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White Wolf · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Love the chapter title. How humiliating for Sinnarn to be reduced to a local messenger. I think having his parents disappointed in him was indeed worse than getting a tongue lashing would have been. I'm glad that Thranduil dealt with him with compassion, yet didn't interfere with his punishment.

Author's reply

As you probably know, the chapter title imitates one from a children's book, so it's sort of like a fanfic within a fanfic. :-) Sinnarn must feel like something stuck on the bottom of someone's shoe. Even Tinar got to rip on him. Thank goodness for Thranduil and Emmelin.

tigerlily713 · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Love the title! Great chapter! I enjoyed the delicate balance of emotion between Thranduil and his grandson. Too bad Legolas couldn't make more fo a point out of the fact the Galion and Sinnarn's stories matched up. Anyway, I look forward to more. Lily

Author's reply

Do you know the children's book the title came from Lily? I always thought it was very funny, and Sinnarn's day was at least as bad as Alexander's. Thranduil showed his age and wisdom there, I think. He offered advice and love, without minimizing what had happened, and I think Sinnarn gained from that. It does seem to be a pity that no one believes Galion about the drink either.

Bodkin · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

I can't remember where I read it, but I believe standing to attention all day is indeed almost impossible - you often see Guardsmen fainting at big events when they have to stand motionless and tense for any length of time. Also, I believe that it is much more difficult when you are doing it on your own, rather than in a parade. He might have to 'stand easy'. It's nearly as nasty, but probably more sustainable. Though, of course, as an elf, he's tough. I think you should go through the reviews and count up the number of times the words 'poor Sinnarn' have been written. He is visibly maturing - I loved the way he thought of running and then you could see him steeling his backbone as he reflected that Sauron hadn't gone and it was his duty to serve the realm, so he would have to endure the humiliation. But he needed his grandfather's wisdom and Emmelin's unconditional love. He'll survive - I hope. (When Ithilden and Alfirin were having their happy moment, I thought it would be really rather a good idea if they and Eilian and Celuwen just happened to beget elflings on the same night - first cousins and virtual twins! Alfirin needs another elfling!)

Author's reply

LOL. I keep saying "poor Sinnarn" myself. But you're right: he's maturing. Which goes to show you that Thranduil is right too: it's how Sinnarn deals with the consequences that will show what he's made of and make him stronger. Re two elflings at once: Have you been talking to Nilmandra? She has suggested that too. The last I heard though, her new puppy was keeping her up all night and she was referring to him as "devil baby" so her enthusiasm for babies may have lessened a little!

LKK · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

I'm not sure who was dreading this day more, Sinnarn or me. The day might have been worse than Sinnarn was expecting, but it was better than I had dreaded. Thank you. :)

Author's reply

You must really have been picturing some bad stuff, LKK! Once I decided that his crime was part of his work, not part of his family life, then it was easier to sort out how it might be dealt with. I didn't think Thranduil would interfere with Ithilden in either his fatherly role or his troop commander one, and I thought Ithilden would not interfere with Todith, who was Sinnarn's direct boss. In my opinion, though, having to stand at attention with Tinar there is about as bad as it gets!

sofia · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

wow... that must be humiliating for Sinnarn. I would be embarresed to be in that position. I'm glad Emmelin doesnt ingnore him or anything. Update soon. -sofia

Author's reply

It would be awful, I agree. Tinar might be the worst part, but anyone coming in the office is going to know what happened. Ack. Poor Sinnarn. Emmelin loves him. Thank goodness. At least he knows that for sure now.

caz - baz · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 10: Escape

oh god i feel terrible for sinnaran then for Legolas for having to tell Ithilden then Ithilden for having to tell Thranduil and then i feel sorry for sinnarn again because he's going to have to answer for it. oh dear. i hope Galion stands up for him. oh no! well i'll read the next chapter soon. Poor Poor Sinnaran. i just finished all my exams today so i'm going to party. later caz

Author's reply

Yes, at this point, you can see what's coming for Sinnarn and know it's not going to be pretty. And it must really have been hard for Legolas to tell Ithilden and for Ithilden to hear it. Congratulations on your exams being over! Freedom is a wonderful thing.

