I was rewarded with the "must be an adult" page. Oh goody.
What an interesting character Tree is. He's melancholy but also smiles when he see others, so it's like he keeps his troubles to himself.
Aldamir's discussion with his father was well done. He's reasoned this all out well and I was convinced by his argument. But I'll bet a little personal feeling was in there too. And then Thranduil was a very good father to counsel him on the importance of making sure Elenna understood what his life was life. But poor Aldamir hears it all as criticism of him and of Elenna.
I liked the comparison of Elenna to a summer flower. I think Elves must have seen people in natural terms like that.
Aldamir's doubts about adults living with their parents rang true for me! He has my entire sympathy.
I was struck by the finality of the wrist band Aldamir wears. The fact that it marks him forever seems symbolic of the way a warrior's experience must mark and change him forever. I thought the band was probably for ID purposes, like dog tags.
Ah, he loves her and he wants her. That's wonderful. I think he really needs her and this secret needs to be revealed soon.
Well, I'm off to get ready for my breakfast meeting.
Author's reply
I'm so glad that you have Internet access, but just knowing that you're in the 'wrong' place, makes me miss you.
Tree, in my mind, is an ancient elf, one who most likely refused the summons of the Valar. When Oropher came to the Greenwood, I think Tree was already leading elves in defense of the woods. Oropher would have had to prove himself to Tree, but once he did, they became very close friends. Tree is loyal to a fault. I also thinks he looks at Oropher's line and feels somewhat paternal toward them. He's respectful, but not overly impressed with titles. Says what he thinks...appropriately, of course...usually...sometimes... You're right; he is melancholy, but even with all he's seen in all his years, he still loves his home, his people and the king he serves.
Aldamir and his father's discussion sort of fell apart. At least, it did for Aldamir. He thought he was prepared to talk to his father, but Thranduil blind-sided him with moving into personal subjects that Aldamir did not want to talk about. When Thranduil pointed out that he was concerned that Aldamir had not paid the queen's concerns their proper due, Aldamir passed from annoyed into fire-breathing mad. Perhaps, it was because the king was right?
I think that being a soldier or warrior would always have an impact on a person that would remain for the rest of their lives. Yes, you're right; the band is like dog tags. I came up with for two reasons. One, I always wondered how in the world the elves handled Dagorlad. What a grim job. Two, I wanted to bring home to Elenna what exactly Aldamir did. Knowing something in theory and getting up close and personal with it is often quite different.
Yep, he loves her and needs her. She's like no one he has ever known before. She's a little like Tree in that she's respectful, but not overly impressed with titles. She sees Aldamir for who he is, not the title. I consider that to be a good thing.
Hope the conference is going well. Thanks for the review.
Karen
Wow! Emotions galore in this chapter! The scene between Thranduil and Aldamir was superbly done -- you really captured how Aldamir felt and I could feel his tension. And the scene later with Elenna, Phew! Hot, erotic ... and yet sensuous and tender.
The Mithiril were interesting -- you combined the idea of the meaning of flowers into a single one that could change as it matured. That was really inspired.
And LOL about Tree! I used to have a friend who was 6'8 and we called him Tree too -- and ironically, he took a forestry program in college. I bet your Tree will be handy to have around in battle later though.
Another great chapter, Karenator!
Author's reply
Thanks, Leaward. Aldamir was a little miffed at what he saw as his father's interference. And the king was right; Aldamir had completely put his mother's concerns out of his head. I don't think the commander liked having that pointed out.
I'm glad you liked the flowers. It is symbolic and I hope that the flowers will become important at some point to the two lovebirds. Reoccurring theme or running gag? Fine line, a mighty fine line...
Well now, the rock scene. I tell ya, Leaward of the Dunadain, I found out that I might be more suited to writing dialogue for Daeron than whispering sweet nothings in someone's ear. I must have written that scene two hundred times. I hoped to show that the commander did, indeed, throw all good sense out the window and did exactly what he had, just hours before, promised his father that he would not do: something foolish. (Remember, they've NOT known each other very long and the king had made it plain that he would not approve of a betrothal at that point.) I also wanted this scene to show that Aldamir is 'that' much in love with her. This kind of thing doesn't happen everyday to him. Her either, I imagine, but we were spying from his point of view. Phew! I'm glad that's over.
