Wow, I get home from vacation and find four updates. You've been very busy writing while I was visiting Micky, Minnie, and the gang! I enjoyed all of the chapters and love how you are weaving parts of the book into this story. Sinnarn's musing about his relationship with his parents and his desire to keep living with them and how his feelings compare to a human's feeling and actions were thought-provoking. Obviously those adolescent years for elves don't spark the same reaction as their adolescent human counterparts. Some days I think that my daughter will go bonkers before she can leave for college this fall-or else her poor mother will!
Author's reply
"Some days I think that my daughter will go bonkers before she can leave for college this fall-or else her poor mother will!"
Spoken like someone who has just been on vacation with her children! Actually, I don't think things always go smoothly for elves either. The novice masters recommended Legolas go to a border patrol rather than the Home Guard for his first posting because he was uncomfortable under the constant scrutiny of his father and Ithilden. I think it's probably hard to become an independent adult in many cultures.
Rose Sared
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Its one of those weird canon glitches that Bilbo could run around for so long wearing the one ring, with Sauron looking over his shoulder almost, and not be either visible to the dark lord or more enslaved by the ring. Still canon it is and masterfully woven into this story. I love the way you manage to have our sympathies with the elves rather than those intensly irritating Dwarves. What fun.
Still enjoying this immensly
Rose
Author's reply
It IS weird! Of course, Tolkien didn't really have the whole scheme of things in mind yet when he wrote The Hobbit. And supposedly the hobbits were less corruptible than other people because they weren't interested in power.
The dwarves are making poor Sinnarn just crazy. And that's too bad because he was nicely open-minded about them.
White Wolf
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
An answer suddenly dawned on me, when you put all the strange occurrences together in one sentence (in your reply to my last review). Is Hoobbit loose in the palace?
Author's reply
Yes, indeed. Very good!
daw
sofia
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
its funny to read about Bilbo with the ring on, running loose around the palace. Update soon.
-sofia
Author's reply
I have to just hint at Bilbo's presence because, of course, none of the Elves know he's there. But he does make these little forays to get food and to look for escape routes. I think he's about ready to lead the Dwarves out of there.
Duchess
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Very good! Loved it and look forward to "seeing" how the Dwarves' escape sets the kingdom on it's collective ear. *giggle* Bilbo is getting lax in his sneaking about, isn't he? *vbg* Poor Legolas, thinking his mind or nerves are playing tricks on him. *snicker*
More please?!? I know, I'm greedy but I can't help it! LOL
Author's reply
The elves must think they're going crazy. I think we need a party to celebrate Ithilden's news, don't you? There could be wine at it!
SasseyJ
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Another wonderful story, which I expect every time I see your name as author. You handle Legolas growing to adulthood very well, and I just love his brother and their relationships with one another and their father.
I keep expecting Legolas or his nephew to find Bilbo out and help him. I have found it quite amusing that Legolas and the other elves are still searching for that poor lost child, Hobbit. I can't wait for the Battle of Five Armies and only hope that Legolas's brothers and nephew all survive it.
Sassey
Author's reply
Thank you, SasseyJ. Legolas is close to being Legolas of the Fellowship now. I think I'll have to go back and write some youngling tales though. I miss young Legolas.
The Dwarves think it's amusing that Legolas is still searching for Hobbit too. From Legolas's point of view, of course, they're just unbelievably callous. But from everyone else's point of view, it's funny.
Bodkin
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
What an enjoyable chapter. I just loved the romantic touch with Sinnarn and Emmelin - (you couldn't be so cruel as to prevent True Love!)- with sweet Annael becoming the enraged adar. Probably not a good tactic to run, Sinnarn -makes you look guilty.
Those Great Doors must have been a pain - it sounds a good plan until you realise that enraged Thranduil has to be found and placated to open them. I'm not surprised Sinnarn popped round to Amdir's house. But really - thinking that Alfirin wouldn't miss him - what an incurable optimist.
The keepers - their protectees must become really close to them over the years - they have probably spent more hours together than they do with their wives and families.