Jebb · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Well after a good cry I decided to re-read and review only to find I have tears in my eyes again! Sinnarn is truly repentant a fact that comes through so clearly as does the love and support his family will give. The disppointment lecture so much more difficult to handle than a scolding. Todith was fair but firm I wonder who else is going to feel the lash of his tongue but once again Sinnarn had the support of his friend and his minder Nithron who I c ould quite understand might have wanted to cuff him around the ear. I am sure Ithilden must have considered it while he sat in his office knowing his son was standing to attention outside in total humiliation then he would no doubt have followed it up with a hug of understanding for his child's distress. .lower than Tinar could anything be worse? Ah but Thranduil what a wonderful elf love, understanding and support how lucky Sinnarn is to have him there. Although I wonder how he took the news initially! Will we see Legolas and Sinnarn's 're-union' this one will be especially hard I think uncle and nephew warrior and officer and Legolas no doubt feeling guilty for putting Sinnarn in that situation initially and then finding him drunk on duty What a wonderful chapter thank you

Author's reply

Wow, Jebb. I'm glad you found this moving. I wanted it to be clear that Sinnarn was ashamed and humiliated, but that his family also made it clear they loved him. He's lucky to have that support really, even though in some ways, he has to feel pain over the fact that he disappointed all these people who care about him, friends as well as family. As a parent, I do feel for Ithilden too. It must have been hard to work knowing that Sinnarn was in the outer office. And then, as you say, what could be worse than having Tinar sneering at you? Ack!!! I suspect that Thranduil let his displeasure over the Dwarves escape be heard quite clearly over night. But I also suspect that the person who bore the brunt of that would be Ithilden. He's in charge, after all. Thranduil would make it clear that Ithilden was to do whatever it would take to make things right.

Jay of Lasgalen · 25 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

All in all, that wasn't quite as bad as I expected - though I expect it felt bad enough for Sinnarn. Knowing he'd let *everyone* down, nursing a hangover, and bearing his father's disappointment must have been hard. Poor Sinnarn - especially when they don't believe he only had one cup. The biggest surprise here was Thranduil. Everyone else reacted much as I expected, including Tinar, but I expected Thraduil would be ballistic. I'd have liked to see the scene when Ithilden told him. Perhaps he's had time to calm down during the day? His support and advice was very loving.

Author's reply

I think the hardest part would be telling the truth about having only one cup and having that make matters worse because people think you're lying. How frustrating that would be! I suspect you're right that Thranduil had time to calm down during the day. And if he yelled at anyone, I think it would be Ithilden, actually. He was in charge. He'd been home only a week, of course, but the buck stops on his desk. I don't think Thranduil would want to interfere with Ithilden as Sinnarn's father or with the officers who commanded Sinnarn. He'd start at the top and expect things to work their way down, which they did. Then he'd turn into Grandfather. :-)

lwarren · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Can I say it once more, with feeling? POOR SINNARN! I thought you balanced his abject humiliation well with the love of his family. As for his punishment, thank goodness for good friends who still sat with him while he was waiting for the axe to fall. He definitely deserved to be punished, but holding a place lower than Tinar, how devastating, especially for the grandson of the King. Then having to stand all day at attention waiting for one measly message finally to deliver was a masterstroke...there's nothing worse than watching the world go by, knowing one's Adar is in the next room, and that everyone who sees you KNOWS all about what happened! Also, nothing is worse than "I am so disappointed in you" - a screaming rant is easier to live with. Thranduil - I wanted to hug him...the way he acted and the words he said were just right. The boy had been through it...now let's learn from the mistake, but you know I still love you *sniff*. What a great grandfather! And Emmelin, bless her heart, made me sob, too! What a sweetheart...(hope she gives a piece of her mind to him after she kisses him senseless! LOL) Just a great chapter - was waiting for this one breathlessly after ESCAPE! linda p.s. I've been reading this great story faithfully, but haven't been able to review...wanted you to know how I love the way this is woven into THE HOBBIT, and how ticked off I am right now at Bilbo and the dwarfs! :-) One more thing, read your little threat to Tinar....ROTFL....could just see you there, shaking your finger at him and saying, "You'd better behave...remember, I HAVE THE POWER!" *snicker*