I'm sure I must have stolen the 'Tree' name from so many basketball players being called that. I love that you actually knew one and that he went into forestry is just a great story.
Thanks so much for the review. You always make me smile.
Karen
Elves get dirty? Elves smell bad? Surely dirt is automatically repelled by their sheer elvishness! Isn't their glow created by their natural anti-perspirant/deodorant with insect repellent in a natural forest fragrance?
Legolas is developing his Daeron-style wit here - 'we had become so unbearable to be around that they feared a band of orcs might mistake us for some of their fellows and seek to join us.' I just love the by-play about the state of laundry so foul that even naneths would refuse to deal with it.
And the social interactions of adolescents are so flipping complicated! 'We should intervene,' 'We can't, it'd only make things worse,' 'We'll get into trouble,' 'Let's squash Belas anyway,' 'It's up to Alar not to be a victim' - and so it goes on. And adults are just so helpless when it comes to intervening in such things - all it does is push it underground.
Then - all that good sense from Legolas about not jumping in feet first and who does it? All that we need now is for Belas to decide that Alar has his uses and should be tolerated, while that cocky son-of-a-king Legolas needs putting in his place.
Still. The red-banded spiders might have a role to play in uniting the novices against a common foe. Maybe.
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I had a discussion once with a friend about how elves are Teflon coated and she came up with good scientific reasoning on how they could repel dirt. I can't remember any of it at the moment, but her ideas were very good. But overall, I think they can get a little rank when left without their Right Guard too long. I love your description of their natural essence!
Legolas wit? I laughed out loud when I read that. You are one astute reader, my dear Bodkin. That line was originally Daeron's. I toned it down a little and gave it to Legolas because the blond half of the duo does have a sense of humor and I didn't want him to seem too dry. Plus these two spend so much time in one another's company, that I think they would influence how the other views the world at times. So absolutely, that was a Daeron influenced observation. I keep hoping that Legolas will be a positive influence on Daeron. My beta wants me to write a grown up Legolas/Daeron story to see how Daeron turns out. I'm playing with that idea.
Adolescent interactions are a bevy of contradictions. They have a good sense of right and wrong, but the urge to do what they want is so strong that the ideas collide regularly. And adult interference can just push the whole thing underground if they're not careful. The masters are smart and they try to let the kids take care of their own problems, but they're watching to make sure that the solutions are appropriate. That's a laugh.
Legolas did sort of slip in his resolve to handle Belas appropriately, didn't he? That insult just came flying out. Drat! And he as trying so hard to be grown up about the whole mess. But he's gotten himself back under control. He hopes.
And yep, those spiders are still on the loose.
Thank you so much for this review. You caught so much of the behind the scenes stuff that I think either you've been talking to my much put-upon beta, or you're one good computer hacker and have been in my files. I love it! Thank you so much.
Karen
Legolas is very level-headed and thoughtful; that's why it was so satisfying to hear him call Belas an orc's behind. It somehow wouldn't have had as much impact coming from his curmudgeony cousin. But Legolas really is showing the qualities of a diplomat and a leader - caring for the weak but picking his battles carefully. He seems able to see the utility of even his most obnoxious adversaries, which will come in handy later in life :-). I loved the reverse ambush. What fun. Daeron is quick though. Legolas was right to say it was good he met him as an orc. I have a feeling Daeron will be one heck of an Elven Warrior when he fills out a bit. Hint.
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Legolas was trying so hard to find a reasonable solution to the Belas problem. That orc's behind comment just sort of slipped out. Legolas is calmer and thinks through consequences better than Daeron, but even Daeron is beginning to grow up enough to realize that he has to work with the system. Of course, he has his own way of doing that. And you're right about Daeron being quick. He will be a formidable warrior one day. Belas won't want to meet him as Daeron, the elf, either.
Thanks for hanging in there with me. I appreciate your reviews.
Karen
Well, I would have to say that Alar did a mighty fine job tracking. Belas is indeed an orc's rear end that he is too blind to see what an asset the kid is.
They did a nice job on the surprise attack - nothing like turning on their attackers! And now I want to hear what Daeron was thinking - this is bound to be good!