I do like Celuwen - (you couldn't be that cruel!) - she and Eilian definitely need an elfling. Good for her, making it plain that she was not Thranduil's pawn - and managing it without upsetting him.
Interesting reactions to the Dol Guldur news - they have lost their focus and they are all unravelled.
(I am worried about your excursion into mass elf murder. There are elves here I just don't want to lose.)
Author's reply
Those doors are real pain to me too. I had to keep trying to figure out how they could even conduct normal business. But in The Hobbit, Tolkien plainly says they were closed most of the time and by magic. I suppose Sinnarn comforted himself with the idea that his mother would know he was reasonably intact through her bond with him. But I'm sure she worried anyway.
I've thought that about the keepers too. They must act almost paternally at first when the young Thranduilion is just starting and they're always there to guide and protect. Thranduil did a good job of choosing them too because they also seem to be discreet. They don't carry tales home.
It seemed to me that if you had spent your whole life struggling against Sauron in the south and he went away, you might actually feel a little bereft. Odd but true.
Don't worry too much, Bodkin. There are elves I don't want to lose either and my beta has laid down the law about a couple more.
White Wolf
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Poor Sinnarn was really frustrated with the assignment he thought he was going to enjoy and learn from.
That feeling that made Legolas jump sounds like a foreshadowing of something that may not be pleasant.
Author's reply
I do feel sorry for Sinnarn. He's being badly rewarded for his open-mindedness.
Legolas feels something he can't see, a vase gets knocked off a table, Sinnarn's breakfast disappears. It's almost as if the palace has a ghost. :-)
nessie
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Oh yay! I'm so glad Ithilden's home! So Sinnarn and Emmelin are falling in looove! How sweet! I think Annael thought about something else with those leaves...And Bilbo/Hobbit is haunting the palace! And eating Sinnarn's food too! So Celuwen noticed something...Hmmm...Well, I loved this chapter so update asap!
~nessie~
Author's reply
I'm glad Ithilden is home too. His family needs him. And they needed to hear the news he brought too. What a shock that must have been!
Sinnarn and Emmelin are kind of sweet. They're less complicated lovers that Eilian and Celuwen were. I'm not sure Annael is softening up much, though.
Bilbo is floating around the palace making a nuisance of himself. How odd that must have been. They must have all thought they were losing their grip a little.
Anonymous
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Another great chapter. Yes, I agree with what you've said in your answers to the reviews that Legolas and his brothers are all going to feel a little lost if the forest does become safer. Legolas more than the others because he's never know anything else. Not that he would not want to see the forest healthy and safe--he would of course. It just would make him do a little searching for himself. After all, he goes on the Quest and then when Sauron really is destroyed he searches for purpose all the way to Ithilien so we know he has a strong need to be accomplishing something. I think it is very interesting to plant that seed all the way back at the time of The Hobbit.
I will chime in with everyone that I loved the younger generation elves in interaction with their elders (Thranduil with his kids, Annael with his etc). It must be a very strange thing to have your parents live forever--especially when you throw in to the mix that your father is a king.
I fear for Todith's future.
Love this so far--it made me get out The Hobbit and reread it. You are doing a fantastic job with this!
Author's reply
That's a very interesting observation about Legolas seeking purpose. I suppose in a way he was brought up to be trying to accomplish something rather than to be content singing and dancing in the woods. If that were the case, it would be hard to just kick back and relax.
I've been thinking about the parents/child thing because the time of the quest is fast approaching, and Legolas does go off to help Frodo rather than go home to help the Woodland Realm (which took some real hits during the war).
Rereading The Hobbit is a good thing. ;-)
French Pony
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
I hear that you are planning on bumping off some of your characters. Do you think it's very wicked of me to have been thinking about which ones are expendable and would make interesting drama if they bought it? And to have made some choices already? I wouldn't tell you which ones, of course, but I can definitely tell which ones in whose general direction I'd point the Fickle Finger of Fate.
So Celuwen has tried to be a dutiful wife to Eilian? Uh-huh. Perhaps Thranduil is interested in purchasing a nice bridge in Khazad-dum that I just happen to have for sale. . . .