Author's reply

You sum up the whole situation so well in your first paragraph, Linda. He can even hear his father's voice sometimes! And I don't expect Ithilden enjoyed the sight of him every time he came out of his office either, or having visitors see his son there, or just knowing he was there and so unhappy. Aaargh! I think I have to go and hit the Dorwinion. This is bad. No, I know! I'll write the next chapter and try to move things along a little. I thought about have Thranduil rave too, but it didn't seem right. He wouldn't want to step on Ithilden's toes as Sinnarn's father or on the toes of the officers who command Sinnarn. So it seemed the perfect opportunity for Grandfather to draw on his wisdom and give the kid some good advice. I was really glad when I got to write about Emmelin showing up. It made me feel better. Glad you're enjoying the story. It's an odd one for me to write because readers essentially know the story already; they know how things will come out. So sometimes I think this has to be boring. But it's been surprisingly funny to write (though this chapter wasn't) and readers seem to be enjoying it.

Bodkin · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

I really must stop doing multiple reviews, but things just pop into your head! I hope Sinnarn doesn't end up deciding that he is responsible for the whole Battle of the Five Armies and the death of all those elves, because his drunken stupor allowed the escape of the dwarves - that would be unbearable for the poor poor elf. Tinar - one elf who would benefit from having his head bitten off by a dragon. Headless, he would be much more tolerable. I'm sure Calith would agree. Nithron and Amdir - good supporters. And standing at attention all day - how awful - I'm surprised he could manage it, it's terribly difficult.

Author's reply

With talk of the dragon and all, I see we're thinking ahead. I don't think Sinnarn would feel responsible for the battle taking place, and unfortunately, Bard kills the dragon before the elves show up so I can't dispose of Tinar's head that way. But it's a thought! Maybe he can carry a message to Esgaroth and be there on that fateful day. Is standing at attention all day exceedindly hard? I thought it would be uncomfortable but hadn't realized it would be hard to do. I suppose one would tend to relax after a while.

Bodkin · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Poor, poor Sinnarn. His fate has been keeping me awake at night! Those wretched dwarves! That dratted Hobbit! The humiliation of being considered less than Tinar - it doesn't bear thinking about. And he still has to face his mother properly! Yet he's right - he needs to be with his family and get the worst over. Legolas tried to offer him some support - but who was going to believe Galion that the Wine Fairy had been treating them to the Magic Porridge Pot. Thranduil's speech reminded me of Legolas's Turgon-moment - what can you say at a time like this once the ranting has been done? I'm glad Emmelin was waiting for him - and that Thranduil tacitly accepted her presence. Poor, poor Sinnarn.

Author's reply

Standing at attention with Tinar there would have about killed any sensible person. Thank goodness Sinnarn's family made it clear they loved him. Things at home will be okay for him I think after this first day. He'll be glad to crawl home at night and lick his wounds in privacy. It occurred to me that both Sinnarn and Galion would protest they had only one cup and no one would believe them. Indeed explaining that made things worse because Ithilden and Todith thought they were lying. Thranduil really came through. He gave Sinnarn good advice and sent him on his way to Emmelin's arms. She doesn't care what happened. She loves him anyway. Bless her.

Rose Sared · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Masterly, you deal with emotions so well, I ended up with tears of sympathy in my eyes. Great, wonderful, any other superlative you feel like applying. Rose

Author's reply

Thank you, Rose. I was really glad to finish writing that chapter. When I got to the point where I had only Thranduil and Emmelin left to write about, I perked up and felt better because I knew they would be loving and Sinnarn sure needed that. *I* needed that!

Cormak/Gwenneth · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Poor Sinnarn. I felt so badly for him. Having to stand at attention and being ignored. This chapter was very well done as have been all the others before it. I truly enjoy your writing. I was curious, do you intend to write any stories that take place after the ring has been destroyed?

Author's reply

Thank you! Being at attention and ignored would really make you feel low, I think, like you weren't worth noticing. And yet, it's also not cruel in the sense that no one has hit him. He hasn't even been confined to a cell. He's just been humiliated beyond belief! Poor guy. In my list of stories to write one day is one about Legolas's return to the Woodland Realm after the Ring War. I think that stories set after the war are hard to write, though, because you've lost that sense that every action this character takes is building to this big event in the future. You know about the event, but the character doesn't. I think that's one of the things that can give fan fic an extra layer of tension, and you've lost that really after the Quest.

erunyauve · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

I can certainly sympathize with Sinnarn - there is nothing worse than a disappointed parent. Of course, I can imagine that disgrace as an elf is pretty difficult - you've got thousands of years ahead of you and no one will forget what you did. But to be put in a position to have even Tinar look down on you... . But grandparents are wonderful, aren't they? And I loved Emmelin's reaction - at least Sinnarn knows now that she loves him.