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Alar might be short, but he's tall in the tracking department. He's got a natural ability that exceeds the average wood-elf. Plus, he's very much at home in the woods. The trees chat with him like his best friend. I suppose the trees have been his best friends. But now that Legolas has recognized that Alar is something of a loner, I think he and Daeron will happily include him in their lives.
The surprise attack did get turned around on the sneaky attackers. Legolas had Daeron in his sights there for a moment. Legolas winning the bout with the swords really killed him though. He'll be looking for revenge later on, I'm sure.
Daeron is sharpening his best weapon. He's thinking....
Thanks for reading and reviewing, Nilmandra.
Karen
What a thoroughly engrossing chapter! You completely transported me from a damp, misty day to this move-and-you’ll-melt type of weather in the forest. I notice laundry seems to be a recurring theme in your stories. You must be very fond of it. Stop spluttering.
It sounds like these novices haven’t exactly had it easy for the past week. I love their utter disgust at being unwashed and wearing dirty clothes. Very elven. Their human counterparts struggle with the notion of cleanliness for a good many years more, I think!
I thought the conversation between Daeron and Legolas about Belas was very interesting in terms of insight into Legolas’ character. He’s definitely a lot calmer and more sensible than Daeron. Daeron’s heart is certainly in the right place, of course, in wanting to help Alar but Legolas seems to be able to take a step back and see the consequences before they do anything daft. Although, he could probably be dragged into a scheme or two…
The part about the tracking was rather fascinating. How on earth do you know all this stuff about moss and rocks and waterlines?? I must admit, for a second I thought that they might be following the wrong tracks – but thank heavens for the trees!! Alar has transformed into a total wood-elf before my very eyes and I’m seeing him in a whole new light!! There is something very sad, though, about the thought that Alar finds more comfort and companionship in the trees that in friends. Belas is a complete idiot. Legolas is right – if he’s going to be a pain in the you-know-what, he could at least have the sense to do it by using Alar’s skills to his advantage. I don’t really see the idea of Alar trying to be friendly towards Belas working very well, but Legolas and Daeron spending more time with Alar could do him the world of good. I hate to see him feel like he can’t even speak around Belas. You’re doing a good job with him, though. A character like that could very easily become too pitiful to be at all likeable but you’ve made him rather endearing and very believable.
I really enjoyed the mock battle scene. If I may say so, it was just the right length too – sometimes battle scenes go on and on and on… ;-) I loved being in Legolas’ head for it and the feeling of being aware of where people where and what was happening rather than just fighting and chaos. I should grudgingly say too that Belas sounds like he has the makings of a fairly good captain if he worked on his people skills a bit.
Anyway, I’ve rambled on far too much. Great chapter and I’m very much looking forward to the next :-)
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Laundry...well, you know what 'they' say: Write what you know. I'm an expert in the that field.
I'm so pleased that you can see Legolas's personality coming through. He was one of the main reasons I wrote each chapter from a different character's POV. I wanted to get to know him better. He's not necessarily quieter than Daeron, I don't think, but he's level-headed and cognizant of consequences if he gets involved with something that will cause trouble. I suppose Daeron is aware too of not doing anything dumb, but his sense of right and wrong has been greatly offended. Daeron is more likely to use verbal warfare; he's got the weapons for it and he's not afraid to use them! Legolas is more diplomatic.
I'm a graduate of the Tracking On Line College of Woodcraft. Alar really is a good guy, but he's also a bit of a loner. He's small for his age and as far as Legolas knows, he doesn't have any close friends. Daeron and Legolas will be good for him. But Alar will be good for them as well. The terrible two have looked outside their own little circle for the first time and saw that they were missing out on what's going on around them. They thought about someone besides themselves. I think as we get older, we learn to see others more often. This is what I wanted for them. If it makes you feel any better about poor Alar, I see him as taking off in growth and eventually becoming one of the best trackers Mirkwood has ever had. His confidence will come. Not in this story...but later on. I couldn't let him not succeed, even if it was only in my mind.
I'm glad the fight scene turned out well for you. I'm much better with laundry. And you make a very good point about Belas's ability to lead. If he can just get over himself, he has the makings of a good warrior.
And you never ramble. I love your reviews and reading what you thought as you read. You are such an attentive reader. I learn things from you!
Thanks, Dot.
Karen