The Dwarves have a secret, and the Elves have a poltergeist. It's wonderful to see them so earnestly barking up this particular tree, and I'm sure it's amusing the Dwarves no end.
It's true. All mothers have the same script. I've seen it. There's a book called "Momilies" that gives some of the classic lines. I'm sure that both Beliniel and Alfirin have used them all. "Do you want your face to freeze that way?" "The things I do for you." "I'm cold; put on a cloak." "There are starving children in Lake Town who would just love that food." And, of course, the ever-classic "I hope you have Elflings just like you."
The message of the trees has been revealed, and everyone is running around in shock. This is a big change for the Elves, and it'll take a lot of getting used to, especially for the Southern Patrol. I can imagine that in days to come, they'll find themselves bleeding off a lot of pent-up stress. Elves with PTSD is a sight to behold. They'll need to take extra-special care of themselves.
From the human side of things, I'm amazed that Elf families can stand living with each other as long as they do. You'd think that, after the first few centuries, nanas and adas might get fed up enough with their offspring to kick them out of the nest, assuming the offspring hadn't already felt desperately confined and fled the nest much earlier. Maybe that's why the British royal family is so messed up. Chuck is in his fifties and is still essentially living with his mother.
Author's reply
When I was planning this story, I actually made a list of OCs who could die. It was pretty long. Then I read the last chaper of "The Hobbit" carefully and my beta fainted dead away at one or two suggestions, and I had to modify the list a little. :-)
I don't think the Eilian and Celuwen will ever have a calm relationship, particularly in their current circumstances. He'll be home on leave soon, so we can watch them a little then.
With Sauron gone, I wondered if Legolas might feel as if his reason for existing was gone. I mean, I'm sure he's glad that there might be peace (although it turns out there's less peace than they hope) but it must feel that his usefulness is diminished.
Living with my parents as an adult would not have been a good thing. All I can say is, Elves must be different.
Dot
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
Excellent, excellent, excellent! You know, you update so frequently that I really couldn’t ask for any more from you but I’m just so engrossed in this that it’s actually painful not to be able to keep reading… *sigh*
I’m really very fond of Sinnarn. He and Emmelin are so sweet together. No gloves so that they can hold hands, eh? Who knew you were such a romantic?! It’s lovely watching them, though. I mean, Eilian and Celuwen were always so passionate, even when they were having problems, it turned out that Ithilden was a bit of a dork when he was in love and poor Legolas always seemed to end up in a bother with the maidens but these two are just adorable together! I love their playfulness, throwing leaves and laughing with each other, everything else around them forgotten. It’s such a pity that they were late enough to worry Annael so much. I’m sure he knows that Emmelin wouldn’t really have been doing anything she shouldn’t have been but he’s hardly likely to think much of someone who had his daughter out in a potentially dangerous forest so late at night.
It sounds like Sinnarn is getting a bit fed-up with the Dwarves. I kind of feel sorry for him because he’s always been so very eager to talk to them. “I heard one of them talking to himself again this morning.” Oh, that’d be the invisible hobbit, I imagine!
You’re right, it is a pain having the Great Doors sealed. For Sinnarn, it must be like going out for the night and then having to ring the doorbell when you get home because you’ve forgotten your key. Luckily Amdir’s parents sound as if they haven’t changed one iota!
Poor Alfirin. It does seem that she needs Ithilden back. At least she didn’t go and rouse Thranduil when Sinnarn didn’t come home. “Ithilden would not put up with any behavior that upset Sinnarn’s mother.” That was always the worst thing we could do as well in my father’s eyes – upset my mother. Come to think of it, it still is.
I really liked the bit with Sinnarn thinking about his family. I think it’s wonderful that Elves are so close in that way and that their family is so important to them, and so much a part of their identity. When you look at it through his eyes it almost seems wrong to do as Men do and leave parents and family behind! But then, Sinnarn is very lucky in the family that he has.
I feel so bad for Legolas. He’s really at his wits end about the lost child. At least he’s keeping the Dwarves amused, I suppose. And probably Bilbo as well.