Author's reply

I wondered about elven longevity and disgrace. The long view that elves can take might also give them a sense of proportion, so that they know that everything passes and a person who was disgraced one day can be in better shape a few hundred years down the road. Of course, that still wouldn't make it any easier to have Tinar around right now. Thranduil knew that Sinnarn had a father of his own and didn't need him to say the same things. Also, of course, he had had time to cool down. And yes, Emmelin made it clear that she loved him. He needed that!

Nilmandra · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Well, this was painful to read the third time around too! Poor Sinnarn! Have I said that enough? Can you write faster, so that the truth can be foudn out? PoI felt his pain - this was gut wrenching to read :S

Author's reply

It was painful to write! I was so depressed about halfway through that I just wanted to go to bed and stay there. Just remember: Emmelin loves him and doesn't care!

Anonymous · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

I hope poor Sinnarn gets a chance to do something heroic before the story is over just to move him up a little in everyone's eyes. Course, on the other hand, people who are as desperately disappointed in themselves as Sinnarn must be tend to make poor decisions. Probably best to keep him out of harms way.

Author's reply

It does seem as if someone in Sinnarn's situation might be looking for a chance to prove themselves, doesn't it? And Mirkwood is still a dangerous place. That could cause problems.

Anonymous · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Thank you so much for being extra fast with this. We were all dying. This is perfect too. Sinnarn needed a serious punishment. The military can not play around with this type of mistake. People's lives depend on you. Even one cup was too much. So the punishment is appropriate.But it is also wicked. To be lower than Tinár is seriously humiliating. On the other hand, Sinnarn's family needs to support him and help him learn. And that is what they did. Thranduil was perfect, I think. And so was Emmelin. She seems like her father's daughter. A very sweet girl and loyal to Sinnarn like her father was to Legolas. Loved this chapter. I don't think there is anything you could change to make it more perfect.

Author's reply

Yes, that's what I thought too. His officers really had to treat this seriously. Being drunk on duty could cause serious problems. Well, actually of course, it did! The prisoners escaped. Tinar would be the worst part of this, wouldn't he? What a jerk. Thank goodness Sinnarn's family made it clear that they loved him, even though they were horrified. But Emmelin, the sweetie, didn't even take the time to tell him he'd done wrong. She didn't care. She loved him anyway. Thank god. By the time I got to writing that part of the chapter, I was as glad to see her as Sinnarn was. I like your observation that she's like Annael. That seems true to me. Thank you for your kind words.

nessie · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Aww! Now I feel even more sorry for poor Sinnarn! Nobody believes that he only had one cup! I'm so glad Emmelin doesn't care about what happened! Now we know that she probably actually does love him! I thought it was good of Thranduil to say that to Sinnarn. It made him feel worse...but then he felt better afterwards. I feel sorry for Calith too, having to deal with Tinar all day. That poor, poor soul. Well, I loved this, update asap! ~nessie~

Author's reply

I feel bad for him too. My beta's main comment on this chapter was "poor Sinnarn!" Emmelin's unconditional love must be a great comfort to him. His whole family made it clear they loved him, I think. They just couldn't stop the sky from falling on him. And yes, Tinar would be the worst part.

Tapetum Lucidum · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

Discipline is always best meted out when one is suffering from a hangover. Everything is 10 times worse. I guess it is one ailment that the elves suffer from just like mortals. Poor Sinnarn - the old "I'm very disappointed in you" routine is always worse than a cursing fit. I am sure both his parents are disappointed in him. Amdir was indeed a good friend to accompany Sinnarn into the office. It would have been easier to turn around or sit somewhere else. I know the young elf appreciated it. Legolas tried to stand up for him but there was really no way to defend the elf's actions. Poor Sinnarn. You are truly evil when it comes to dishing out punishment. Being forced to serve as a lowly courier is humiliating. Having to face his father on a daily basis and be reminded of his mistake is terrible. But by far the worst thing is having to see Tinar on a regular basis. How cruel can you be?! Thranduil handled the young one well. Yes, he made a mistake but it is not the end of the world. I am quite sure he learned from it. Please don't put him in charge of guarding Gollum. I think that would be a good job for Tinar. It was good to have Emmelin waiting for him at the end of the day. He needs a nice shoulder to cry on.