You’re doing a brilliant job showing Bilbo’s presence. “If you want more, you only need to ask.” LOL! Poor Sinnarn. He’s becoming thoroughly disgruntled and I certainly don’t blame him. I think maybe he needs a little drink…;-)
Celuwen doesn’t seem to be faring much better than Alfirin. In fact, it must be more difficult for her because of the fact that she’s still not entirely at ease in this family, and especially if Legolas isn’t around much either. Plus, Alfirin can visit her family as often as she wants and has just had plenty of time with them planning the wedding. I had to laugh at Celuwen thinking that Eilian must be asleep if he’s serene! I thought it was quite touching that Thranduil noticed her mood and asks after her, even when he is still so clearly troubled by the changes in the forest. He really cares about her and must feel awful if he thinks she’s unhappy. I love that she isn’t afraid of him and he doesn’t seem to mind at all. They have a fairly easy relationship that even he and his sons can’t quite manage.
Ah yay, Ithilden is back! I was quite surprised that they’d spread the news so quickly. I would have thought that the king would have been the first to know. I guess they were just too excited. Everyone seems completely astonished. It must indeed be strange for people like Legolas who have never known peace, and peace is something that at this particular moment in time must seem possible to them again. Without Sauron, Orcs and spiders would be easier to handle. Don’t you sometimes wish you didn’t know what the future holds…
“I cannot tell you how happy I am to have you home, my lord.” That’s hysterical. Poor Todith. Stubborn Dwarves, scary spiders and an elusive Dwarf-child obviously seem to him to be much more attractive to deal with than Thranduil. I’m sure Ithilden understands.
Bilbo is apparently causing havoc with stolen food, broken vases and accidentally bumping into Elves. Still, it’s kind of fun watching them all get a little freaked-out;-)
Oh, that was such a great chapter. How’ll I wait? I think I should take up yoga or something to help me relax between chapters…
Author's reply
I'm glad you liked both the Sinnarn and Celuwen sections. I got interested in them as I wrote. I haven't written much about either one, especially Sinnarn, and he's been kind of taking shape in my head in this story. In both of those sections, I was interested in the relationship of adult elves to their parents, who are not about to hand control over to the next generation. So I was playing a little with the idea of Elven families and houses. Sinnarn is lucky though, you're right. Ithilden and Alfirin were very good parents. You are wicked to suggest that Sinnarn needs a little drink!!!
I don't think that Eilian would be easy to be married to in some ways. So I imagine they have to keep working things out, especially since they can't really settle down into normal life together.
I did wonder if Ithilden would try to hold his news to give it to his father, but I thought that with a group the size of his escort, someone was going to blab and then it would be all over. And I couldn't think of any real reason for withholding the information.
I wondered if Legolas might feel a little as if he'd lost his reason for being. The thing he's spent his life fighting against seems gone -- although as we know, it isn't really. It just moved.
Todith amused me. No one was happier to see Ithilden than he was.
Dragon-of-the-North
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
A lovely chapter once again (yes, I am still reading, even though my reviews are infrequent)! The elves' reactions to Bilbo's presence and their interpretations of its signs are too precious (I chuckled very much over the servant assuming that Sinnarn was very greedy with his breakfast and not admitting it). And small wonder the dwarves are somewhat amused as well... Do not hit me now, but I think I am beginning to understand why Gimli must have considered Legolas as quite a ridiculous figure later... The elven prince who thought it takes two male dwarves to make a hobbit! ;-)
Again, I enjoyed Thranduil very much in this. His interaction with Celuwen was especially well-written (I believe he does not only like to be king of the Woodland Realm, but also king in his house ;-)), but I also liked his and Legolas' reaction in the ending - the sheer astonishment that the Enemy is gone from where he has been for such a long time, joy not really setting in yet (in spite of the "celebratory cups of wine") because coming to terms with the new situation and understanding it fully will take time... Very good.