Author's reply

I think discipline (such as a partner's outraged comments on behavior at a party) gets meted out when one is suffering from a hangover because what one did while drunk was probably stupid. :-) Can you imagine having Tinar lording it over you? I couldn't stand it. I sent him off to the wilds for four or five days, and if he doesn't behave himself, I'm going to kill him. He is on my last nerve. Thranduil was wise and knew that Sinnarn already had a father and a captain. What he needed was someone to offer him good advice. And Emmelin turned out to be one of those girls who finds bad boys attractive. Annael is lying down with a cold cloth on his head.

Manderly · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 11: Sinnarn's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

What can I say but POOR SINNARN! Do you think if I scream really loudly from where I am that it's not really his fault, that the elves would hear me and ease off on poor Sinnarn? The humiliation that Sinnarn is feeling must be totally overwhelming. I was overwhelmed by it. But he dealt with it quite courageously, I thought and I really hope he's given another chance to redeem himself. Thank goodness for Thranduil and Emmelin. Their standing by him must be enough to pull him back from total dispair. And Legolas' compassion shows through again. A really great chapter even though it made me feel Sinnarn's humiliation and pain every word of the way.

Author's reply

I know. It made me squirm to write this stuff. I tried to make it clear that Sinnarn's family loves him but feels they can't spare him this. There's nothing they can do once things have been set in motion. Sigh.

Lera · 24 June 2004 · Chapter 10: Escape

Ohhhh, poor Sinnarn. I feel so bad for him, he is going to be raked over the coals for this, and it wasn't really even his fault! And he really is such a good guy, realizing it would be unfair to rearange the guard schedule just so he'd be able to go to the feast. Was it Bilbo who kept refilling his glass? Oh, durn those dwarves!!! Here's something I've always wondered about The Hobbit. Why didn't Gandalf tell Thranduil what was going on, or give the dwarves and Bilbo a letter to give to the king to secure them safe passage way? Then this whole mess would never have happened, and poor Sinnarn wouldn't be in this horrible mess. Oh, this sucks for him. Anyway, I like how you've shown the elves being uncertain about what life will be like now. You didn't make everything perfect immediately, but made it real. I bet if Ithilden could have a little taste of forsight and see that because the White Counsel didn't follow and completely destroy Sauron, his little brother Legolas would have to do it later, he'd be following Sauron by himself! Although, I guess it wouldn't actually be possible to completely destroy Sauron since the ring was still lost would it? Hmm. Oh, well. Wonderful chapter. This is new for me, knowing basically what's going to happen, but I love how you've done it! Good work, keep it up, and don't hurt poor Sinnarn more than you have to. Oh, this is not going to make a good impression on Emmelin or her parents at all is it? Update soon please!

Author's reply

I feel bad for Sinnarn too. I actually feel guilty for making him the "head guard," knowing that this was going to happen. And I did mean to suggest that Bilbo distracted them and then refilled their glasses. I couldn't let Sinnarn be TOO irresponsible. I have no idea why Gandalf didn't help the Dwarves into Thranduil's good graces. I suppose that really Tolkien hadn't thought all this through when he wrote "The Hobbit." He spent a fair amount of time later trying to fit the stories together well (sort of like I'm doing only, you know, he was Tolkien -- :-)) I keep trying to imagine what things like the departure of Sauron would feel like to real people, really living through it. Even after Sauron was destroyed when the One Ring went into the Crack of Doom, there were still orcs and bad men around. They didn't vanish or anything. So they're still around in my story. But Sauron's departure seems to have helped the woods somehow. It's hard to imagine.