The Sinnarn part of the chapter was great fun - it seems it is the Curse of the House of Oropher to have to deal with suspicious prospective fathers-in-law! And it adds to the fun that it is Annael who takes the role of a member of the "older" generation now! Oh, but I was very disappointed that the "sealed doors" problem was simply solved by staying with Amdir and walking in in the morning - for a split second, I had dared hope for a hilarious grand plan along the lines of trying an "attack" by swimming to the trapdoor in the cellars and trying to break it open... If only because a dripping wet Sinnarn walking into his grandfather's bedchamber, announcing: "I have found a weak point - the orcs could be upon us at any time! We should post guards... or repair that trapdoor, at least..." would have been very hilarious... (Ignore me! ;-) You know I tend to develop very silly stories now and then).
So, brilliant chapter once again! :-) I am looking forward to the next one!
Author's reply
You really can see why the Dwarves thought the elves were bizarre and why Legolas might not have been fond of dwarves when the Fellowship was formed. He meant so well, and came out looking so stupid.
I am interested in the relationship of adult elves and their parents, particularly in Thranduil's children, whose father has authority over them as king. I thought Sinnarn and Celuwen would deal with those things differently, given their histories.
And don't you think it would have taken time to get used to the absence of Sauron? At first, it might have felt to Legolas as if he had lost his reason for being. Of course, as things turned out, there was still a lot of defense to be done.
Your scenario for Sinnarn's return was hilarious! By the way, have you read Jodancingtree's story "Following the Other Wizard"? It has good Orcs, DOTN.
Estel_Mi_Olor
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
I really liked that chapter, Daw. It was very funny to read about the Dwarves conversing with themselves, the vase tipping over, and Sinnarn's breakfast disappearing, and knowing that it was all Bilbo wearing the Ring. Very well done.
I am so glad Ithilden is home! Well, no more than Todith. He will restore some semblance of calm. Perhaps since Legolas has proved to be so competent serving in his position as unofficial leader of the Home Guard, somebody might take it into their heads to promote him? I was just wondering of course...
Poor Celuwen, I knew she would be lonely. She knew it too. I can see how she would feel closest to Legolas. It is good that they are friends. But now that the Shadow has sort of left the South, Eilian might come home more often? That would be good for everyone.
Sinnarn and Emmelin are so cute! Reminds me of Ithilden and Alifrin when they were courting. Poor Annael, they must have given him a heart attack, coming home so late. Well, no more than Sinnarn did to Alifrin, so that's fair.
I can't wait to see what will happen next. Ithilden will be told about everything, and vice versa, so that will be interesting. And the Dwarves' escape will be great! Oh, but poor Sinnarn, he'll be blamed, won't he? Well, I'll wait and see. Cheers and keep writing!
Author's reply
Things do make more sense when you know it's Bilbo, don't they? ;-)
Ithilden is going to have some information to give and some to take in in the next chapter. I can just see him trying to sort out what happened while he was gone. After all his efforts to get his father to buy weapons from the Dwarves, etc., chaos broke loose when he was away.
It was fun in this chapter to develop Sinnarn a little and try to guess what Celuwen and Eilian's marriage has been like so far. In the next chapter, we'll get back to more eventful action.
Ms. Whatsit
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
I love the way you put Invisible!Bilbo into the story. Poor Elves--they get so put-upon in this story, don't they? Obnoxious Dwarves crash their party and make a mess and refuse even to tell them where they're going (I'd lock the Dwarves up, too!), an invisible hobbit wreaks havoc in their castle, dwarves and hobbit escape making the elves look dumb...poor things.
Sinnarn, you want to be careful about showing up at Annael's door with his daughter in a disheveled condition. You really do.
Legolas is really too cute--"Hobbit is your son, is he not?" Does the Dwarf know Legolas thinks he's Bilbo's *mother*, I wonder? That would be funny. I wonder if Legolas ever finds out who Bilbo really is. I suppose he does at the Battle of the Five Armies, right? He'd feel so stupid.
And I liked the part with Celuwen. I love how she stands up to Thranduil. "Send her" to visit her parents, indeed! Celuwen will come and go as she wants. Given Thranduil's control-freak nature, I'd love to see the scene where Beliond tells him that Legolas is going with the Fellowship...and also the scene where Legolas tells him that he's going to run off to Ithilien with a chunk of Mirkwood's population. That would be quite amusing. Poor Thranduil--at least he has dutiful Ithilden to keep him sane!