Bodkin · 23 June 2004 · Chapter 10: Escape

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that at least one person (Emmelin) is so sorry for poor, agonised, tormented, in-deep-deep-trouble Sinnarn, that she feel impelled to offer him some support in the hugs and kisses department. It could be the one good thing - if everybody else is against him, she might need to offer more love than she otherwise would. I just cannot think of anything that is terrible enough to be the likely punishment for the poor young elf. After all, he's too old for the stand in the corner routine. This is surely Sinnarn's Turgon-moment. Just keep him safe in the battle - he can do something heroic if you like, but no serious injury, right? - just a bit of peripheral bleeding - and certainly no death!

Author's reply

Ah, Bodkin, I've just been writing about Sinnarn's terrible, no-good, very bad, awful day, and it does kind of go on and on. Poor guy.

erunyauve · 23 June 2004 · Chapter 10: Escape

Oh, oh, oh! Sinnarn is never going to live this down. When Thranduil finishes with Legolas, and Ithilden finishes with Sinnarn, whatever is left of Sinnarn is in deep trouble with his uncle. I did feel a little badly for Todith and Legolas that Ithilden had the impression that the Home Guard had been lax in their duties during his absence. I haven't forgotten about Ithilden's dream of Sinnarn in the Battle of Five Armies - you have certainly put him in the position to be reckless in the battle, but I hope he will survive it - I've become very fond of him!

Author's reply

I think Sinnarn's family is struggling to separate warrior from son/nephew/grandson right now so that they can deal with each part appropriately. Todith, on the other hand, probably has no such qualms. He wants every bit of Sinnarn in a sling.

Tapetum Lucidum · 23 June 2004 · Chapter 10: Escape

You didn't list the jeweled letter opener on Thranduil's desk as one of your regular characters. It shows up quite often. With Thranduil's experience you can't blame him for being a little more guarded in his joy at Sauron's expulsion. Evil has returned many times. It is good to see that at least Ithilden is excited about the situation. They will find out soon enough about the location of the orcs in the mountains. Hearing the juxtaposition of Sinnarn and Alfirin's reactions to the appearance of the Naugrim was amusing. Their perceptions were night and day - Sinnarn must really take after Eilian. This does not bode well for the relationship between the elves and dwarves. Why does Celuwen get to call him Adar when his sons do not? Is it a military thing? I have no doubt Celuwen is fully aware of Eilian's pending leave. It is no fun to miss a big party. You did well writing Sinnarn's POV. He is a little sulky but mature enought to accept his fate. OK, drinking with Galion was not a wise move but surely 1 glass of Dorwinion would not affect him much. It will certainly ease his pain a little. Poor Legolas - we finally think he is actually going to enjoy a party when all Mordor breaks loose again. I was glad he was the one to discover Sinnarn's indiscretion. Good job making his common sense over-rule his protectiveness of his nephew. Passing out drunk and allowing prisoners to escape is not good for one's military career. Even if their father is commander in chief. Separating Alfirin and Ithilden was also a wise move. The youngest prince is getting wiser and wiser. Let Ithilden tell Thranduil?... If you insist. I would not want to be Sinnarn in the morning. You did a good job manipulating the situation to keep the elves from looking quite so foolish when the dwarves escaped.

Author's reply

I think relations between the elves and dwarves are about to take several hits actually. But Thranduil is definitely not a happy camper. Thranduil's sons call him Adar when they're not on duty (or when he's ticked off), and I think Celuwen would call him "my lord" in the council chamber. It was really tricky to try to work out Sinnarn's actions so he didn't appear to be too neglectful. I figure he might have had wine with a meal even on duty. Elves drank the stuff like water. But the poor guy. A little Dorwinion and his judgment goes and then someone kept topping up the flagons. I thought that Legolas and Sinnarn are close enough in age that they might have covered for one another occasionally, but Legolas just can't do it any more. He's an officer now. Sigh. And yeah, I'd let someone else tell Thranduil too.

Duchess · 23 June 2004 · Chapter 10: Escape

LOL I love it that the Dwarves and Bilbo escaped, but OH DEAR for poor Sinnarn! How will he EVER get through this, the shame and... WHAT will his punishment be? *making a face* I can't even imagine how Thranduil will react other than to explode. *wincing at the thought* Poor Sinnarn! Poor Ithilden and Alfirin too. *shaking my head*

Author's reply

Sinnarn is in for a hard time and no doubt about it. And as your remarks suggest, eveyone who loves him is likely to be in pain too. The escape of the Dwarves is much easier to cheer for when I read The Hobbit than it is here.