Author's reply
The Elves in general are upset by the Dwarves, and Legolas and Sinnarn are going to be particularly annoyed! When you look at things from the Elves' POV, they really did have good reasons for their actions. Of course, so did the Dwarves from their POV.
Sinnarn is making progress with Emmelin, but he may have undone the progress he made with Annael.
Legolas doesn't know which of the purple-hooded dwarves is the mommy, so he's careful not to say because he realizes that might make him look silly (as opposed to just thinking that Hobbit is the dwarves' child--that doesn't make him look silly at all, oh no).
You have to wonder how Legolas got the nerve to go on the quest, really.
Estel_Mi_Olor
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
Great chapter, as usual Daw, but before commenting on this one, I'd like to say something about the previous chapter. You see, after leaving that review, I read some of another person's review, and then I realized that Hobbit was indeed The Hobbit. Of course, I felt pretty stupid, so I decided to comment on it in my next review. But, I was away from my computer, so I could only actually read chapter 8 now, after chapter 9 has already come out. And yes, I am feeling rather foolish...When Hobbit was first introduced I thought "what an odd name for a Dwarf child"...Alright, laugh at me, I deserve it. Now onto the serious stuff...
Legolas is so kind hearted to trust the Dwarves, and worry for the supposed child. I do not picture him or Annael as the angry types, so the Dwarves must have really gotten on their nerves. I can imagine Thranduil's rage at the Dwarves impertinence. It is very comical now, that I realize that Hobbit is Bilbo..., yes please laugh some more.
I am guessing that the trees sound confused because the shadow of Dol Guldor has suddenly been dispelled? Yes, that would be rather confusing, wouldn't it? That means Ithilden will be coming home soon! I am going to re-read that chapter in the Hobbit. Congrats, by the way, on interweaving your interpretation of Tolkien with the real thing. Keep writing!
Author's reply
You aren't the only one who didn't realize who "Hobbit" was, Estel. Especially those who haven't read "The Hobbit" or haven't done so in some time were confused. I was hoping they would find out the truth when Legolas did.
The Dwarves' behavior looks much worse when seen through the eyes of the Elves. And when Balin makes that crack about the spiders being Thranduil's "pets", the king must have really seen red, especially since the Dwarves did stir the spiders up some. The Dwarves were lucky to just land in a cell with good food and drink.
Yes, that's why the trees sound confused. These trees would probably never have known a forest without Sauron because he's been there several hundred years. It would feel strange to them to have him gone.
Manderly
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 9: In the Palace
What a wonderful chapter - it's got a bit of everything. I couldn't quite control my giggles over Sinnarn's exploits. I guess he will think twice before playing with the leaves again. I would have loved to see/hear what was going through Annael's mind when the two finally showed up at the doorstep.
"Hobbit" is causing quite the disturbance, isn't he? Soon the elves will think they are losing their sanity as well as their eyesight. And poor Legolas is still beside himself with concerns over the "missing child".
And the dwarves are just plain funny, especially seen through Sinnarn's eyes. I laughed outloud at the part where Sinnarn said that the dwarf was more polite talking to himself than in addressing the elves.
Really anxious for more of this story. Even though this chapter was relatively light, I could still feel the tension building up - the calm before the storm so to speak.
Author's reply
You KNOW what was going through Annael's mind! It's a good thing that Sinnarn is guarding dwarves these days because riding on a patrol with Annael might be a little awkward.
It was fun trying to guess how "Hobbit" might be sensed in the palace. But poor Legolas. Imagine thinking there's a child out there in the woods. No wonder he thinks the Dwarves are cold hearted.
Whether what happens in the next chapter is good or bad depends on your point of view!
mistry89
· 20 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
Having just read c7 & 8 on the trot, I am still revelling in the "clever to explain it *that* way feeling". The apparent harshness of the treatment of the dwarves by the elves is defendable on the basis of concern for a child (where the dwarves seemingly have no such worries), the disruptions to a very private ceremony, and the bigger picture with the White Council so close .... Thranduil seems downright friendly when you add it all up!
Thank you, I first read Bilbo's version of this when I was eight, and I've waited until now to see what "them upstairs" were up to :)
Author's reply
Thank you, mistry! I am having a lot of fun trying to figure out how all this might have looked to the Elves. And after writing about the spider battles and so on, I could see why Thranduil might get really ticked when a dwarf asks if they're his pets. I doubt if sarcasm goes over well with Thranduil at any time, but this would be even worse.
I don't know how old I was when I read "The Hobbit" for the first time but I still have the same paperback book and its price is marked as 95 cents, so I'm thinking it was a while ago. :-)
mistry89
· 19 June 2004
· Chapter 5: The Wedding Feast
It is lovely to see the tie-in to TH, linking Legolas to the 'shippers and also "explaining' why the elves persisted in that celebration ... I *had* always wondered!
Thank you again for your interpretation and "extension" of ME.
Author's reply
Glad you liked it, mistry. Working out how some of this might have happened has been a real challenge. Why were the elves so intent on keeping the feast secret, for instance? Why not just arrest the Dwarves or ask them what they were doing there? This was the best answer I could come up with.
erunyauve
· 19 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
'“I can do better than that,” Legolas said. “I hereby appoint you head guard. You can pick three other people to share the duty with and work out the schedule.”'
Oh dear, I don't think anyone is going to be pleased with Sinnarn's execution of his duties.
The missing 'dwarf child' is going to be rather frustrating for the elves, I think. I can't imagine that the elves wouldn't sense his presence in the stronghold, but it would probably drive them crazy to be unable to see him.
Author's reply
Poor Sinnarn. He's open minded enough to want to meet the Dwarves and it's all going to go so wrong. Sigh.
Do you think the elves would sense Bilbo? I thought they might miss food and so on, but I don't think they can sense the ring. Even Gandalf didn't seem to do that.
White Wolf
· 18 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
I was actually glad to see that Legolas lost whatever sympathy he had for the dwarves, at least for the moment. He was, after all, raised by someone, who dislikes and distrusts dwarves, so even though he is a very kind-hearted elf, it would be a stretch to think he wouldn't react the way he did, especially in the face of their defiance.
Author's reply
I'm very interested in the points where Legolas accepts his father's judgments and the points where he doesn't. I think adults need to be able to have some sort of independence of mind from their parents, even a parent as wise and powerful as Thranduil. But I think that's hard for the king's sons, for reasons that are obvious. And I think it must be especially hard for Legolas. His father is his only parent, after all. His brother, especially Ithilden, had their mother around longer, which might have given them some balance.
The Karenator
· 18 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
Great chapter, daw! I'm heading out to the woods again in a little while, and I wanted to leave a quick review before I left. So...I stopped by and read a few other reviews that have come in since I last checked. My heart stoppped! What do you mean anyone not in 'A Question of Duty' is fair game? Dadgumit! Now I'm spending my time trying to figure out exactly where all the Thranduilion and the Ithildenion are going to be instead of coming up with what exactly I loved about this installment. SO...here it is: (I know you can hardly wait!) Not everyone can go. The realm cannot be drained of all warrriors. There are still orcs and spiders roaming around and to leave the realm unprotected would invite problems from other enemy sources as well. A lot of unnamed warriors will be with Thranduil and a lot will be still at home. Sinnarn has probably incurred the wrath of his adar and his daeradar. He can be left behind to do something mundane and safe since he has demonstrated a lack of good judgment. (Much to Ithilden's relief and Alfirin's, too.) Ithilden does not have to go either. Someone has to stay in command at home. Thranduil is a warrior and can command from the field. Plus, to have Ithilden along jeopardizes both king and heir. Of course, they don't know there is going to be a war, BUT, I would think continued rule would still be a prudent consideration, and Thranduil is prudent. Anything can go wrong at any time. Eilian is still in the south. (Maltanaur, too.) His job is not over, yet. He's mopping up. We already know Legolas, Beliond, Annael and Amdir are present in Rivendell...they're safe. SO! Everyone is safe!...except the poor unnamed warrriors. Well, Galelas and his lovely brother, Tinar, are available, but where would the fun be in kiling them. We need them around as local nemesis. And the novice masters if they're pressed into active duty are available. (I would think they would serve better at home since they've not been on active duty...unless you consider teaching the art of weapon-wielding to elflings active duty. :>) I would. Have I missed anyone? SO! there you have it...how I will make myself feel better until I return and find out what havoc you have wrecked while I was gone.
Don't you just hate how pushy some of us reviewers are? I mean really. I'm so involved with your OC's that I'm worrying about them and trying to save their necks. I'm trying, daw! I offer my services to travel with Thranduil. My bow and blade are at his command. (The sweet adorable child cannot go. She's far too young, and Elladan needs her.) But be forewarned! I will not die! I have to be here for the rest of the story. You have really outdone yourself this time. Such a wonderful tale!
I look forward to new chapters when I return. Carry on. Karen
Author's reply
Killing characters is always a tough call. I wonder how Tolkien felt about Boromir or Theoden? I expect he was glad when Denethor climbed onto the table and lit the fire.
Have a good time in the mountains, Karen.
Jebb
· 18 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
The apple of his eye indeed but for how much longer?
And poor Legolas is sure to take the major part of the blame for his decision
I can see why he did it having suffered himself from wanting to prove himself an adult while his family seemed determined to keep him safe
Loved the shifting of Legolas and Thranduil's relationships during this chapter from parent and son to king and officer and back again poor Legolas must have trouble keeping up with who he is currently facing!
But Thranduil senses his unease and shows his usual compassion for his son's needs in the garden and that he still vlaues his advice clever king
Those dwarves had better watch out annoying the king bad idea
Author's reply
I think grandchildren get to be the apple of your eye even when they've had Very Bad Things happen on their watch. On the other hand, Ithilden is on his way home. So there's this kind of good news/bad news thing going on. :-)
I'm very interested in Legolas's relationship with his father. Thranduil is such a strong personality that I think it would be complicated in any case, but his role as king makes things even trickier. Legolas is growing up nicely however. He's competent, kind, and responsible. He's capable of being tough when he has to. He's just a little overeager for his father's approval.
Nilmandra
· 18 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
I'll have you know Elladan is chewing a button off my nightgown even as I write this. (Elladan the puppy! not that I would mind the other one, though).
I am torn between feeling really sorry for Sinnarn and seein all of this from the perspective of the elves. Confused dwarves and a change in the forest, alost child.....so much is happening. I'm afraid I would have dumped the dwarves into the cellars too. :D
But poor Legolas, chewed out about all of this, and poor Sinnarn - Chief Guard!
Author's reply
He is absolutely adorable, Nilmandra. I hope he has settled in well.
Thranduil did the right thing, the thing he had to do as ruler. In a way, Legolas can afford to be softhearted because he's not responsible.
Poor Sinnarn indeed. And Ithilden's on his way home.
Anonymous
· 17 June 2004
· Chapter 8: Taking Prisoners
On the question of OCs dying in the Battle of the Five Armies...of course someone will die because we know the battle goes badly at first for the elves and dwarves. But can you imagine the impact of killing Eilian, Ithilden, or Sinnarn? If they die on top of all of Thranduil's other grief in his lifetime? If any of them died in this battle and then Legolas goes on the quest? Especially as it is written in Question of Duty where Legolas goes off in defiance of Thranduil's orders? The death of Legolas' brothers would make Legolas' subsequent actions so much weightier both emotionally and politically. Its frightening really. Poor Thranduil. He was (and still is)originally my favorite character in all of Tolkein's works. I always thought he was the coolest--after all, he protects the largest forest in ME, so near to Mordor and Dol Guldur without a Ring and through a life of what could only be tragedy--we know his father died in battle and his mother and wife had to have something negative happen to them if they are no longer with him. And through all that he raises such a fine son. I certainly dread to see who you decide to kill but you must kill a someone and probably more then one someone. That's what makes it drama. Love this story so far!!
Author's reply
I need to keep consistent with "Question of Duty" and with "The Hobbit" and that's about it, but I've thought about these questions too. They're good ones. :-)